HS 6
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I had decent results in 9mm but switch to HP38 and got much better loads. There is a guy named rbstern on http://www.sksboards.com/ that uses that powder for 9mm fmj and hp with good luck. You can search that forum or join and pm him...he is VERY helpful.
sansone
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hs6 burns a little slow for a 3"brrl.. does it work good for you?
AA#5 & WSF gave excellent results with Ranier 115 Gr. RN in a 3" EMP and gave virtually the same velocities. The AA#5 outdistanced WSF by 100 + FPS in a 16" CX 4 Storm.... ( WSF was max, AA#5 was too-5.7 & 7.0- reduce 10% and work up) HS 6 is close in burn rate to AA #5.
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Brillo
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I use HS-6 and WSF in my 40 S&W Glock model 22 with KKM barrel. I like them both. Most accurate HS-6 load is 8.5 gr HS-6, 155 gr Rem JHP, Winchester brass (COL~1.120), CCI 500 primer. Muzzle velocity is 1165 fps.
Brillo
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Here is a heavier bullet load I sometimes use whid is very accurate in my Model 22/KKM barrel. 7.4 gr HS-6, 180 gr Magtech JTC, CCI 500 primer, Win. brass. COL ~ 1.125. Muzzle velocity 990 fps.
spencerhut
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Meters great is right. Try using Unique and then switch to HS-6. You'll be amazed that crappy powder measure all the sudden works perfectly. 
HS-6 is a relatively show pistol powder close to Blue Dot in burn rate. I'd picked up a couple lbs several years ago and have tried it in a couple applications with lackluster results. Recently I've used 5.4grs with 147gr Berrys copper plated bullets in the 9mm which I found to be a good load.
In low pressure cartridges like the .38 spl and .45 acp HS-6 doesn't burn cleanly as these cartridges do not develop enough pressure. In the 9mm with 115gr bullets I find it to be pretty flashy but with the heavier 147gr its not.
In low pressure cartridges like the .38 spl and .45 acp HS-6 doesn't burn cleanly as these cartridges do not develop enough pressure. In the 9mm with 115gr bullets I find it to be pretty flashy but with the heavier 147gr its not.
Well. I loaded some 115 Gr. Raniers and 7.0 Grs. HS-6. We will see how it does. You are right. It is probably a bit slow for the .45, but we will see. If you look at Hodgdons data and are just looking for velocity, then Longshot will give more for less powder. I almost bought some of it to try to, but I am not interested in making the .45 scream. If HS-6 doesn't work any better than WSF or AA#5 nothing is lost. I almost bought an 8 pounder of AA # 5 today as well, but I had shot my wad already.
I could live with just AA#2, AA#5, AA#9 W231, W296, WST, WSF and Universal Clays. ( actually could narrow that down, but I like all these. ) Well.....N310 is hard to beat as well.
I could live with just AA#2, AA#5, AA#9 W231, W296, WST, WSF and Universal Clays. ( actually could narrow that down, but I like all these. ) Well.....N310 is hard to beat as well.
rbernie
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For my bulk 40S&W practice ammo, I use 6.7gr of HS6 under a 180gr copper-washed LRN (Xtreme) lit by Fed primers. Not too flashy, pretty economical, and (as best I can tell) as accurate as anything else.
Shoney
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Just to keep the records straight, HS-6 and W231 are the same powder, manufactured by Hodgdon..
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HP-38 = w231
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HP-38 = w231
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Are you sure about that? They are always listed a good ways apart on burn rate charts and they look night and day different in person as well.
I have used a ton (well, not quite) of W231.
http://www.hodgdon.com/data/general/burnratechart.php
I tried HS-6 for .45acp in a 1911 and Marlin Camp with 185gr jhp with poor results, W-231 and Unique work much better for me. Maybe in a +p load it will perform better ? kinda like Power Pistol. Good luck, let us know what you come up with
Brillo
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Walkalong - It looks like there is a bit of a consensus on HS-6, that is that it works better in the higher pressure format than in low pressure applications such as the 45, and it also measures much better than the faster burning flake powders like Unique and Power Pistol.
