Howdy folks. Gun ownership in the UK,

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Hello there.

I was introduced to this forum a few days ago after looking at Oleg Volk's awesome activism/art, and decided to sign up. Looks like a really good community.

I'll start by introducing myself: Hi, I'm Blair. I'm Scottish, a UK citizen (subject?), a law student, and a victim of my state's draconian gun laws. I believe that civillian armaments are essential for keeping the peace in a truly individualist society, the latin maxims tell us "if you want peace, prepare for war" and "arms keep peace", and they are indeed valid.

In this Country, the police issue "firearms certificates" to those who apply. In order to own a firearm you must have a firearms certificate. In order to apply, one must demonstrate "good reason" to own a firearm (I'm personally fond of "to keep our authoritarian tyrants in check" but that doesn't really work). For the police "good reason" includes only:

a) The humane destruction of vermin
b) Target shooting

Self defense is not considered "good reason", because the Government doesn't want their subjects defending themselves from thugs and criminals.

When I turned 18 I applied for a firearms certificate. I had my interview with the police and all the rest of it. I was turned down on the grounds that I'm a law student, and as such might be subject to stressful conditions. Furthermore, the police claim that I don't "need" a gun. :mad:

Then there are the various "banned" classes of firearms. Even if I do get a firearms certificate I can not own:
-Self loading centrefire rifles
-Centrefire handguns
-Rimfire handguns

So that leaves me with:
-Manually operated centrefire rifles
-Semi-auto rimfire rifles
-manually operated rimfire rifles

Unfortunately, we don't have the right to keep and bear arms over here. It is a privellage reserved only for the elite and the police. Indeed, after handguns were banned, the historically unarmed UK police forced increased the extent to which they carry weapons. Heck, in London they regularly carry the MP5 and the G36c.

Yours

Blair
 
Welcome Blair. Please move to the USA, we can use immigrants like you.
 
I disagree with Pilot. Stay there, be a force for change. So many anti-gun policies are so ridiculous and many citizens either can't see the forest from the trees or simply don't care to try.
 
Failte, a Bhlar. Ciamar a tha sibh?

Cait a beil sibh a fuireach? (Perthshire...?)


Some of my family are "Blairs" - apparently from Perthshire via Ulster.

The other side of the family are Highlanders (and apparently stole cattle from the Blairs about 500 years ago ;) )

'S bochd sin mu Alba :(

Such a proud heritage.
 
Just so you know what kind of individuals I'm up against.

The Gun control network is the biggest force for draconian firearm laws in the UK
http://www.gun-control-network.org/
It's interesting that they try to tell us that "we don't want to take ALL your guns. We want balance and compromise", but yet the motto of this orginisation is "Working towards a gun free environment".

Let's take a look inside shall we?

http://www.gun-control-network.org/GCN10.htm
That is a list of their "objectives". I particularly mock their willingness to ban "human shaped targets". By "multi shot rifles" they obviously mean bolt action repeaters, as they already managed to ban semi-autos, they obviously will not stop untill they have everything their way.

The thing is. We, the pro gun lobby are bound to win. I mean look at the idiocy displayed by the gun control network. It's a shame that sometimes the sheeple aren't swayed by logic. Only the power o sensationalism sways them now.
 
TallPine said:
Failte, a Bhlar. Ciamar a tha sibh?

Cait a beil sibh a fuireach? (Perthshire...?)


Some of my family are "Blairs" - apparently from Perthshire via Ulster.

The other side of the family are Highlanders (and apparently stole cattle from the Blairs about 500 years ago ;) )

'S bochd sin mu Alba :(

Such a proud heritage.
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Ah, Blair is my first name. My surname is Houston (another old Gallic word)
 
Hello Blair! I also recently signed up here, another "victim" of Oleg's incredible work.

Perhaps gun laws are tight over there, but at least your government will sell you surplus armor! Over here anything like that must be hacked up before it can be sold. Go get yourself a Centurion or an FV432...who needs guns? Heh. It's so bizarre -- military surplus armor over here has to be cut up, but we can import yours? If I had the spare cash I'd love to have an FV432, a lot of them have been brought in to the states along with Ferrets and other toys. Wonder if they leak oil as bad as my MG and Land Rover? But I digress...

