How to remove a gun record from State Police department?

efeng9622

efeng9622

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Today I and my buyer went to a FFL dealer to transfer a gun, they took my gun but didn't give any paper work such as a receipt , I said " you hold my gun , but didn't give me a receipt ?" the dealer said that they didn't buy my gun , only do a title transfer for buyer , if something happened late , only buyer can prove that he bought my gun, we just signed a" sales contract" , Is this document becomes pretty important ?. Right now my question is , I am going to remove my gun record from Maryland police department, can I just use this sales contract to remove the gun record? is it enough?
 
Just my guess but if the "sales contract" shows he is a FFL that over saw your sale to the new owner with documentation(Model of gun, s/n, ect) I would think the SPD would honer it and remove you as the owner. Just a guess.
 
DeepSouth said:
Why not just call the state registration folks and ask them, seems like easiest most reliable way to go.
But I’m in AL, we buy and sell guns like tires, so I admit I really don’t know what I’m talking about.
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right now call State police department is too early, the buyer have to wait about 7 days the pickup the gun, then he will get new title, I will call the MD police after that. but I don't know why some FFL gave the receipt.
 
Sorry, You will always be in the ownership chain of this firearm.
You will always need a receipt for the person you sell your firearm too.
A transfer through your LGS will help, They should give you a receipt for the transfer.
 
In Ca, where everything gun related is documented by the State, you would still be in the chain of ownership in State DOJ files.

It would show you as the owner of the gun if you bought it through an FFL. If you sold it through an FFL, you would be the seller with a new buyer listed as the current owner. (No private sales here, all legal gun sales go through a FFL.)

Stay safe.
 
Applying for my NJ ccw I was emailed by lieutenant to verify what pistols I still own. And what I don't. After checking with my friend who is chief in another twp. He said they are looking to update their database. Now I'm talking pistols that go back to 1989. They are not supposed keep that info but had it. On the list was guns I transferred legally when you can do so between private parties..nothing gets removed at least in NJ.
 
My LGS/FFL handles a transfer from one party to mother this way. After the buyer passés rage NUCS check, they photocopy the buyer hs seller drivers licenses then they prepare document that indicates that the seller transferred ownership of the gun on th on the date/time. Buyer and seller have to sign it. LGS keeps original attached to 4473. Buyer and seller get photocopies. Very clean record for transfer and proof of sale.
 
When I sell a gun through a FFL, there is no "record" paperwork for me. I write up a "memo for record" which says the gun was transferred (through FFL number and name) on the specific date and file it with my copy of the Bill of Sale.

I think you are asking if you can make a change to the records of the Police to show that you no longer own the gun. The Bill of Sale and the above mentioned Memo for Record should be enough to do that. Or just ask them what documentation they want. As someone noted, if the gun shows up at a crime scene or whatever, you might get an enquiry from the Police (or ATF) about your ownership, and you would show them the Bill of Sale and the Memo for Record -- they can go check the FFL records to verify -- and you would not be involved thereafter.

By the way, I keep all records related to guns in a password protected .docx document in my computer. All Bills of Sale, purchase orders, FFL documents, etc., are scanned and placed in that file, under a password. I keep a backup on a Passport 1TB hard drive.
 
Seems like the FFL and the Maryland State Police would much better be able to answer these questions with regards to how your state laws regarding firearms transactions work...why not ask them?
 
In Virginia, the only things that are registered with the state (the State Police) are machine guns. A few years ago, they sent me a printout of what was shown in their records, as supposedly being owned by me. It was wildly inaccurate. I sent back a list of corrections, but there is no assurance that the records were properly updated. This is a problem with all such registries. The federal records are probably equally a mess, but they won't admit it.
 
Lists get updated but typically once something goes on a government document it's there forever.
 
I live in a state where an FFL is not required to transfer a gun to another resident.

When I sell a gun, I make up two bills of sale. In addition to the buyer getting one, I have them sign my copy that they received it, with the date and time.

