I am FOR confiscation

[Josey]

I know. I have a family member who is an alcholic. Her son is a drunk, her nephew lives at her house and he is a drug abuser/drunk. Her daughter is pregnant by her drugdealer boyfriend. He is in jail after a drug sweep. These fine members of the community used to be decent. When my family member was straight she was a registered rspiratory technician and shift supervisor. She had several 357 Magnum handguns and at least two ARs. I have a feeling that the drug dealers are well armed. I believe that it would be better if those weapons HAD been confiscated.:banghead:

 

[gabeodog]

If the drug dealer bofriend is in jail, then there are no weapons in the hands of drug dealers.
If they are in that bad a shape they will need money soon.
offer to buy the weapons. Pretty sure you could get then cheap.

 

[whm1974]

The drugdealing boyfriend probably has weapons of his own. But as gabeodog says offer to buy the weapons from your family member.

-Bill

 

[Graystar]

I believe that it would be better if those weapons HAD been confiscated

What, exactly, makes you think that they still wouldn't have weapons?

 

[Zundfolge]

She had several 357 Magnum handguns and at least two ARs. I have a feeling that the drug dealers are well armed. I believe that it would be better if those weapons HAD been confiscated.

So if guns are confiscated then we'll be unarmed when your drug dealing relations come calling (who procured new firearms via the thriving black market).

 

[Josey]

What initiated this post was my offer to buy the firearms. I figured they might be desperate to bail out the drugdealer boyfriend. The "adult" family member had given the firearms to her daughter. She gave them to her drugdealer boyfriend. Who knows who he gave them to. Legally purchased weapons are now on the street. 357 Magnum snubbies and two pre-ban ARs. Shotguns too.

 

[capt. Nemo]

Why penalize me?

Why would you want to confiscate MY guns (or those of any other responsible gunowner) because of the irresponsibility of the bunch you described in your original post. If your "family member" got a bellyful of busthead and caused an automobile accident would you want the government to come and confiscate my car keys?

I know of a guy in Houston that, in a severe depression, took a 6" kitchen knife and sent his father to his reward. If somebody had just confiscated those damned knives...

 

[Spot77]

I'm sure Josey didn't mean confiscate EVERYBODY'S guns, just the alcoholics and drug addicted people in question.

Of course, it sounds to ne like Josey should've gone over there and snatched those puppies up before they got into the wrong hands.

I'm a great armchair, Monday morning quarterback.

 

[aguyindallas]

People like that are usually in dire need for cash. I would try to buy them from them. You will likely get a great price AND get the guns out of their hands without the cops taking them.

 

[Don Gwinn]

Read before posting, please.

Josey, I don't know what to tell you. You see one example of bad people who have guns, and you're ready for confiscation? OK, but as a good faith effort, maybe you should turn yours in first.

 

[TearsOfRage]

What exactly are you suggesting?

Confiscating guns from anyone whose relative or friend has been convicted of a crime? How are you going to define 'relative or friend', or do you mean from anyone who used to live with someone convicted of a crime?

Confiscating guns from anyone who drinks or does drugs? Since alcohol isn't illegal and many drug users have never gotten caught, this would require constant drug and alcohol testing of all gun owners, which would require registration of all gun owners.

How are you going to keep guns from getting "on the street" (whatever that means)? Ban private sales? Require a background check (and drug and alcohol testing) for all sales?

 

[Josey]

The family member is disabled and on SSI. My thought is that diagnosed depressed, alcoholic and drug abusing SSI disabled furearms owners should have their firearms confiscated. They sure can't pass a NICS check, honestly. They should lose what they already have.

 

[Zundfolge]

My thought is that diagnosed depressed, alcoholic and drug abusing SSI disabled furearms owners should have their firearms confiscated. They sure can't pass a NICS check, honestly. They should lose what they already have.

So how do you plan on doing this?

Guns are not registered in most of America, so the only way to know people have guns that need to be confiscated is to register them ... sorry but gun registration is one of my thresholds for revolt.

Thing is, if someone can't pass an NICS check and they are found with firearms (even if they could have legally bought them back when they did) they will be confiscated at that time and the person charged with felony possession of a firearm.


It would be nice if there was some magic way to remove firearms from those who would do bad things with them but unfortunately there is no way to do it without violating everyone's rights.

 

[atek3]

legalize drugs. That would put drug dealers out of business. thus 'drug dealers with guns' would cease to be a problem.

atek3

 

[TearsOfRage]

I'll have to make it a point NOT to get medical help for my depression then...

 

[FPrice]

Josey...

I don't want to come across as conndescending or anything like that, but I can feel your pain. I have had some minor experience with similar situations.

However I disagee with government confiscation (unless a crime is committed). I feel that the best confiscation is family-generated. Caring family members removing said firearms and safeguarding them until the owners either return to their senses or are somehow declared totally unfit to exercise any freedom which requires the ability to act responsibly.

I am not saying it's easy. Many things in life are not easy but it used to be that family took care or one another.

 

[sturmruger]

Boy that is a tought one. I think what Josey is saying is that she is now poor so she probably traded her guns for drugs!!

That sucks it would have been better if they were confiscated, but i wouldn't want them to confiscate your guns just because you are poor or like to drink. That is a little to arbitrary.

 

[gunsmith]

I have a drunk in the family as well

As soon as my dad died she grabbed his guns and ran to her drunk husband so I know how you feel.
Lucky for me I haven't spoken to her for 20 yrs and she don't know where I live and viceversa-all I know is that she is on the East coast and I am in Cali.
If you know of someone has drugs and guns in the same house and you are worried that they may be dangerous you can allways call your local Jack Boots, it's a Federal crime to have any illicit drugs and a gun at the same time.

Lots of other Countrys have total gun control and the bad guys have guns,not people like you.!

-cheer up! Going to something like Al Anon and dealing with your family issues would be better then punishing the entire world because your family isn't perfect.

 

[benEzra]

My thought is that diagnosed depressed, alcoholic and drug abusing SSI disabled furearms owners should have their firearms confiscated. They sure can't pass a NICS check, honestly. They should lose what they already have.

SSI disability classification as a reason to confiscate firearms? My 5-year-old son meets the criteria for SSI disability (although he does not receive any SSI benefits) because of his congenital heart disease, immune deficiency, and speech/motor delays. So, you're saying that if he arrives at adulthood with anything other than full cardiac function, normal T-cell counts, or perfect speech, it could be used as a criterion for barring him from gun ownership?

Depression is not grounds for gun confiscation. Lots of people become depressed as a result of major life changes and do not become suicidal--and depression is NOT generally an indicator of risk for gun crime. If depression were ever made grounds for loss of firearms rights, then half of all depressives would probably stop seeking counseling or treatment.

Drug abuse is a felony, so abusing drugs is already grounds for confiscation under current law. You don't need to add the SSI disabled and/or depressive criteria.

 

[Josey]

The once legal purchaser/owner is an alcoholic. Not responsible. The firearms ARE already on the streets. If a friend had had his firearms taken from him, he wouldn't be dead from a self-inflicted wound. The other side is that if sex was not a driving force in his life, he might not have met the woman he killed himself over.

 

[Garrum]

If a friend had had his firearms taken from him, he wouldn't be dead from a self-inflicted wound.

So it would have been impossible for your friend to have killed himself another way? If you had taken his guns away, then he would have been prevented from hopping out a window, or jumping onto a busy freeway?