Mannlicher
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My trunk rifle right now is an Armalite AR180B. At a range of 100 yards, I would not hesitate to take the shot.
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seeker_two
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Some people take Marshall & Sanow TOO seriously...
My only centerfire rifle (for now...
) is a SMLE #1 Mk.III* sporterized w/ scope. Accurate enough to keep deer & hog nervous out to 300 yds. (as long as they don't know I'M the one shooting..
)Yes. I would shoot the BG. And I would try to hit him in the pelvic region/gut so the bullet would be less likely to penetrate pass the car.
In central PA, I would take the shot and probably do OK in court.
In Texas, I would take the shot and probably end up the next governor.
In NJ, Mass., or CA, I would get my camcorder, sell the tape of the cop getting dusted to the media, and retire.
No, I wouldn't want to see a cop get shot just for doing his job, but in one of those states, I wouldn't interfere. I would end up in prison if I did.
The rifle?
Hopefully my M-39.
It is the finest rifle that I have.
In Texas, I would take the shot and probably end up the next governor.
In NJ, Mass., or CA, I would get my camcorder, sell the tape of the cop getting dusted to the media, and retire.
No, I wouldn't want to see a cop get shot just for doing his job, but in one of those states, I wouldn't interfere. I would end up in prison if I did.
The rifle?
Hopefully my M-39.
It is the finest rifle that I have.
Okiecruffler
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At 100yrds or under, same thing I used to control the coyotes at the old place, my bubbafied sks with a red dot and wolf hp ammo. Past that range, and it would have to be my Yugo mauser. Either way, I'd go for a leg shot so it would just bring the bad guy out where the policeman could actually take the kill shot. It's only fair, he saw him first.
benEzra
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Well, since the mini-14 is my designated "Range Safety Gun," it'd be the only one that I could get going quickly enough to matter.
As to whether I'd intervene if a police officer were being shot at and looked to be in danger--probably, if I could do so safely and would not be mistaken for a second BG, unless the officer looked like he had the situation well in hand. If the BG just fired a few shots and jumped back in his car to flee, I'd get a description and let him go, then make sure the officer's OK.
4Truck
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In a 100 yard situation, it would be the Bushy carbine with red dot.
For 200 yards or more, it would be the Browning A-Bolt 300WSM
For 200 yards or more, it would be the Browning A-Bolt 300WSM
RCL
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Yep, take the shot. The two long guns I would most likely have at the moment would be either my 30-30 Marlin or my 12ga. 870 loaded with slugs.
hondo68
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John G
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hondo68, Please tell me you're joking.ShaiVong
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seeker_two
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And in which drug-induced fever dream did you see John Wayne shootin' Injuns w/ a BROWNING AUTOMATIC?!?!....
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) ArtThanks for the edit, Art....
(Edited in regard to the edit Art made in regard to the edit Art made to the post in which this was a reply to---now say THAT three times fast...
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Chris Rhines
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Do I even need to say it?
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Johnny Guest
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Footnote: The Deer Hunter
Regarding the West Texas incident mentioned above - - - Just as Art wrote: "Everything went just as it should have for the Good Guys, just as if we're in a rational world."
I was a DA's Investigator back when it happened. At a meeting afterward, I was at a table with the District Attorney from that county. Way he told it, the decision was made early on to protect the identity of "The Deer Hunter" (as he was called in the area.) One of the big networks sent their stringer from Dallas or Fort Worth out to do the "in-depth follow up." He asked about the hunter's name and address. Getting no cooperation from the dead trooper's supervisors, the reporter checked with the Sheriff's Office, the DA, Medical Examiner, and the local media. All either refused to talk, or said, "Hey, we don't know, and don't NEED to know." THIS reporter, a home-grown lad, said, "Good enough, thanks," and went home.
When the network got the abbreviated story, sans interview, they got upset, (fired the stringer??) and flew someone out from New York. THIS worthy went through much the same routine, and ended up in the DA's office. Exchange went something like:
TV Tool: All the cops are being uncooperative. They tell me YOU'RE handling the information.
DA: Yes, sir?
TVT: I need to interview the deer hunter and nobody will tell me his name.
DA: Did you get the news release with all the details, but saying we're protecting his identity?
TVT: Yeah, but I have a right to talk to him. The people have a NEED TO KNOW!
DA: No, sir, that's not correct. You have the right to ask. We have the right to protect him. You have everything except the name and address. I declined to charge him. The grand jury no-billed and commended him. He did right and doesn't need to suffer for it.
TVT: **sputter** You can't do this! I'll bust this town wide open! I'll expose you! I'll **bluster, threaten**
DA: Okay, you do what you need to do. Hang out and run up your expense account. The community can use your money. Uh, you want to drive real careful, though, and don't shake your finger in anybody's face, please.
The following day, four traffic tickets, and six "investigative stops" later, TVT flew back to NYC. The Texas DPS Officers Association later presented a nickel plated Colt .45, suitably engraved, "to The Deer Hunter . . . ." I later saw it at the Texas Ranger Museum in Waco. So far as I know, the hunter's name has never appeared in print or been broadcast.