Back to guns -- when the laws changed did they go and confiscate weapons? I mean what about the folks who still had the odd Webley that grandpa brought back home with him after the war?
 
Keith Wheeler said:
Back to guns -- when the laws changed did they go and confiscate weapons? I mean what about the folks who still had the odd Webley that grandpa brought back home with him after the war?
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Confiscated and destroyed. All handguns were registered, meaning that it was easy for the Gov't to treck them down.

My grandfather's Luger was a casualty in the witch-hunt.
 
Yo, Blair, and welcome aboard.

It's good to know that there's still good folks over there with their heads screwed on right.

PS:

We're still pissed off about all the personal arms we loaned y'all in the 40's getting dumped into the channel.
 
Welcome aboard.

I think you've hit the nail on the head
I believe that civillian armaments are essential for keeping the peace in a truly individualist society, the latin maxims tell us "if you want peace, prepare for war" and "arms keep peace", and they are indeed valid.
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Perhaps that's the whole point; the elimination of an individualist society
 
I was turned down on the grounds that I'm a law student, and as such might be subject to stressful conditions. Furthermore, the police claim that I don't "need" a gun.
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Please pardon me, but that's the most ridiculous f*@#(*ing thing I've ever heard.
 
It's downright depressing knowing that such a civilized Western nation deprives its citizens of very important, basic liberties. I always imagined the setting of 1984 in a more dreary, dark place not a beautiful, prospering country.
 
Such laws in such countries should make even the most bitter Kali resident of the USA feel a little better. But either way still sucks and I cannot even begin to sympathize with such a circumstance since I can have no grasp as to what that would feel like.
 
Blair said:
Confiscated and destroyed. All handguns were registered, meaning that it was easy for the Gov't to treck them down.

My grandfather's Luger was a casualty in the witch-hunt.
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I live in a semi-rural area, we've got 30 acres. When I want to shoot, I go and grab a gun and go down to the pond -- it's at a local minimum, and pretty much on the center of our land. The earthen dam makes a great back stop, and the land behind us is empty.

I'm a self-employed engineer. I work in a lab/office on my property. As I type this I'm wearing my CZ75; we've had some trouble with feral dogs of late. Down at the house are many of my grandfather's guns -- an '03A3 .30-06 (still mil-spec), a WWII vintage Saginaw M1 Carbine, and an 11mm Beaumont that he restored. On my desk are parts of a Sterling L2A3 -- my plan is to do a Form 1 SBR registered semi.

I suddenly feel very proud of all of this, while being humbled at the same time.

I think these folks are right -- get that law degree, and move to the US. No problem finding a good pint of bitter, and the chicks will dig your accent.
 
"1984 was set in the UK"

That was part of the reason I mentioned it. I was referencing the setting, not necessarily geography. I imagined it more like Tim Burton's version of Gotham City from Batman, not the London that we know today.
 
RavenVT100 said:
Please pardon me, but that's the most ridiculous f*@#(*ing thing I've ever heard.
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It is indeed. Every single local police authority in the UK likes to make up the rules as they go along. Some are better than others though.
 
Pilgrim said:
With you being both a Scot and a law student, what is the police position on your owning a Claymore?
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A claymore that my ancestors would have used to kill English soldiers? Or a claymore that your ancestors used to counter Chinese "human wave attacks"? :)

Owning a sword is currently legal in the UK, however they will -very soon- be banned in a new wave of "anti-social behaviour" legislation.
 
Welcome Blair !!

Good luck with the struggle to maintain some since of being a free man rather than a ward of the state. We're in the same struggle here - just not as far along .

Such laws in such countries should make even the most bitter Kali resident of the USA feel a little better. But either way still sucks and I cannot even begin to sympathize with such a circumstance since I can have no grasp as to what that would feel like.
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I think what it should do is make every Kali resident wake up to see the direction they're allowing their state to move in.
 
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