Hunting calibers we thought would die off.

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I have been supprised as of late, there are several caliber that I never dreamed would catch any tracktion that appear to have some staying power despite my prediction, I wanted to get everyones feedback as to why. I included my reasons and possable explanation.
7mm WSM, it simlply does nothing the 7mm Rem mag cannot, and for people to use high powered ultra high BC bullets they need to chamber it in a long action anyway. Thought is was all but dead and out of the blue several rifle makers picked it up, some of whom had just dropped it an year or two before. This may have something to do with it's very good reputation at long range matches, and that it can match the 7mm RM without the stupid belt.
338 Federal, I thought this one was dead for sure, this idea has been tried before with the 358 win and failed plus it cannot use the heavy 250+gr bullets the 338 cal is famous for which the 338-06 can. I guess the 338 cal is "cool" nowadays and the WSMs started another short action craze. Heck they even make an AR for it now. Nothing wrong with the ballistics as long as you shoot under 300yd.
264 Win mag, that was was dead....I mean very very dead, and out of the blue it comes back to life with several companies chambering it, I guess Americans are starting to lean the virtues of the 6.5mm bore. Sadly that is the one 6.5 that I don't care much for, wish the 6.5 Rem mag came back instead.
280 Rem, this one was also gone, the 270 win had won, and it was only chamberd in the semi-custom Remingtons for years. Then all the sudden everone on the planet had acess to a ballistics calculator and the 280 arose from it's comatose state and looks to be making another power play on the on the 270s spot. No mystery here, it always has held a small edge over the 270 for external ballistics and versitility.
Feel free to add anything else to the list if you like.
 
Glad to see the 338 Federal hanging in there. It makes a nice medium bore cartridge for the AR platform.

The .264 Win Mag. has always been a cartridge I liked. In fact...I really don't see why the 7mm Mag ever upstaged it...except that early 264's got a reputation for being "barrel burners". Same parent cartridge (458 Win Mag).

The 7mm-08 is one of my all time favorites...and doesn't get nearly the attention it deserves, but its been around now for 30+ years...so I guess its here to stay.
 
I don`t understand some of these questions...............Maybe the .17, never really understood what it is was good for when the .22 or the .25 will do the same thing with more punch.
 
The 257 Roberts is like the 7x57 or 6.5x55 they may be in or out at any given time, but they never die, they have been around far too long and have far too many die hard fans. The 8mm Rem Mag while a fantastic CXP3 caliber was upstaged by the 338 Win Mag. They are near identical in terms of ballistics, but I guess 338 just sounded cooler. I was skeptical of the WSMs when they came out.....Who am I kidding I thought they were a fad and crappy marketing con, but I found one on clearence for next to nothing, and I admit I really liked it. I was able to slightly surpass the performace of my 7mm Rem Mag burning about 2gr less powder in a short action and 6lbs 24" rifle, very impressive. The 325WSM is the final nail in the coffin for the 8mm Rem Mag because it is a short action, more efficient ballistic twin.
I never put a 264 Win Mag on my wishlist, too many horror stories about them eating barrels in under 500 rounds, but that may be different with modern chrome lined barrels, if I could get 1500 rounds out of one I would be all over it, I am a card carrying member of the 6.5mm cult :D
 
I often takes time for rounds to catch on. The 270 WCF had been on the market for 20 years and was all but dead before Jack O'Connor started writing about it. Had it not been for O'Connor, the 270 would have died a quiet death long ago.

7mm WSM, it simlply does nothing the 7mm Rem mag cannot

The entire line of WSM cartridges are misunderstood. Lots of folks look at the ballistics and don't see any advantage over traditional belted magnums. They don't shoot any faster, and are often 20-30 fps slower with the same bullets. But the more efficeint case design burns less powder to get more than 99% of the traditional magnums velocity. On average they are a bit more accurate, can have 10-15% less recoil for the same velocity, and can achieve the velocity from shorter barrels.

If pure speed is the goal, and you don't mind a long barreled, heavy gun, the traditional magnums are the better choice. The WSM's advantages are for hunters looking for performance, in a smaller, lighter package with less recoil.
 
So really, what are we talking about ?

Hunting calibers we thought would die off.
Or.......
Hunting cartridges we thought would die off.

I really am lost, some of us are talking calibers & others are talking cartridges.
The OP`s question was Hunting Calibers we thought would die off ?

What Gives ?
 
It would be almost pointless to talk about one without considering the other IMO.

We should not use the terms interchangeably, I agree...but the OP refers to certain "cartridges" (by way of illustration) in his first post...along with the subject of "calibers".

Quite naturally...other contributions followed suit.
 
So really, what are we talking about ?

Hunting calibers we thought would die off.
Or.......
Hunting cartridges we thought would die off.

I really am lost, some of us are talking calibers & others are talking cartridges.
The OP`s question was Hunting Calibers we thought would die off ?

What Gives ?
The "caliber" vs "cartridge" thing really grates on my ears as well but common usage has unfortunately turned them into synonyms. You even find this usage in articles by prominent gun writers in magazines with knowledgeable editors.
 
The OP`s question was Hunting Calibers we thought would die off ?

What Gives ?
Caliber - The diameter of a circular section

Cartridge - a cylindrical case of pasteboard, metal, or the like, for holding a complete charge of powder, and often also the bullet

Whatever floats your boat!!! To me, it's both. Certain diameters in certain cases.
 