Oh, yeah, I'd take the shot. Whatever was handy, at that range. I'd have to get a deer rifle out of the safe, but there's a good M1 Carbine stashed by my wife's computer desk. If closer to my car, probably my AR15.
Best,
Johnny
Regarding the West Texas incident mentioned above - - - Just as Art wrote: "Everything went just as it should have for the Good Guys, just as if we're in a rational world."
I was a DA's Investigator back when it happened. At a meeting afterward, I was at a table with the District Attorney from that county. Way he told it, the decision was made early on to protect the identity of "The Deer Hunter" (as he was called in the area.) One of the big networks sent their stringer from Dallas or Fort Worth out to do the "in-depth follow up." He asked about the hunter's name and address. Getting no cooperation from the dead trooper's supervisors, the reporter checked with the Sheriff's Office, the DA, Medical Examiner, and the local media. All either refused to talk, or said, "Hey, we don't know, and don't NEED to know." THIS reporter, a home-grown lad, said, "Good enough, thanks," and went home.
When the network got the abbreviated story, sans interview, they got upset, (fired the stringer??) and flew someone out from New York. THIS worthy went through much the same routine, and ended up in the DA's office. Exchange went something like:
TV Tool: All the cops are being uncooperative. They tell me YOU'RE handling the information.
DA: Yes, sir?
TVT: I need to interview the deer hunter and nobody will tell me his name.
DA: Did you get the news release with all the details, but saying we're protecting his identity?
TVT: Yeah, but I have a right to talk to him. The people have a NEED TO KNOW!
DA: No, sir, that's not correct. You have the right to ask. We have the right to protect him. You have everything except the name and address. I declined to charge him. The grand jury no-billed and commended him. He did right and doesn't need to suffer for it.
TVT: **sputter** You can't do this! I'll bust this town wide open! I'll expose you! I'll **bluster, threaten**
DA: Okay, you do what you need to do. Hang out and run up your expense account. The community can use your money. Uh, you want to drive real careful, though, and don't shake your finger in anybody's face, please.
The following day, four traffic tickets, and six "investigative stops" later, TVT flew back to NYC. The Texas DPS Officers Association later presented a nickel plated Colt .45, suitably engraved, "to The Deer Hunter . . . ." I later saw it at the Texas Ranger Museum in Waco. So far as I know, the hunter's name has never appeared in print or been broadcast.
Oh, yeah, I'd take the shot. Whatever was handy, at that range. I'd have to get a deer rifle out of the safe, but there's a good M1 Carbine stashed by my wife's computer desk. If closer to my car, probably my AR15.
Best,
Johnny
SodaPop
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I guess I'm confessing to being paranoid, but I never leave the range without ammo for whatever semi-auto rifle I've been shooting.
Powderman
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Hey, SodaPop:
Whenever I go to the range with my AR, before I leave, I give it a cursory cleaning to ensure that it's in working order.
Then, I lock one 28 round magazine of Federal Premium 223, with Sierra 52 grain MatchKings. These are Department issue. Chamber is empty.
See, you're not so paranoid after all!
Whenever I go to the range with my AR, before I leave, I give it a cursory cleaning to ensure that it's in working order.
Then, I lock one 28 round magazine of Federal Premium 223, with Sierra 52 grain MatchKings. These are Department issue. Chamber is empty.
See, you're not so paranoid after all!
Byron Quick
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Yeah,
I'd take the shot. I know most of the troopers in eastern central Georgia and west central South Carolina at least on a nodding acquaintance basis. Good men all. I'd protect a stranger the same way. I'd certainly protect people I know.
Oh, Johnny? I'd never heard that story before. If you are ever up that way and run into someone who knows the "deer hunter's" identity...please convey my heartfelt admiration for both taking the shot and making the shot...talk about pressure!
Oh, yes, for the folks who expressed concern about DA's reactions in some of the peoples' republics...if you are from out of state, traveling through Georgia, and see this scenario...go for it. If you make the shot, you'll be feted. Might be some problem in areas of downtown Atlanta...for awhile...and they would cave quickly to statewide reaction to their idiocy.
I'd take the shot. I know most of the troopers in eastern central Georgia and west central South Carolina at least on a nodding acquaintance basis. Good men all. I'd protect a stranger the same way. I'd certainly protect people I know.
Oh, Johnny? I'd never heard that story before. If you are ever up that way and run into someone who knows the "deer hunter's" identity...please convey my heartfelt admiration for both taking the shot and making the shot...talk about pressure!
Oh, yes, for the folks who expressed concern about DA's reactions in some of the peoples' republics...if you are from out of state, traveling through Georgia, and see this scenario...go for it. If you make the shot, you'll be feted. Might be some problem in areas of downtown Atlanta...for awhile...and they would cave quickly to statewide reaction to their idiocy.
Shalako
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Under 50 yards: My ex-full choked turkey gun with 3" mag 4s. Head shot.
Over 50 yards: Something else.
Over 50 yards: Something else.
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Handy
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I would be inclined to use whatever looked like a hunting rifle, rather than a military arm, if there was a choice. That gives the cop less to wonder about.
Anything .22 Hornet or better should be lethal with a clear shot.
Anything .22 Hornet or better should be lethal with a clear shot.
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