How to ship a gun to another state's FFL?

Can I get more selling chance in gunbroker than in private sale?
Possibly.
Most elegant and least expensive way would be to use the Trading Post here on THR.
Being on THR, you weed out a lot of less-desirable buyers, too.

Now, here in the Trading Post you will need to set your preferred selling price. You can then quote your expected shipping price (note that in-state private sale may not require shipping, if MD law permits that). You have a pretty good expectation that going to your FFL and sending to another is in the US$60-75 range. You can put that in your ad here.

You can put your expected shipping price in a GB ad, too (you may need to kick the GB software around a bit). Remember that GB is not going to receive nor reship your item. They just provide the hosting for the sale, and any bidding on the price that occurs.

Remember that bidding only "works" if one of two things is true. One, the item is significantly rare. Or, Two, if the price point is perceived to be low enough. (That latter is why the penny/dollar bid pricing exists--but, there's no promise that the last bid will be as high as your asking price.)
 
I just called a local dealer , he said if shipping a handgun, the fee will be $60 plus insurance , i think this is expensive ,
Then call another dealer.
I charge actual postage, insurance, adult signature + $10 to ship a handgun that fits in a USPS Medium Flat Rate Box.
Example: a handgun valued at $1000 is $54 total.



In Gunbroker ,seller never promises to pay some shipping charge. only asks buyer to pay $30-$45.
Understand that what a seller on Gun/broker may charge the buyer may not be the actual cost of shipping. Some sellers ship "free".....but you can bet that shipping isn't free, the buyer is paying for it in the price of the gun.
High volume sellers are also high volume shippers, and get a discounted commercial rate from UPS/FedEx/USPS.


besides, I called UPS several days ago, I told the rep. I am an individual want to ship a handgun, she just asked me to do the form online and drop down the box in facility , didn' t say you can't do that and only FFL can do.
I have a bit skeptical that UPS is actually refusing to ship guns to individuals, and if so, I'm going to give up selling guns on Gunbroker, because it is not worth to do that.
You can be skeptical or you can read it for yourself.;)
UPS: https://www.ups.com/us/en/support/s...egulated-items/prohibited-items/firearms.page
FedEx: https://www.fedex.com/en-us/service-guide.html

All of this is covered in the "How to ship firearms" sticky at the top of this subforum.
 
I believe it’s some kind of state law thing, so e ffl just don’t receive firearms from private individuals while in the same state some don’t give a ****e. They just run a background check in the serial number to make sure it’s not stolen or a crime gun.
 
I believe it’s some kind of state law thing, so e ffl just don’t receive firearms from private individuals while in the same state some don’t give a ****e. They just run a background check in the serial number to make sure it’s not stolen or a crime gun.
No FFL anywhere in the USA runs a background check on a gun.
A background check is performed on the buyer, not their gun.
Currently, only LE on official business has access to the FBI NCIC to check on a stolen gun.
 
No FFL anywhere in the USA runs a background check on a gun.
A background check is performed on the buyer, not their gun.
Currently, only LE on official business has access to the FBI NCIC to check on a stolen gun.
Then why do some FFL’s refuse to receive firearms from private individuals while in the same state there are other FFL that have no issues with it ?
 
Then why do some FFL’s refuse to receive firearms from private individuals while in the same state there are other FFL that have no issues with it ?
Personal preference.

My favorite FFL will receive from a non FFL. The previous FFL I used until he moved to Utah, would not.

Stay safe.
 
Then why do some FFL’s refuse to receive firearms from private individuals while in the same state there are other FFL that have no issues with it ?
1. Ignorance. Believe it or not, but some gun dealers believe its illegal...even though they would gladly buy that same gun if the seller walked into their shop.
2. Compliance. ATF regs require the receiving dealer to record the name and address of the person they acquire the firearm from. The easiest means is having the seller include a copy of their drivers license. Apparently thats too difficult for some people. That becomes a problem when a gun arrives without any information inside on seller and often none on the transferee. Thats annoying.

#1......you can't fix stupid.
#2.....is the fault of sellers. If you cannot abide by the receiving dealers policies then don't ship a gun to them.
 
All of the latest shipping policies by these shippers has led me down the consignment route. I get what I want out of the sale and my LGS gets his cut. I don't have to deal with tire kickers, collecting money or shipping. Many times I leave my take of the sale on account at the shop. This way when I buy something else I pay no tax on it since that cash has already been taxed. ymmv
 
All of the latest shipping policies by these shippers has led me down the consignment route. I get what I want out of the sale and my LGS gets his cut. I don't have to deal with tire kickers, collecting money or shipping. Many times I leave my take of the sale on account at the shop. This way when I buy something else I pay no tax on it since that cash has already been taxed. ymmv
What state has this tax law?
 