Once bureaucracies gain information, they never give it up. Even supposedly “sealed records” are always accessible.
 
I already sold the gun, we done. we signed a sale contract, the buyer sent me an email to prove that he already own the gun after 7 days.
I called police twice and sent email to them, but still can't find someone handle this. maybe " remove record " is impossible.
do I have to leave it alone ?
 
tommy.duncan said:
Sorry, You will always be in the ownership chain of this firearm.
You will always need a receipt for the person you sell your firearm too.
A transfer through your LGS will help, They should give you a receipt for the transfer.
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I asked FFL a receipt, but he refused , he said he only do transfer for us, not buy a gun from me, that is no any document can be issued, he only has the buyer's r77 record that can't give to me.
now I have the sale contract and buyer confirmation email but just has no FFL receipt , Can this cause any problem late?
 
Ks5shooter said:
Applying for my NJ ccw I was emailed by lieutenant to verify what pistols I still own. And what I don't. After checking with my friend who is chief in another twp. He said they are looking to update their database. Now I'm talking pistols that go back to 1989. They are not supposed keep that info but had it. On the list was guns I transferred legally when you can do so between private parties..nothing gets removed at least in NJ.
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NJ has maintained a registry of handguns since 1966. If you sold a handgun to another resident, even in a private sale, they were required to have a purchase permit and you, as the seller, were required to send a copy of that permit to both the PD that issued the permit and to the State Police to document thew transfer. I no longer live there, but I understand that all transfers, now, must go through an FFL for a NICS background, but the copies still must be sent to update the record.
 
efeng9622 said:
I asked FFL a receipt, but he refused , he said he only do transfer for us, not buy a gun from me, that is no any document can be issued
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This can be different between FFL's.
My LGS fills out a transfer receipt with the firearm info, It gets logged into the bound book, then the buyer fills out the Va State form and the 4473.

Once a "approved" is received the buyer in now able to take his firearm. We retain possession of the firearm until an approval is received.
We make a copy of the transfer form, The original goes with the paperwork and the copy is given to the seller for his records.
 
The last four states I live/lived in are VA, PA, TX, and AZ. They did not require any paperwork when selling or transferring a firearm to another resident. I hear PA changed that now.
 
Riomouse911 said:
In Ca, where everything gun related is documented by the State, you would still be in the chain of ownership in State DOJ files.

It would show you as the owner of the gun if you bought it through an FFL. If you sold it through an FFL, you would be the seller with a new buyer listed as the current owner. (No private sales here, all legal gun sales go through a FFL.)

Stay safe.
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That's how it works here. All the state needs to do is look at their records as they have a form similar to a 4473. If that firearm shows up in a crime it may have been mine at some point, but the FFL and the state have a record of a transfer.

My advice to anyone selling a firearm is to use a dealer (FFL) to transfer. I started doing that long before the UBC became law here.

With the passage of the latest AG legislation here, many dealers here have gone out of business, so it's becoming increasingly difficult to find one.
 
efeng9622 said:
I asked FFL a receipt, but he refused , he said he only do transfer for us, not buy a gun from me, that is no any document can be issued, he only has the buyer's r77 record that can't give to me.
now I have the sale contract and buyer confirmation email but just has no FFL receipt , Can this cause any problem late?
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If you paid the FFL a fee for the transfer, I would get a receipt for that fee and staple it to the sales contract.

Other than that, it looks like you have done just about all you can. :thumbup:

Stay safe.
 
What is the concern here? Is it that the gun shows up at a crime scene and you get arrested for the crime?

Atleast 40% of the guns I legally own are untraceable. Private transfers, a dealer that had there FFL pulled for not keeping appropriate records, home built guns, etc.

As long as I followed the law at the time I acquired the weapon I don't worry about it. Of course I can name the 4 guns I have sold over the past 35 years and can name who they went to off the top off my head if I has to.
 
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