Skylerbone
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I'm not the least bit upset. I clarified for you that I was indeed aware of the facts. No need to continue hashing things out on another's thread lest we both receive a reading lesson from the Mods on forum rules.
How to tell if SA 1911 is US or not?
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TexasPatriot.308
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a 1911 is a 1911, you either love em or hate em. for some strange reason they been around 100 years....got to be a reason....I love em. they will be around when the others are gone.
Ash
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When my friends were earning $3.00 per hour flipping burgers, I was making $10.50, plus overtime, plus double time on Sunday. I was pushing a broom for three times what my friends earned - plus I got 40 hours a week. The union rep kept telling me how bad I had it. I never understood that.
I was not concerned one way or the other unless SA had US-made pistols that were worth more, and if this pistol was one of those, and if it was a good deal one way or the other.
I was not concerned one way or the other unless SA had US-made pistols that were worth more, and if this pistol was one of those, and if it was a good deal one way or the other.
Skylerbone
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Ash, for a good condition used Springer (and I don't care for them myself) $400 would be a solid buy.
Springfield has a number of lines of 1911s that receive differing amounts of work here in the States. Some are packaged and shipped out, some have internals fit here and others like the TRP have the final milling and mating as well as internals fitted here.
The perceived value is greater than that of the Brazilian fitted Springfield to a good number of SA owners. Whether it truly is more valuable is debatable. Still, I'd be forced to part with $400 though I have certain reservations about Springfields which I prefer to keep to myself about.
I try to buy US made goods if a suitable item exists but in the case of Imbel I would be hard pressed to cite further reasoning for not buying.
Springfield has a number of lines of 1911s that receive differing amounts of work here in the States. Some are packaged and shipped out, some have internals fit here and others like the TRP have the final milling and mating as well as internals fitted here.
The perceived value is greater than that of the Brazilian fitted Springfield to a good number of SA owners. Whether it truly is more valuable is debatable. Still, I'd be forced to part with $400 though I have certain reservations about Springfields which I prefer to keep to myself about.
I try to buy US made goods if a suitable item exists but in the case of Imbel I would be hard pressed to cite further reasoning for not buying.
Jim Watson
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Point of origin discussions aside, I think $400 is a good price for a SA in excellent condition. I would want to make sure it really was in excellent condition. Arrange a testfire if a private sale or a money back guarantee if a store.
tipoc
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Maybe I'm mistaken but I thought that the frames for Springfield guns were made in Brazil at the very experienced Imbel plant with some of the machining on some frames done there. The frames are then brought to Genesco where final machining, finishing and assembly are done. Am I mistaken about that?
This cost saving measures were one of the things that catapulted Springfield to one of the top firearms manufacturers in the U.S. Their Croation made guns also helped do that.
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This cost saving measures were one of the things that catapulted Springfield to one of the top firearms manufacturers in the U.S. Their Croation made guns also helped do that.
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Jim Watson
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The higher end guns are done that way.
The basic models are made in Brazil and all they do in Genesco is open the crate.
The basic models are made in Brazil and all they do in Genesco is open the crate.
Ash
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IMBEL makes good stuff, that is sure.
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Double Vision
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I really like the SA 1911s, but I won't buy one - or any firearm - if it carries a marking that it is made anywhere but the USA. That's just me.
Toforo
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Define please - it appears that you're saying that every part, piece, and item of the Ruger (1911) is made, manufactured, and originated from right here in the USA....
Double Vision
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Ruger claims the SR1911 is 100% Made in USA...
From Ruger.com...
firemanstrickland
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skylerbone, your idea of cheap is different from mine
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rellascout
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NM mark is hype. Same low end 1911 with non-traditionally spec grip radius. LOL
Really on the forgings come from Imbel and are then assembled one place or another.
Really on the forgings come from Imbel and are then assembled one place or another.
Skylerbone
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I don't recall the word cheap being used in any of my posts.
Toforo
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Well - give Ruger customer service a call and they'll tell you the grip-screw bushings come from the factory "fixed" with "Loctite® Threadlocker Red 271™" -
- which is manufactured by "Henkel International" a German company based and headquartered in Düsseldorf Germany
http://www.henkel.com/index.htm
Yup - only one small thing (at least one)
The SR1911 - the AMERICAN MADE 1911 (true) -
- but every part, piece and item in it's entirety?
