How to tell between laquer and polymer coated Wolf ammo?
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musick
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Top is polymer. Bottom is lacquer:
Nugilum
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I must have missed something...
What's the necessity of knowing lacquer vs. polymer?
What's the necessity of knowing lacquer vs. polymer?
musick
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Cheers Mate! And welcome to the forums.
musick
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musick
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Fixed.
Still quite a bit of the lacquer ammo to be found:
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=135810399
Shadow 7D
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You can "sticky-bolt" syndrome, with the eventual result of having to extract a case from the chamber that has the bottom torn off by the extractor.
Supposedly the lacquer melts and glues the case into the chamber, or is effected by the gasses and turns into a type of superglue. Not really a problem with guns that are cleaned regularly, or have loose tolerances, but can really turn a day at the range in to a bad day if you don't clean your guns etc.
Supposedly the lacquer melts and glues the case into the chamber, or is effected by the gasses and turns into a type of superglue. Not really a problem with guns that are cleaned regularly, or have loose tolerances, but can really turn a day at the range in to a bad day if you don't clean your guns etc.
I have asked many people with ARs, AKs and SKS and they all have used polymer/lacquer coated wold ammo with no problems...I haven't heard one case of this sticky bolt before?
Maybe someone was rapid firing and the gun got really hot and might have been really dirty?
Maybe someone was rapid firing and the gun got really hot and might have been really dirty?
ThrottleJockey72
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I once had some cheap chinese stuff with brown "paint" on it. It looked like a really thin coat of truck bed liner. That stuff gummed up an action something terrible.
The reason I ask is because of hearing through www.theboxotruth.com, after firing wolf through an AR, and then switching to brass cases, the brass would get stuck. It was an older post on the box o truth so I assume he was talking laquer coated. Ever since I've read his article I've wondered how to tell the difference. Thanks for everyone's help.
Shadow 7D
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Look up Mosin-Nagants, especially the reworked fins with tighter tolerances can develop it if not cleaned properly, it's cured with using a chamber brush with a good solvent. It also occurs on other rifles that can use russian or surplus lacquer coated ammo, but the loose tolerances of the battle rifles mean that it almost never happens to them.
TexasRifleman
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The lacquer covered stuff had issues in some firearms according to many shooters. At high temperatures the lacquer would sometimes melt off the case and make a real mess, especially when shooting brass case ammo afterwards.
The polymer coating has not had this problem reported.
ETA:
Happened to me with an AR, can't remember the maker.
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The Lone Haranguer
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The stuck lacquered case happened to me, in a Ruger Mini-14 I once owned.
musick
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Musick
Good fix, that is a more accurate statement. You were pretty fast on the draw with that photo back there, nice work.
Cheers mate! You know the old saying, "A pic is worth a thousand words" and makes the difference quite clear IMO.
Glad you didnt take it in a bad way since it was not intended as such.
I had a Wolf polymer round jam in my AR about 3 months ago. It took the range staff 30 minutes to clear it. The concern was whether or not it was a live shell. Luckily it wasn't. The ammo and weapon are stored in a cool space and I was only into the second mag when it happened, and there was some pistol time between mags. Go figure....
musick
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To the OP - What caliber Wolf are you looking at? My understanding is a lot of complaints about Wolf are from AR owners. I would attribute this to the tighter tolerences of the platform when compared to the AK.
I have only shot the lacquer Wolf in my AK and Glock but have never had any problems with the 7.62 and 9mm stuff. Never a FTF or FT-fire in either firearm, both consuming well over 6K rounds each.
persing
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I have had two poly cases jam in my AR15 I had my hand rod and poped it out with ease. Chamber was dirty, my fault.
I have some of the laquer steel recently from cheaper than gold and it shoots fine clean the gun and oil it and your good to go.Extractor's have been known to be weak. May have been my problem.
KP
I have had two poly cases jam in my AR15 I had my hand rod and poped it out with ease. Chamber was dirty, my fault.
I have some of the laquer steel recently from cheaper than gold and it shoots fine clean the gun and oil it and your good to go.Extractor's have been known to be weak. May have been my problem.
KP
I don't think the problem with stuck cases with steel ammo like Wolf is because of the lacquer. Its because the steel doesn't expand as well as brass so the chamber get dirtier and that can lead to slightly out of spec cases getting stuck. I've had cases get stuck in my AK and after forcing it out was able to continue firing ammo from the same box. If the problem was sticky lacquer in the chamber the other rounds would have gotten stuck as well. I saw an old post where someone heated up a lacquer case with a blow torch and nothing melted off.
TexasRifleman
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With the new polymer I've never had a single problem where with the old stuff I did and I don't read much about problems anymore either.
Something changed it seems.
dogtown tom
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BINGO!!!!
It's not the lacquer coating that causes somes guns to have problems, it's the steel case. The steel case being a bit less flexible than brass, allows more carbon buildup to flow around the case mouth than a brass case would. This might cause problems on extraction.
I've shot thousands of rounds of lacquer and polymer coated steel cased Wolf through my AR wiith no problems. I do, however notice more crud in the chamber than when I shoot brass cased .223 ammo.
Go to AR15.com this question comes up once a week over there.
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