Hunting vs defense. Cumulative damage?

[Ugly Sauce]

It would wake you up! The .405 in the 1895 is not bad, even with a steel buttplate.

Wow. A rifle to die for. That could almost make me change my single-shot, muzzle loading ways. !!!

 

[CraigC]

Wow. A rifle to die for. That could almost make me change my single-shot, muzzle loading ways. !!!

That one was one of the first runs of .270's that didn't sell so they sent them back to Miroku to rebarrel them to .405WCF. Serial number 12! I shot sub-MOA 100yd groups with the buckhorns.

 

[someguy2800]

Then I win the prize. I often hunt, trek, hike, and play with maps and compass in a grizzly recovery area (Harvey Creek grizzly recovery area, GMU113, North Eastern corner of Washington state) with a .62" flintlock. Do you want to live forever??
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I never warmed up to front stuffers but I love me a good single shot! Between rifles, pistols, shotguns, and 2 muzzleloaders I have 15 of them. Actually both my black powder muzzleloaders are for sale because I just ordered a smokeless muzzleloader for MN muzzleloader season. Feel free to call me a heretic.

 

[d2wing]

Oh no! No apology necessary! I kind of got a kick out of it, and muzzle loaders, especially flintlocks, are not for everyone. Neither are single shots. From a logical perspective, they certainly are not the best choice. But either is riding a motorcycle, which I've done all me life.

That is funny. I have ridden motorcycles most of my life too. But my need for speed has caused a couple serious accidents and after a bad one 3 years ago my family has banned me from riding motorcycles. I am 76.

 

[d2wing]

I never warmed up to front stuffers but I love me a good single shot! Between rifles, pistols, shotguns, and 2 muzzleloaders I have 15 of them. Actually both my black powder muzzleloaders are for sale because I just ordered a smokeless muzzleloader for MN muzzleloader season. Feel free to call me a heretic.

A smokeless muzzleloader? tell me more. What powder do you use and is it a special rifle?

 

[MEHavey]

I would offer that a single-shot (especially muzzle-loader) hunter in a situation where other very
large apex predators roam the same country, is asking for the wrong kind of after-action headline.
...Regardless of caliber/cartridge.

I suggest that he/she/it also have a large caliber/multi-shot handgun at vey least.
and even then follow Post#40 protocol.

 

[Ugly Sauce]

I suggest that he/she/it also have a large caliber/multi-shot handgun at vey least.

I have a large knife, and a preference to die in the wilderness, rather than the side of the highway, or a hospice bed.

Here's the large caliber, multi shot pistol I'll be packing tomorrow in Grizzly's living room. Grizz may die of laughter! But hopefully he's denned up by now.

 

[Ugly Sauce]

That is funny. I have ridden motorcycles most of my life too. But my need for speed has caused a couple serious accidents and after a bad one 3 years ago my family has banned me from riding motorcycles. I am 76.

Yeah but I bet you have one stashed away that you sneak out on once in a while. I think I've even seen it.

 

[someguy2800]

A smokeless muzzleloader? tell me more. What powder do you use and is it a special rifle?

Been reading about it for a decade and finally pulled the trigger on getting one. The most common way to make one is to take a break action 45/70 like an H&R or CVA scout and they drill out the chamber end and thread it for a steel breech plug. To load it you either push a .452” diameter bullet down the .458” caliber bore, or use a 40 caliber bullet in a sabot. Common load is like 55-60 grains of IMR4198 under a 200-250 grain sabot or a 250-300 grain .452 bullet. If using .452 diameter bullets they make adjustable sizers to size down the bullet till it is a friction fit in the bore. When fired the bullet obturates into the rifling so it seals up and grabs the rifling. There are a few gunsmiths that do conversions and also a few that make new barrels from scratch for Encore's, Omegas, remington 700's, ect...

Smokeless Muzzleloading

Loads, tips, and shooting for the Savage muzzleloader, SMI smokeless and other muzzleloaders approved for smokeless ONLY. Warning! Smokeless powder loads are not for use in any other muzzleloaders.

www.modernmuzzleloader.com

 

[d2wing]

Been reading about it for a decade and finally pulled the trigger on getting one. The most common way to make one is to take a break action 45/70 like an H&R or CVA scout and they drill out the chamber end and thread it for a steel breech plug. To load it you either push a .452” diameter bullet down the .458” caliber bore, or use a 40 caliber bullet in a sabot. Common load is like 55-60 grains of IMR4198 under a 200-250 grain sabot or a 250-300 grain .452 bullet. If using .452 diameter bullets they make adjustable sizers to size down the bullet till it is a friction fit in the bore. When fired the bullet obturates into the rifling so it seals up and grabs the rifling. There are a few gunsmiths that do conversions and also a few that make new barrels from scratch for Encore's, Omegas, remington 700's, ect...

