How would you navigate this situation?... RE no firearms in bars

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yup...tough to obey all the laws all the time.

If you are uncomfortable in the situation, then explain your reasons to the girls and recommend a nice rest down the street...if you have to bring up the fact that you carry then so be it. If they balk then the decision to run the gauntlet is their choice.

If you wish to keep it underwraps so to speak, carry oc/knife/light and travel as a group.

NC has a similar law..no carry where alcohol is served..which rules out a LOT of resturants.
 
If the gun is concealed what's the problem? What is the penalty for carrying in a bar? We don't have anything like that here in CO, but if you're caught carrying concealed without a CCW the first offense is a misdemeanor, 2nd on up though is felony territory. Just have to weigh the consequences & slip on the big boy pants either way you decide.
I will not "push the issue" of carrying in an illegal location, unless I am using deep concealment. I do not consider my regular manner of carry, IWB, to be "deep". Deep concealment when using a small gun includes shoulder holster under a button-down shirt, smart carry (I don't use it), or ankle carry. I won't risk being made even using an IWB holster with a shirt tucked around it. I think the penalty for being caught carrying in a bar is losing your CPL for life.

I do feel for those who live in a state that prohibits carrying of firearms in any restaurant that serves alcohol :mad: ...but at least the state is consistent(ly wrong). In my state, I can go out for drinks in a restaurant, but I cannot remain sober in the bar section of that same restaurant.
 
Just curious, how long have you been carrying? I would check the laws/penalties, you might be pleasantly surprised (or unpleasantly disgusted).
 
I see a CCW faux pax here in carrying in a situation where you WILL be "outed" because of close contact. Think about it - dance class with a CCW? Any belt holster could be made in that circumstance, and was. Pocket carry would be preferable. Not carrying at all may be the only resort.

At this point, being invited to walk along as a known gun carrier in a bad neighborhood looks manipulative. Would they walk alone under the same conditions? Like Mas Ayoob has said, the last thing you might need is one of these ladies shouting "You have a gun, DO SOMETHING . . ." Their tactical timing is not to be trusted, if it's just a property loss, introducing lethal force won't be good.

There are previous decisions that should possibly be remade with the new information you have gained in these circumstances.
 
While the group size may deter one mugger, it may invite another thinking he could get five or six times the normal amount of loot if he had a gun and you didn't.
 
Park you car by the bar. Than walk back to the studio. After wards when you walk with the group to the bar go to your car to get smokes or drop off your dance shoes or what ever pretense disarm join your party in the bar. At the end of the evening drive home carefully or get a cab depending on your consumption rate
 
can't say I have this dilemma since PA has no laws against carry (concealed or otherwise) in bars. However I'd just as soon not go to the bar at all. Bars are a breeding ground for trouble.
 
ccw

my take is you are not thinking.is this group your kind.the mind set of the girls
does not appear to be your mind set.if you have an eye on one of the girl,may be you better think again.how about the women that marry murderers who are doing life.they like the excitement of danger,expecting to be safely away.I dont do drinking as I am into firearms/reloading.I have been in many bars in past BUT there was not the culture that is prevalent now.think aabout it is it worth it.:uhoh::rolleyes::(
 
Try thinking the situation through.

I sounds as though your problem is the route to and from the bar not the bar itself. You can't legally carry in the bar. A shooting event when you are walking to the bar surrounded by a group of people is asking for accidental injuries, that someone will blame on you. If you are being attacked you may injure someone else in the group. If someone else in the group is being attacked you may accidentally injure them.

You would be better off with some good, serious, unarmed combat training (such as provided by Strambo down in Portland) and good tactics. This training would be useful in the bar as well as in transit. If someone in the group is being attacked then the attacker is wide open for a disabling counter attack.

It will take you ten times as long to learn to use a knife properly as to learn effective unarmed combat.
 
In my state, it is illegal for any non-LEO to carry a firearm into an area designated "over 21" by the liquor commission. I HATE this law
I also hate that. Thats when I went to my closest dictionary and looked up the word concealed I then realized if done so correctly nobody would be able to notice.
 
if a place is "iffy", I don't go there (given a choice).

Also I noticed on another post on THR by member John Wayne:

Don't go somewhere you normally wouldn't just because you are armed.

wise counsel indeed.
 
I like Longrider's plan of action, and if you're on the bike, I use one of these:Pistol lockbox

with the cable going out the back of the saddlebag and around the frame. The bike also has an alarm, and I always park close.

Ramone
 
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Don't go somewhere you normally wouldn't just because you are armed.


Now this is very sound advice. If an area is not safe, why go there in the first place? I carry, but I also do everything I can to stay safe without having to rely on my firearm.
 
Hawaiian said:
Don't go somewhere you normally wouldn't just because you are armed.

