How to remove a roll pin?

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I bought my wife a S&W M&P15-22 and the stock won't collapse. After having a few people look it over we discovered it is probably a California model and has a roll pin keeping the stock fully extended. I don't want to drive it in and have it rattle but am at a loss as how to get it out. Any ideas?
 
Only way is to drive it out. If that means driving it IN and then pulling your buffer to dump it out of the buffer tube, the job is still a 10min gig.
 
They sell special roll pin punches that have a raised tip to locate in the center of the pin. But you probably don't care if the pin gets bunged up.
 
Location says "near Nashville"...

But any AWB type fixed fake collapsible I've ever seen is very solid (probably more than a roll pin holding it in place) and also didn't have a normal buffer tube at all.

Post some pictures... I'm guessing there is a strong possibility you will need to replace the entire stock assembly.
 
My S&W M&P 10 had a simple roll pin in the stock only if memory serves me it was pinned through the adjustment lever.

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Strangely enough you can get roll pin punches at one of the auto parts chains. They came in just a few months back and are on the display. Mayhew Pilot Punches #62882 $24.99 This chain has 4,400 stores in 45 states.

Otherwise it's a specialty supplier likely on the internet and shipping, too.
 
Here is the offending bugger. I started to drill it out but stopped because I wasn't sure what else was in the area.
 

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Drive it out from the opposite side. If it falls inside, dump it out from the inside. Not a big deal.

Drilling it and getting it buggered the way it is now is definitely NOT the right way.
 
It only goes through one side, if it went all the way through I'd have been able to hopefully figure it out on my own. Probably, with a little help. :)
 
You can buy special roll pin punch sets via Amazon or if you have a Harbor Freight tool store, you can get a set. Both are around twenty dollars. If you have a full size Sears, they also carry them in hardware but not sure about the price. Expect to pay a bit more if it carries the Craftsman label bc of the guarantee.

If you are very careful, sometimes a starter punch (tapered body) of the right size can push the roll pin out far enough to grab it with some vise lock pliers and then pull it on through the other side if you can get access to it. Use a bit of penetrating oil if necessary around the perimeter (Kroil works well).
 
I'm going to have to pull it out as the hole does not go through. Guess I'll need something to fit through it with a hook on it. Hmmmmm.
 
Find a self tapping sheet metal screw of the appropriate size, screw it into the hole. Pull screw out with a claw hammer, using a piece of wood or something to avoid marring the finish of the gun. Hopefully the pin comes with it.
 
What you're trying to do is remove a hardened steel roll pin from a blind hole. It was made that way so you couldn't. Though in principle the screw idea seems like it would work, but I don't think you will find a sheet metal screw which is hard enough to cut into the roll pin metal, and if it does, it will expand the roll pin and make it tighter than it is.

The first thing you need to do is figure out how deep the "blind hole" is. Start by measuring the depth with a heavy needle or a piece of wire which will fit in the hole of the roll pin, mark the wire with a piece of tape or a clamping device at the edge of the stock. If you're lucky, it has been drill through the key and all that is required is to remove the plastic on the far side of the stock. If it is through the key, heat the point of the pin red hot and push if through to the outside of the stock, making a pilot hole. You might have to reheat the pin several times. If the key is not drilled through, then you will need a drill bit which fits in the center hole of the roll pin and drill it through the the outside of the stock. Once the pilot hole is established, using a drill bit the size of the original hole, drill out the "off side" to access the end of the roll pin. Tap out the roll pin.
 
Have you tried pulling up on the lever? Maybe a stupid question. Looking at the picture, at the top of the pic, as it is seen here, pull up gently on the angled part of the lever. It should release the stock, then push toward the receiver and it should collapse. If you are doing this already, I would contact S&W and get some help.
 
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I would still like to see a picture of the entire underside of the stock assembly. I may be dense but I don't think there's enough information in that picture to determine what you are working with.
 
I might have missed something, but that looks like a normal M4 stock. Depress the lever and it should slide.
 
Roll pin punches are invaluable, most especially for small roll pins. Larger roll pins are much easier to make-do with a simple substitute.

But small roll pins? Get the roll pin punch of the right size and tap it out properly. Trying to make-do with a homemade substitute will likely lead to aggravation and some amount of damage.
 
I love how many posters just read you thread title and answer that, not fully understanding what you want to do or what others have posted, LOL.

If it were me, I would spend a few dollars and get a different stock. You might have to irreparably damage the old one getting it off. Heck, it might be easier on you to go that route, rather than trying to save it. You would only be out about $30 to buy a good aftermarket stock if the tube is a standard carbine adjustable tube. Hopefully you can find those paint colors and paint the new one to match.



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I have removed them by tapping the roll pin with an appropriate sized tap and then running a screw through a socket to make a small puller. Use a tap that doesn't take a lot of material and use some tapping fluid and go easy or you will have a broken tap to deal with.
 
You're right on all counts but missed the picture. This is his WIFE'S GUN and I don't think he can buy a replacement stock in the PURPLE PHANTOM camo (?) pattern. That is at least a 1 carat mistake! LOL
 
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