HS-6 is VERY slow for 9mm, and VERY VERY dirty. It works well if you absolutely have to have insane velocities, but other than that there are several other powders that will make extremely high velocities without the dirtyness. 40? It gets a little better but VERY little. 45? Fuhgeddaboutit, WAY WAY too slow for anything reasonable in a 45 acp.
For the calibers and reasonable to VERY strong loads look to Power Pistol. Slightly more tame but clean is Super Field. Universal is also good in full power loads with jacketed bullets. Unique if shooting lead.
For the calibers and reasonable to VERY strong loads look to Power Pistol. Slightly more tame but clean is Super Field. Universal is also good in full power loads with jacketed bullets. Unique if shooting lead.
Thanks HSMITH. I did not realize HS-6 was that slow. I loaded some up in the 9MM with some AA# 5 and some WSF, both of which do quite well in the 9MM. I will shoot them one of these days and see how they do.
I really like Universal Clays in the .40, but have not tried WSF in the .40 yet as it is new to me as well.
WSF has impressed me so far. It seems it will do almost all AA# 5 will do with less powder. I believe I will be buying more. I gotta settle on something and quit trying everything, up to 105 in the .45
Curiosity killed the cat I guess. Having fun though.
I really like Universal Clays in the .40, but have not tried WSF in the .40 yet as it is new to me as well.
WSF has impressed me so far. It seems it will do almost all AA# 5 will do with less powder. I believe I will be buying more. I gotta settle on something and quit trying everything, up to 105 in the .45
Curiosity killed the cat I guess. Having fun though.
You are welcome.
HS-6 is really fun in a fully supported and compensated barrel. With extra long loads and a censored by me amount of HS-6 in my 9mm 2011 I was running 115's at 1560fps, a tremendous amount of gas to operate the comp, and no pressure problems. Even at ludicrous speed the powder is filthy though, about like AA#7. It looks like black and white sand mixed in the crud when using it. HS-6 is accurate and consistent, but no more so than a couple other powders that are vastly cleaner shooting.
I think the most accurate 9mm and 40 loads I have ever made have been with Super Field. It is slightly more temperature sensitive than Universal and both are more so than Power Pistol. Super Field will meter through any measure too. It really is a great powder.
HS-6 is really fun in a fully supported and compensated barrel. With extra long loads and a censored by me amount of HS-6 in my 9mm 2011 I was running 115's at 1560fps, a tremendous amount of gas to operate the comp, and no pressure problems. Even at ludicrous speed the powder is filthy though, about like AA#7. It looks like black and white sand mixed in the crud when using it. HS-6 is accurate and consistent, but no more so than a couple other powders that are vastly cleaner shooting.
I think the most accurate 9mm and 40 loads I have ever made have been with Super Field. It is slightly more temperature sensitive than Universal and both are more so than Power Pistol. Super Field will meter through any measure too. It really is a great powder.
Well, I got to shoot the HS-6 loads today along with WSF & AA# 5 loads. All Max by the book.
7.0 Grs HS-6...7.0 Grs. AA# 5...5.7 Grs. WSF with WLP primers and Ranier 115 Gr. RN @ 1.135 O.A.L.
I shot them in a 16" barrel CX4 Storm, a 5" barrel Bennelli, & a 3" barrel EMP.
CX4 Storm - 16"
HS-6
Hi - 1439 / Lo - 1393 / Avg - 1416 / ES - 46 / SD - 16
AA# 5
Hi - 1460 / Lo - 1413 / Avg - 1433 / ES - 47 / SD - 17
WSF
Hi - 1403 / Lo - 1368 / Avg - 1389 / ES - 35 / SD - 9
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Bennelli - 5"
HS-6
Hi - 1209 / Lo - 1120 / Avg - 1173 / ES - 89 / SD - 28
AA# 5
Hi - 1211 / Lo - 1157 / Avg - 1189 / ES - 54 / SD - 17
WSF
Hi - 1197 / Lo - 1177 / Avg - 1181 / ES - 20 / SD - 6
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EMP - 3"
HS-6
Hi - 1128 / Lo - 1052 / Avg - 1082 / ES - 76 / SD - 28
AA# 5
Hi - 1105 / Lo - 1051 / Avg - 1074 / ES - 54 / SD - 17
WSF
Hi - 1106 / Lo - 1041 / Avg - 1070 / ES - 65 / SD - 23
The WSF gives practically the same velocities as the others with less powder and less recoil. The AA# 5 does give better velocity in the carbine, but not all that much.