Now this is very sound advice. If an area is not safe, why go there in the first place? I carry, but I also do everything I can to stay safe without having to rely on my firearm.

I agree but than I DO NOT allow the BG to dictate where or when I go. I go where I want to, when I want to. Always have, always will. These are my streets I work hard pay for for them. So, I go anywhere I dang well please and hope they don't like it. The OP has a legit reason for going where he is going why should he need to choose another studio or bar. Why should creeps be allowed to run a legitimate business customers away? Should we help the BG shut down a legitimate tax paying enterprise so that they have more territory to sell crack and whores, by not supporting that business? Or should we keep what belongs to us?

Ramone said:
I like Longrider's plan of action, and if you're on the bike, I use one of these:Pistol lockbox

with the cable going out the back of the saddlebag and around the frame. The bike also has an alarm, and I always park close.

Thanks, but with my plan the car or bike would be parked far away from the studio, close to the bar. But still the best IMO immediate solution. I agree that unarmed self defense skills is a mandatory long term solution and carrying a non weapon like a cane is another option. especially if the OP opts not to carry. Having both I would as I said park my car by the bar and carry to class and disarm at the car after the walk to the bar after class. Nothing wrong with having non lethal options. A gun should never be the only tool in your tool box

The lock box looks like it could be a great idea if you can bolt it into your hardbags. Do you have one? How sturdy is it? Is it made to keep an honest man honest or to keep a determined thief out?
 
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A person has the right to be in a place, if they have legit business.
Just take prudent steps, and think out of the box.

If you want to really join these folks, then get a cane.
Lots of dancers use[d] a cane doing the "Old Soft Shoe", or "Tap Dancing".

Sure, recommend another place, more safe and see how it plays. Then again, if you really want to join these folks, your responsibility is to you - first.

Always.

For if you don't take care of you, you cannot be there for anyone else.
 
Just curious, how long have you been carrying? I would check the laws/penalties, you might be pleasantly surprised (or unpleasantly disgusted).
Not too long. About 2 years. All the laws I have been made aware of have been within that time.

I see a CCW faux pax here in carrying in a situation where you WILL be "outed" because of close contact. Think about it - dance class with a CCW? Any belt holster could be made in that circumstance, and was. Pocket carry would be preferable. Not carrying at all may be the only resort.

At this point, being invited to walk along as a known gun carrier in a bad neighborhood looks manipulative. Would they walk alone under the same conditions? Like Mas Ayoob has said, the last thing you might need is one of these ladies shouting "You have a gun, DO SOMETHING . . ." Their tactical timing is not to be trusted, if it's just a property loss, introducing lethal force won't be good.
It's possible I might be found out, but that hasn't happened yet. I told the teacher, who touched something at my lower back, that it was a music player for when I ride my motorcycle. The girls do walk alone now, without me joining them, so I don't see them inviting me only because/if they knew I carry (they don't know now, just to be clear).

Park you car by the bar. Than walk back to the studio. After wards when you walk with the group to the bar go to your car to get smokes or drop off your dance shoes or what ever pretense disarm join your party in the bar. At the end of the evening drive home carefully or get a cab depending on your consumption rate
That is a very good solution. The last part would not be necessary for me, but I understand why that was added. I drink less than 1 drink per hour when I am carrying or may need to drive.

my take is you are not thinking.is this group your kind.the mind set of the girls
does not appear to be your mind set.if you have an eye on one of the girl,may be you better think again.how about the women that marry murderers who are doing life.they like the excitement of danger,expecting to be safely away.I dont do drinking as I am into firearms/reloading.I have been in many bars in past BUT there was not the culture that is prevalent now.think aabout it is it worth it.
I am not thinking? I disagree... I always try to be thinking :)
First, I read back and I think I exaggerated by labeling the neighborhood "bad". I have to admit, part of the area is bad; the girls walk about a block away from a drug dealing area. "Potentially bad" may be a better term (but aren't all areas "potentially bad"?). If you are questioning me spending time with the girls who would walk in this "not good" area, then according to that, there are probably very few girls in this state who would be "my kind" (i.e. my exact mind-set). I imagine that NONE of the girls have my mind-set. I'd bet none of them carry a gun or a knife or multiple flashlights. It seems girls just don't tend to do that by their nature. Does that mean they cannot be educated?

...A shooting event when you are walking to the bar surrounded by a group of people is asking for accidental injuries, that someone will blame on you. If you are being attacked you may injure someone else in the group....
This advice does not support a reason to not carry. Do you support the laws/rules that prevent a licensed individual from carrying on a college campus? If you do, that means that, IF there is a gun brought onto a campus by a killer, you'd hope that the only gun present is the one in the criminal hands.
If I carry, I retain the option of not using the gun.
 
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