Should gun crime penalties be more severe for CHL holders?

[doorman]

Yesterday, March 4, 2010 there was an incident were a CHL holder side swiped another car and continued down the road without stopping. The other vehicles driver was actually a police officer at one the local universities. She and her thirteen year old daughter were on the way home when she was side swiped. She caught up to the other car and recorded his license plate number and continued passing the car. The guy in the first car pulled behind her pulled a 9mm pistol and fired. The rounds went through the rear window striking the thirteen year old in the head, which ended up being a fatal injury.

Now, I am a CHL holder and my biggest worry is that another CHL holder will “snap” and give the Brady Bunch and other anti-gunners statistics to prove their cause.

Should people with gun permits be held to a higher standard of care?

RU

 

[mcdonl]

Should people with gun permits be held to a higher standard of care?

My opinion. We are held to a higher standard in order to GET the permit. But, once we do we are no different than anyone else.

What a POS this guy was. Not being a felon does NOT make you NOT an A-Hole... I hope this guy rots in prison for the rest of his life.

 

[Tommygunn]

The guy in the first car pulled behind her pulled a 9mm pistol and fired. The rounds went through the rear window striking the thirteen year old in the head, which ended up being a fatal injury.

This is already a murder case. You can't get a "CCW" permit to do an illegal thing. The shooter already has commited an act for which he could be convicted of a capitol offense, I don't know how much more serious a crime one could commit, really. Maybe if you shot two thirteen year olds.......
My point is that, yeah, we should be held to account, but the shooter here is as guilty as possible. If they can't convict him of a capitol offense then I don't think trying to hold CCWers to "special account" will help anything.

 

[brboyer]

No.....

 

[Straight Shooter]

We are held to a higher standard in order to GET the permit.

You took the words right out of my mouth.

Anyone who commits a crime should be held accountable. No one group should be held more or less accountable than another.

 

[AzBuckfever]

I don't think CCW holders should be held at a higher standard, nor do I think those who hold them are held a higher standard for being able to get it. That's like saying you should be held more accountable for being able to get a credit card (which lately is probably harder to get than a CCW ) As previously stated, it's already a murder case. Sad thing is, he probably won't do much time as it'll plea down to either 2nd degree, or manslaughter. When he goes to prison, he'll really learn a new meaning of concealed weapon

 

[Sam1911]

The law is the law. An illegal act is just as illegal for a licensed gun toter as it is for anyone else.

So no.

 

[jackstinson]

Should gun crime penalties be more severe for CHL holders?

No.

RE: the shooter mentioned in the example? He's already got at least four crimes against him.
1. Sideswiped another vehicle.
2. Fled the scene of an "accident".
3. Shot several rounds at another vehicle.
4. Killed a passenger in the other vehicle.

 

[Va Shooter]

NO, a crime is a crime. Just like "HATE" crimes, murder is murder! Justice is blind, at least it use to be!

 

[ConstitutionCowboy]

The way I see it is that if you have been proven in a court of law that you can't be trusted with arms, that you belong in prison or an institution until it can be proven that you can be trusted with arms out in society. Having held a permit at the time you commit your crime won't matter one way or another.

Woody

 

[Robert]

{Citation Needed}

 

[TexasRifleman]

Now, I am a CHL holder and my biggest worry is that another CHL holder will “snap” and give the Brady Bunch and other anti-gunners statistics to prove their cause.

Should people with gun permits be held to a higher standard of care?

Since concealed carry in your car in Texas is legal whether you have a permit or not, the CHL doesn't play into this.

Crime is crime.

 

[MisterMike]

I'd say "no." It's appropriate to impose greater penalties when someone has violated a position of trust, such as when a police officer uses his office to perpetrate a crime. However, the issuance of a CHL permit is simply an administrative process to recognize a state-recognized right that is tantamount to, say, the issuance of a driver's license. We don't punish licensed drivers more severely than unlicensed drivers, and I don't see any reason to differentiate the case of a CHL permit holder who acts illegally.

If the story is being reported accurately, the jerk who shot the kid should pay a heavy price for such a horrible act.

 

[conhntr]

im with everyone else in "no" however ANY felony conviction should include revocation of the permit.

 

[TexasRifleman]

im with everyone else in "no" however ANY felony conviction should include revocation of the permit.

Any felony conviction negates the Second Amendment completely for that person anywayso revoking the permit doesn't matter really.


But it would be revoked for sure under current Texas law.

 

[Sam1911]

im with everyone else in "no" however ANY felony conviction should include revocation of the permit.

Kind of moot. A felony conviction will include the loss of your rights to TOUCH a gun, so having a permit to carry one would be kind of pointless.

 

[wishin]

I'd want to be on the jury "of his peers". My justice meted out for "one of our own" would surely meet a higher standard! Fry the bastard.

 

[ArmedBear]

Should people with gun permits be held to a higher standard of care?

What he did can and should get him life in prison, and IMO a long drop on a short rope. He murdered someone in cold blood.

What "higher standard" is there? How does the permit make a difference?

 

[cambeul41]

CHL holders should be treated no differently from anyone else

One news report.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/6896633.html

 

[berettashotgun]

To single out an individual or group for different punishment is against our laws. RE: hate crimes against gays or ethnic or religious or.........whatever.
I don't actually want to admit it, but as I've gotten older I realized if you have enough money and can limit public exposure - your pretty much home free.
Case of a Senators daughter DUI manslaughter here in OK seems to drive that point home. No time served for killing a person. Wow.
Different punishment for different people - been happening since the invention of money.

 

[Occam's Razor]

If by "higher standard of care" you mean we should expect better of them than than we expect of others: Arguments could be made either way.

If by "higher standard of care" you mean there should be stiffer penalties for committing a crime involving a gun: Absolutely Not!

Isn't one of our basic tenets in this country that everyone should be treated equally under the law.

Fourteenth Amendment Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Wouldn't that preclude statutorily prescribing different penalties for different people convicted of the same crime?

 

[DoubleTapDrew]

So if he was carrying illegally he'd be held to the "normal" murder/hit & run standard but since he was carrying legally he should get in more trouble? No.

Bad situation and he should hang/fry. He's a murderer. The fact he had a CHL is moot. I don't really agree with the officer's decision to get in a car chase with her 13 year old in the car (and what was her plan after passing him? roadblock with her daughter in the car?)

 

[The Bushmaster]

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[hso]

“In any case, you have two families' lives that are destroyed.”

Would you add penalites for clergy or social workers or mothers in this case? Of course not. It's not logical. Then why add any for a CHL holder.

 

[oasis618]

Nope.