I would recommend that the original poster, efeng9622, have a friend, co-worker, employee or relative read all of their written email communications before sending each one.

Your current writing skills deficiencies make it very difficult to understand what you are asking or trying to explain.

Finally, the ATF follows very limited window before they consider someone selling guns should be licensed as an FFL, and initiates law enforcement actions for being unlicensed. This forum thread alone would seem to indicate that you may be planning to sell guns as a business.
 
What state has this tax law?
Texas, same state as you. I just go by what my LGS tells me and they have been in business for years and years. According to them he collected tax on the item he sold for me. If I just leave it on account and then buy something else I pay no tax using that money on account cause tax was collected on it already...
 
Er, no.
Per TITLE 34, PART 1, CHAPTER 3 TAX ADMINISTRATION, SUBCHAPTER O
RULE §3.302 Accounting Methods, Credit Sales, Bad Debt Deductions, Repossessions, Interest on Sales Tax, and Trade-Ins

From Definitions:
(7) Trade-in--Tangible personal property taken by a seller as all or a part of the consideration for the sale of a taxable item when the property is of a type normally sold by the seller in the regular course of business, and the seller separately states the value of the property to the purchaser by means of an invoice, billing, sales slip, ticket, or contract.

(b) Accounting methods.
(1) Reporting sales and use tax. For sales and use tax purposes, retailers may use a cash basis, an accrual basis, or any generally recognized accounting basis that accurately reflects the operation of their business. A retailer who wants to use an accounting method to report tax that is not on a pure cash or accrual basis or that is not a generally recognized accounting method must obtain prior written approval from the comptroller.

(2) Reporting sales and use tax on rentals and leases. Paragraph (1) of this subsection does not apply to the reporting of sales and use tax on rentals and leases of tangible personal property. See §3.294 of this title (relating to Rental and Lease of Tangible Personal Property) for the accounting of rentals and leases.

(c) Credit sales.
(1) Service charges. Sales and use tax is due on insurance, interest, finance and carrying charges, and all other service charges incurred as a part of
a credit sale unless these charges are stated separately to the purchaser by such means as an invoice, billing, sales slip or ticket, or contract.
(2) Accounting methods. Except as provided by paragraph (D), sales and use tax must be reported on a credit sale based upon the accounting
method that the retailer uses for its regular books and records.
(A) Accrual basis. If a retailer uses an accrual basis of accounting for sales and use tax purposes, the entire amount of sales and use tax is due and
must be reported in the reporting period in which the sale occurs.
(B) Cash basis. If a retailer uses a cash basis of accounting for sales and use tax purposes, the payment received from the purchaser includes a
proportionate amount of sales and use tax, sales price, and may include finance charges. Sales and use tax is due and must be reported in the
reporting period in which the payment is received based upon the cash collected, excluding separately stated insurance, interest, or finance and
carrying charges.
(C) Modified basis. If a retailer uses an accounting method that is not a pure cash or accrual basis, sales and use tax must be reported in a
consistent manner that accurately reflects the realization of income from the credit sales on the retailer's books and records. The retailer must
obtain prior written approval from the comptroller to use an accounting method that is not a generally recognized method.
(D) Cash basis reporting option. A retailer who uses the accrual basis of accounting for its books and records may elect to use the cash basis of
accounting for sales and use tax reporting purposes as long as the retailer reports the tax in a manner that accurately reflects the realization of
income from cash and credit sales on the retailer's books and records. A change from the accrual basis to the cash basis for reporting sales and
use tax is prospective only, and the retailer must establish a procedure to accurately account for sales and use tax received from purchasers
during the transition period.
(3) Transfer or sale of sales contracts and accounts receivable. At the time a retailer sells, factors, or assigns to a third party the retailer's right to
receive all payments due under a credit sale, the unpaid sales and use tax on all remaining payments becomes due immediately. The retailer is
responsible for reporting all remaining sales and use tax due on a credit sale to the comptroller in the reporting period in which the contract or
receivable is sold, factored, or assigned. No reduction in the amount of sales and use tax to be reported and paid by the retailer is allowed if the
transfer to the third party is for a discounted amount. This paragraph does not apply to a retailer's assignment or pledge of contracts or accounts
receivable to a third party as loan collateral.
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Sales Tax collection follows rules set down in State Law, and the Comptroller's office is passing picky about those rules.

If you consign a firearm, you are not paying Sales Tax; the purchaser of that item pays the Retail Sales Tax. (The owner of the LGS might negotiate the sale price down if his profits will "pay" the Sales Tax owed--but, that's at his discretion.
See A-D above for how retailers account for various fees beyond the reported retail sale price.
 