Smokeless Muzzleloading

Loads, tips, and shooting for the Savage muzzleloader, SMI smokeless and other muzzleloaders approved for smokeless ONLY. Warning! Smokeless powder loads are not for use in any other muzzleloaders.

www.modernmuzzleloader.com

Thanks that's very interesting.

 

[.308 Norma]

my family has banned me from riding motorcycles. I am 76.

Ha! Ha! I'm 75, and nine years ago on Thanksgiving morning, I fell and broke my ankle in three places and put a spiral break up my right fibula while out pheasant hunting. Luckily, I was almost back to the truck when I fell, so I was able to get home okay - where my wife and family put me right back in the truck and hauled me to the hospital. The emergency room people called in an orthopedic surgeon, and he chewed me out for "interrupting" his Thanksgiving before he wired and pinned me back together!
Long story short - my wife was still working back then, so our oldest grandson (Jake) ended up hauling me back and forth to town for doctors' appointments and physical therapy appointments for a couple of months. When it was all over, Jake told my wife, "Don't let grandpa go hunting by himself anymore."
BTW, I still go pheasant hunting by myself on Thanksgiving morning. It's my tradition. Besides, if there's a storm coming nowadays, my right ankle warns me about it well ahead of time!

 

[Ugly Sauce]

BTW, I still go pheasant hunting by myself on Thanksgiving morning. It's my tradition.

I've always thought the thanksgiving hunt was the best tradition! Used to always go in the morning, be home afternoon for the big dinner. Now I've been banned from that, "family obligations". (which means helping with dinner and cleaning up the house, opening the patio, firing up the wood stove, being the "good host", etc., etc.) Dang! However, so my new tradition is hunting the following day, and taking a big turkey sammich. !!! That turkey sammich, and cooking up some strong coffee out in the woods is my new "second Thanksgiving".

Wow, an ankle injury is one of my most feared injuries. Do you ever fully recover from that? Six or seven years ago I had the kicker gears slip on an antique motorcycle I had just built, and I detached my ACL, among a whole bunch of other things, bruised the bones, tore some ligaments. Feared that would impact my hunting, but other than not having the ACL fixed I totally recovered. (thought my kick-starting days were over, but learned to do it left-legged) Sometimes my bones slip out of joint if I get up off the floor or ground wrong, and twist my knee, but I've learned how not to do that. (that REALLY hurts) Otherwise, I can hike and climb, etc., as well as ever. But dang it, it don't tell me when the storm is coming!!

 

[.308 Norma]

Wow, an ankle injury is one of my most feared injuries. Do you ever fully recover from that?

No sir, I never have fully recovered from busting my ankle up so badly - at least not yet. The orthopedic surgeon put metal plates on both sides, and then put screws clear through both plates to pull things back together. After a couple of months and a bunch of physical therapy, the surgeon went back in and took everything out and declared me "healed."
I guess I am "healed" in the sense that I can walk okay. My ankle hurts all the time though - especially during cold weather.
I am back to going on my exercise hikes. I just can't go as far and as fast as I used to. It's taken a while, but I'm up to hiking 40 minutes a day now - 20 minutes in one direction, then I turn around and come home. I feel pretty good about that even though in the good old days, my wife and I used to hike down to Marsh Creek (2 miles from the house) then turn around be back at the house in an hour. Nowadays I'm not even making it half-way to Marsh Creek in 20 minutes.
I guess I can't blame that all on my aching ankle though - I am 75 years old now. Besides, due to her atrial fibrillation, my wife can't even go with me on my exercise hikes anymore, and she has a Disabled Hunter Permit hanging from the rearview mirror in our truck. The Disabled Hunter Permit allows her to legally shoot from a motor vehicle as long as it's not moving or on a public road. That's why most of our "deer hunting" these days amounts to driving around on our friend's ranch looking for a deer for my wife to shoot.
Oh, by the way - that "spiral break" up my right fibula didn't amount to anything. The x-rays showed a crack spiraling up my right fibula like a barber pole, but the surgeon didn't do anything about it at all. He said, "It will heal by itself long before I get your ankle put back together." And I guess it did.

 

[LoonWulf]

Thanks that's very interesting.

As an aside theres also companies making them as purposes built guns as opposed to conversion.....they tend to be..... expensive....

I have a Savage 10ml2 .50cal and run 4198 behind a saboted 325ftx