No.
tipoc
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Ain't this a bit of a stretch?
Maybe I can top it...
I heard that the Ruger plant is powered by electricity that is generated by an electric plant that is fueled by natural gas from Canada. Thus Ruger lies and the guns are not "100% American". How's that one?
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Double Vision
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My tubes of Loctite 271 are Made in USA.
Toforo
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Yup, and it doesn't change the fact that the company is owned by a german company
and my girlfriend's Toyota is "Made in the USA" as well
(but it's not an american car)
If "American Made - Made in the USA" was all that important to Ruger, why didn't they use an adhesive by 3M or some other american company?
Welcome to the (not so) new "The Global Economy"
The rules and definitions for "American Made" "Made in the USA" - etc, have been changed (or as someone said "stretched" )
They've been changed (sorry, stretched) by standards and definitions set forth by the U.S. Government.
The Government changed (dang, my bad -STRETCHED) them at the request of companies both foreign and domestic (through Political Action Committees/PACS) corporate political donations, etc to further profits through outsourcing and the import/export of cheaper/lower-priced goods.
You've been MARKETED.
Skylerbone
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At least we're not talking about Chevys made in Mexico or Fords made in Canada. We've gotten lost with regards to the question which is whether or not $400 for the pistol in question is a "good" buy.
I wonder if Italians lament the fact that Ferrari isn't made in the USA. Plenty of other countries take pride in the products they produce, not all, but time and word of mouth sort them out. Sub-contracting happens and if the end results were not up to snuff SA would have swapped suppliers long ago.
I wonder if Italians lament the fact that Ferrari isn't made in the USA. Plenty of other countries take pride in the products they produce, not all, but time and word of mouth sort them out. Sub-contracting happens and if the end results were not up to snuff SA would have swapped suppliers long ago.
firemanstrickland
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I am sorry. affordable. you used the term affordable like cheap. personally, that is in no way even close to the definition of a colt in my eyes. i do apologize for my mistake, the leather on my boot does not taste very good.
Skylerbone
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I don't mean to use terms in a backhanded way. Affordable is indeed a relative term but when one considers a product that will likely outlast the owner for a starting price of say $750 it's practically a steal. I've. Had my 1100 for 25 years. At $380 new that's $15.20 a year so far for a shotgun that still serves me well and is still worth as much as I paid for it were I to sell it tomorrow.
In absolute terms even a well to do man ought not trivialize such an amount but I enjoy the ones I have and I spend more than that a year on reloading supplies. Everyone has different priorities.
In absolute terms even a well to do man ought not trivialize such an amount but I enjoy the ones I have and I spend more than that a year on reloading supplies. Everyone has different priorities.
The people of the Philippines have always been our allies. Many of them died fighting the Japanese along with American soldiers during WW-2. Many helped hide and keep escaped American soldiers alive during the war.
They make some reasonably priced 1911's. I wouldn't say any that I've owned or handled were particularly well made.
As far as I know no SA guns are made in the USA. Some are assembled here from parts made in both Brazil and the US.
jaysouth
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Toll free phone call.
End BS at the speed of light. Call the Custom shop and get it straight from the horse's mouth. (Don't tell her I used that term)
800 617-6751
End BS at the speed of light. Call the Custom shop and get it straight from the horse's mouth. (Don't tell her I used that term)
800 617-6751
rellascout
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Don't bother calling the OPs question was answered long ago...
http://forum.m1911.org/showthread.php?t=49574
This comes straight from Deb/Vicky at Springfield... if > 50% of the work is done on one of their pistols in Brazil, then somewhere on that pistol it will be marked "Brazil". Should > 50% be done in Geneseo, IL, then it does not require a "Brazil" marking.
http://forum.m1911.org/showthread.php?t=49574
This comes straight from Deb/Vicky at Springfield... if > 50% of the work is done on one of their pistols in Brazil, then somewhere on that pistol it will be marked "Brazil". Should > 50% be done in Geneseo, IL, then it does not require a "Brazil" marking.
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