The WSF and the AA# 5 were very clean and very accurate. The HS-6 was not as clean nor as accurate, although it was not to bad.
WSF is my new favorite 9MM powder. It would easily shoot through one ragged hole at 15 yds out of the CX4 Storm with the scope on 1.5X. So would the AA# 5 as far as that goes, but WSF has less recoil and is more pleasent to shoot.
WSF is very clean burning and leaves the cases pretty clean, very clean in the EMP where pressure was greatest. (tightest chamber)
None of the loads showed signs of high pressure. I shot them at 86 degrees. I left them in the sun for a while to get them to ambient temperature before testing.
Oh yea, Please Reduce 10% to Start.
7.0 Grs HS-6...7.0 Grs. AA# 5...5.7 Grs. WSF with WLP primers and Ranier 115 Gr. RN @ 1.135 O.A.L.
I shot them in a 16" barrel CX4 Storm, a 5" barrel Bennelli, & a 3" barrel EMP.
CX4 Storm - 16"
HS-6
Hi - 1439 / Lo - 1393 / Avg - 1416 / ES - 46 / SD - 16
AA# 5
Hi - 1460 / Lo - 1413 / Avg - 1433 / ES - 47 / SD - 17
WSF
Hi - 1403 / Lo - 1368 / Avg - 1389 / ES - 35 / SD - 9
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Bennelli - 5"
HS-6
Hi - 1209 / Lo - 1120 / Avg - 1173 / ES - 89 / SD - 28
AA# 5
Hi - 1211 / Lo - 1157 / Avg - 1189 / ES - 54 / SD - 17
WSF
Hi - 1197 / Lo - 1177 / Avg - 1181 / ES - 20 / SD - 6
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EMP - 3"
HS-6
Hi - 1128 / Lo - 1052 / Avg - 1082 / ES - 76 / SD - 28
AA# 5
Hi - 1105 / Lo - 1051 / Avg - 1074 / ES - 54 / SD - 17
WSF
Hi - 1106 / Lo - 1041 / Avg - 1070 / ES - 65 / SD - 23
The WSF gives practically the same velocities as the others with less powder and less recoil. The AA# 5 does give better velocity in the carbine, but not all that much.
The WSF and the AA# 5 were very clean and very accurate. The HS-6 was not as clean nor as accurate, although it was not to bad.
WSF is my new favorite 9MM powder. It would easily shoot through one ragged hole at 15 yds out of the CX4 Storm with the scope on 1.5X. So would the AA# 5 as far as that goes, but WSF has less recoil and is more pleasent to shoot.
WSF is very clean burning and leaves the cases pretty clean, very clean in the EMP where pressure was greatest. (tightest chamber)
None of the loads showed signs of high pressure. I shot them at 86 degrees. I left them in the sun for a while to get them to ambient temperature before testing.
Oh yea, Please Reduce 10% to Start.
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Lennyjoe
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Tried HS-6 in a couple of pistol calibers and ended up using it in heavy field loads in 12 guage shotshells instead.
Much better pistol powders out there than HS-6.
Much better pistol powders out there than HS-6.
I've used quite a bit of HS6 in .38 Sp, 9MM, mid range loads in .357 and .45 Colt. It's not at it's best in light loads in handguns. A bit sooty in .38 and 9mm but good velocity and accuracy for me. Has worked well in the midrange .357 loads and very good in .45 Colt when loaded to just under, or just into the Ruger only loads.
Although there are recipes for it and it can be used, I think It's way too slow for the .45ACP.
Although there are recipes for it and it can be used, I think It's way too slow for the .45ACP.
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