Texas, same state as you. I just go by what my LGS tells me and they have been in business for years and years. According to them he collected tax on the item he sold for me. If I just leave it on account and then buy something else I pay no tax using that money on account cause tax was collected on it already...
Your LGS may have been in business for years and years, but his understanding of sales tax collection is flawed. Sales tax wasn't collected on the money in your store account, but on the actual sale of the consigned firearm.

Your dealer doesn't understand sales tax collection.

An explanation:
You buy a gun from a gun dealer, he collects sales tax from you.
Two years later, you consign it to him, he sells it and collects sales tax from the buyer.
Gun dealer hands you cash, puts it into your "account", gives you store credit, whatever.......if you buy another firearm from him he is REQUIRED to collect TX sales tax on that new sale.

This ain't new, its been that way for decades.
 
It wasn't a trade, he sold it on consignment. Any $$$$ in his "account" have nothing to do with paying sales tax on a future purchase.
I'm not arguing the ethics or legality of it, just saying what happened.
Plenty of business play games to avoid sales tax even if they're not 100% legal.
 
OK...I'm not gonna argue right or wrong and I'm not going to argue with the owner. It's his business he has to file taxes etc so if audited he will have to explain. Have a great day...
 
I would recommend that the original poster, efeng9622, have a friend, co-worker, employee or relative read all of their written email communications before sending each one.
Your current writing skills deficiencies make it very difficult to understand what you are asking or trying to explain.
Sir, I am sorry but if you can tell me where the message I wrote made you so difficult to understand , i will very appreciate.
I am not able to find someone who have time to read my messages everyday.
 
hello efeng9622. why not consider: https://www.shipmygun.com/go/

otherwise, please look for another ffl who may offer better terms for your needs: https://www.gunbroker.com/ffl/index; https://www.midwayusa.com/ffl-near-me; https://www.gunsamerica.com/FFLSearch.htm; https://www.budsgunshop.com/ffl.php

it will take some time to find your best ffl but you should have several choices in any area. some ffl are home-based and may be more accommodating in services and price than a large store. please do understand and follow the law, which is indeed complicated.

if you are new (to america, to firearms, to this forum) welcome.
 
hello efeng9622. why not consider: https://www.shipmygun.com/go/

otherwise, please look for another ffl who may offer better terms for your needs: https://www.gunbroker.com/ffl/index; https://www.midwayusa.com/ffl-near-me; https://www.gunsamerica.com/FFLSearch.htm; https://www.budsgunshop.com/ffl.php

it will take some time to find your best ffl but you should have several choices in any area. some ffl are home-based and may be more accommodating in services and price than a large store. please do understand and follow the law, which is indeed complicated.

if you are new (to america, to firearms, to this forum) welcome.

Hello, jstert, I am appreciated that you and all here people who gave me great help, I am not new to America but English is not my first language, so I feel pressure. I will keep your link to search . Thank you very much.
 
Hello, jstert, I am appreciated that you and all here people who gave me great help, I am not new to America but English is not my first language, so I feel pressure. I will keep your link to search . Thank you very much.
Just for the record, I don't think anyone in this thread is complaining about your English skills. They're certainly better than my foreign language skills (and yes, despite being an American, I do have some ;) ). I do think there's some concern that you might miss something, and none of us wants to see you mess up and run afoul of the law because of a simple misunderstanding.
 
Just for the record, I don't think anyone in this thread is complaining about your English skills. They're certainly better than my foreign language skills (and yes, despite being an American, I do have some ;) ). I do think there's some concern that you might miss something, and none of us wants to see you mess up and run afoul of the law because of a simple misunderstanding.

Right now , I only posted this gun on Gunbroker until July 21, if someone wants it but his state has the limit for magazine , I have to use a ffl to ship this gun ( without magazine) to his ffl . if he is no longer want it or no one want it , I will try to sale it to a Virginia FFL on July 22 a gun show. of course the price should be low. because I am not sure that I sale the gun without magazine to a Maryland ffl will be accepted.

Thank you very much!
 
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You can ship through UPS using shipmygun dot com, which is owned by Buds Gun Shop. They have a contract with UPS, and when you get the .pdf of your shipping label to print, you also get .pdf's to print out of two letters on UPS letterhead from a UPS executive addressed to the UPS counter employees telling them that the shipment is to be accepted, it is fully within UPS rules; and the exec who wrote that includes his direct phone number, with instructions for the counter people to call him if they have any doubts or concerns.

Shipmygun maintains a list of FFL's, so they already have those on file. The FFL will not refuse the shipment.

The sticky needs to be updated.
 
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