Is a bit confusing, innit?
One of the great things about being a handloader is that as long as I have bullets, cases, powder, primers, dies and my press none of my favorite calibers will ever die.
I load for .22 Savage HiPower, 30-40 Krag, 32-20, 25-20 and 6.5X54 MS,-all cartrdges that are supposedly dead (or, like Aqualung, are on their last gasping breath) and they still all go boom, the bullets go down range and the animals they hit die.
Americans have a love affair with the new. The cartridge makers seem to enjoy remaking the same cartridges (ballistics-wise) and selling them as something new. We all know deep down that we could do pretty much everything we wanted to do with a .22RF and a .30-06, but what fun would that be?
It's all about marketing, I guess. A 7mm-08 can do nothing a 7X57 can't do,
a 30TC can do nothing that a .308 can't do. Except attract new customers. I guess that's what it's all about these days. How many articles in the gun mags are nothing more than ads for new guns and cartridges? We don't need any new cartridges, but we seemingly sure as hell want 'em. And some will die. So what?
 
The .22 Savage is for sure a golden oldie. I recall reading that the Model 99 had the first chambering for it. Phil Sharpe listed a corrosive primer loading with 2400 and a 40-grain bullet at 3,900 ft/sec. Some guy in (IIRC) India made a one-shot kill on a tiger.

The Rem .22-250 very closely approximates Jerry Gebby's "Varminter" of the 1930s, with a .250-3000 Savage necked down to .22. He was a gunsmith and varmint hunter in Nebraska. My uncle put one of his barrels on a bring-back Model 98 action around 1948 or so. Half-MOA with a Weaver K-10.
 
I would note that the .284 win seems to be coming back, maybe because of the 6mm and 6.5/284 spins offs in long range shooting. But none the less a great cartridge IMO.
 
The 284win was simply ahead of it's time, same with the 6.5 Rem mag, both made 270win class (or better) trajectory/energy at range in a short action more efficicnt cartrage. But at the time people had a hard time seeing the virtues of that. Had they been relaesed today they would be all the rage LOL
 
The 8mm Rem Mag while a fantastic CXP3 caliber was upstaged by the 338 Win Mag. They are near identical in terms of ballistics, but I guess 338 just sounded cooler

The .338 predates the 8mm Rem Mag by 20 years. I guess what you mean is that when it came out, 8mm Rem Mag had nothing on the already popular .338? Sure was all the rage in the 'zines, but then, so was 5mm Rem rimfire and .17 Rem. :rolleyes: The 'zines talked me in to a Ramline Exactor. What a buncha maroons. :D
 
The .338 predates the 8mm Rem Mag by 20 years. I guess what you mean is that when it came out, 8mm Rem Mag had nothing on the already popular .338? Sure was all the rage in the 'zines, but then, so was 5mm Rem rimfire and .17 Rem. :rolleyes: The 'zines talked me in to a Ramline Exactor. What a buncha maroons. :D
You mean the .338 H&H Mag. & the 8mm H&H Mag. No I am just kidding, but they just as well be..........

RevGeo; You are right buddy, as long as we reloaders have bullets, powder, primers & cases, none of them will ever (DIE)....................
 
It was a (JOKE) MCgunner....................
Oh, sorry. Might have missed an immocon as my browser is messing them up and obviously I didn't read it all correctly. No, I wasn't drunk, either. SHEESH. I probably need yet ANOTHER update on the browser. :rolleyes:

Can anyone think or a caliber no longer offered?

Ammo or gun chambered for???? Most ammo can be found SOMEwhere if you look hard enough. There's tons of calibers...okay....cartridges no one chambers for anymore. Many of the old BP rounds, but lots of more modern smokeless stuff that's no longer "cool" or that now days bounce off game that once fell dead to it, I guess. :rolleyes: Marketing, ya know, always have to market something "better" for sales.

Seems that rounds developed for the commercial market are the ones that die off easiest. If a round gets adopted by the US government, hell, it'll be around forever, witness the .45-70.

But, there's stuff like 218 Bee or .219 Zipper that a lot of people haven't even heard of that died off YEARS ago. 5mm Remington came out in 1970 along with .25-06's legitimization and the .17 Remington at that time, IIRC. The 5mm died almost immediately within a few years and the ammo is now collector's stuff. The .17 is still around, the .25-06 was a big hit and is still popular.
 
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Can anyone think or a caliber no longer offered?
Interesting question;
Caliber - The diameter of a circular section;
Thinking of it in those terms, I can't think of any. It seems that once a Caliber is established, a Cartridge of some sort will always be around to support it in some form, even if it's a wildcat.
 
Interesting question;
Caliber - The diameter of a circular section;
Thinking of it in those terms, I can't think of any. It seems that once a Caliber is established, a Cartridge of some sort will always be around to support it in some form, even if it's a wildcat.
Ok can anyone think of a Cartridge no longer in production? Grammar nazis on the high road whats next?
 
Can anyone think or a caliber no longer offered?
There are plenty of calibers that have died off, every once in a while an ammo maker will do a limited run, but no rifles chamberd for them 250-3000 Sav, 25-20, 30-40 Kraig, 44-40 and 38-55 all come to mind without even putting any thought into it. They are all dead and gone, and with the possable exception of the 44-40 you will likely not see any of them anymore. Pretty much all the ones designed for black powder are long gone, with the noteable exception of the 45-70
 
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