I bought a JLD PTR-91 HK Clone,

[Onmilo]

WOW!
I had my reservations having had to deal with some of the really odd 91 and Cetme 58 clones coming out of Century and Federal Arms but I bit and man I am IMPRESSED with the PTR-91.
This is an American made CLONE of the original German H&K 91.
Fit, Finish, functioning are identical or better than the original.

These guns had some teething pains during start up but rest assured they problems have been corrected.

I fired 200 rounds last night, no issues and better accuracy, as advertised, than the original H&K 91.
I have fired several originals so I do have a basis for comparison.

The barrel is heavier than the original, my rifle has a flash hider that is blind pinned to the barrel.
No bayonet lug but who cares?
The flash hider is effective and it didn't fall off or become loose nor does it affect accuracy, this rifle can shoot.
The rifle isn't sub minute match grade, at least not yet, but I didn't expect it to be, no disappointment there.
Portugese and South African stays within three inches at 100 meters and that works for me.
I know this rifle will do better with Match grade stuff but I didn't have any with me, next time.

I am seriously considering adding a German Hensholt(sic?) scope and claw mount to the gun since these are becoming available at reasonable prices and I may see just how well I can get this rifle to group.

If my wife finds the data sticks for the camara I may post some pictures if anybody has an interest.

If you are wanting an H&K 91 style rifle, don't want to spend two grand for an original but are willing to spend the extra money this rifle costs over the really cheap clones, consider buying one of these, I am happy with this choice.

 

[akviper]

FWIW. H & K didn't use a bayonet lug like most military rifles. There was a socket on the end of the cocking tube above the barrel. The bayonet had a stud on the end of the handle that fit into a spring loaded lock in the socket placing the bayonet handle above the barrel. The socket wasn't very noticeable. My 1974 H & K 93 had a simple removable plug in the end of the cocking tube. H & K sold the socket part as an optional "bayonet adapter". Of course I bought it and never used it once.

 

[Destructo6]

Glad you are happy with your purchase. That's been pretty consistent with the JLD guns.

There's at least two different types of HK bayonet. Both fit above the barrel. One, as mentioned above, uses and adaptor that replaces the cocking tube end cap. The other has the adaptor built into the pommel of the bayonet, as such:

 

[nordaim]

I would be interested in seeing pictures. I am considering going the PTR-91 for my EBR and would love more information. There are few reviews and the info on here has not quite filled my curiotity.

 

[Dread Pirate 257 Roberts]

My gunsmith has spoke favorably of the JLD PTR-91's on a couple of occasions. He's one of very few people I've learned to listen to about guns.

 

[Destructo6]

Furious Styles, that's the type that requires an adaptor. The adaptor replaces the cocking tube end cap in the triple frame, as such:

 

[Billy Sparks]

I got one of JLD carbines. If it ever stops raining on the weekends I am going to try to shoot it. To me the fit and finish is superb. The biggest thing is that when other people realize the quality and value of them I image the supply will go down and price will go up. Remember that lecture about supply and demand in econ class??

 

[Onmilo]

If the serial number on my rifle is any indication of production figures, there are only a couple thousand of these rifles on the market right now,,,,,

 

[imyerboogeyman]

How much are these going for?

 

[ShootAndHunt]

I have such a rifle and it is good. The only thing I complain is that I cannot get the rear sight height adjusted. Even in the lowest setting it is still hit about 8 inchs high at 100 yds. I bought a rear sight adjustment tool but it seems not work. This is a little frustrating.

 

[Feanaro]

Boogey: depends on the model but you can find standard PTRs for around $650-800. $650-700 would be a steal, $800 seems to be more typical.

http://www.jldenter.com/

 

[Onmilo]

My rifle hits a little less than two inches high at 100 meters, easy enough to correct with 'kentucky windage' but I ordered an adjustment tool anyway.

If you have bottomed the sight out and the gun still shoots 8" high you can,
A. send the gun back and JLD will readjust or replace the rear sight.
B. use a diamond needle file to open the bottom of the 100 meter apeture so that you naturally lower the front sight post in the apeture.
Pass the file through the apeture a couple or three cuts at a time and shoot until the point of impact is correct. HTH

 

[Tankcommander]

My PTR

I bought one back in Dec. The standard version is very accurate and I had no problem adjusting the rear sight. I used a pair of fine needle nose plyers.
There are a set of pins that hold the sight if the are compressed at the same time the sight turns about a fifth to a quarter turn to the next detent. Its $21.00 for the tool I already had the plyers. Then follow the directions left or right to raise or lower point of impact.

I love my PTR I'll attach before and after pictures. I replaced the green plastic furniture with Surplus refinished wood.

 

[cosmonick]

Onmilo,
Congrats on your purchase! I'll be curious to hear what kind of groups you get with match ammo. 3" @ 100 yards is great for surplus ammo, so I'll bet you'll have great results.

Tankcommander,
Your PTR is incredibly sharp! A semi-auto 308 is very high on my list and I really like the HK design. I have read that they really made the PTR a lot easier to disassemble than the original HKs, is this true?

Mo

 

[MoeMentum]

Those are great rifles. I will be buying one sometime this summer.

 

[Tankcommander]

Cosmonick, I never had the chance to disassemble a real HK but the PTR is a snap. Pop out the rear pins pull off the stock and guide rod assembly and be careful because the pistol grip will just fall off. A small tug on the charging handle gets the bolt group moving. The only tricky part is puting the bolt back on, it needs to twist on just right. Following the directions in the PTR manual helps. Easier then a Ruger MK 11 or an M2HB 50 cal thats for sure.

TC

 

[Onmilo]

PTR diassembles exactly the same as an H&K 91.
All parts but the forearm interchange.
The Forearm from an H&K 91/G3 can be used if it is modified by widening the rear flange area, this is because the PTR barrel is thicker and heavier than the standard H&K 91.

Problems in diassembly come with the parts guns made up from surplus mated to reproduction receivers that were poorly formed.
The cast aluminum receiver guns are the worst of the worst.
Don't buy either of these if you want a decent rifle.

 

[cosmonick]

TC,
Easier than the MKII is good, that little pistol can give me fits

Onmilo,
That makes sense about the parts guns. My next rifle is a CMP M1, but shortly after is an SA 308. As far as HK style rifle, I'm really torn between the JLD and Ohio Rapid Fire.

Mo

 

[Destructo6]

Here's a good page for HK roller gun disassembly/reassembly:

http://www.mg-42.net/G3_diss.htm

 

[Tankcommander]

Destructo thanks for the link looks like a great site added it to my favorites.

TC

 

[Gunz]

Cabela's had one for $750. Taxes and fees, it is about $800 out the door. What surprised me is the fact Cabela's had one. I have been looking around a good bit, and some shops do not even order them for me locally.

In any event, I am happy with mine. I almost wasted money on an AR10 or Bushmaster 308. Those things run around $1300-1500. THen I saw one for about 60% of those prices, and I had to buy it.

I am a happy owner of thte JLD stuff. Hell, I may even go buy another one, since they are such solid rifles.

 

[Father Knows Best]

I bought one about six months ago -- serial number 7xx. It was used but in like-new condition. The original owner said he had only put about 50 rounds through it, and it looks like it. It came with 10 new German 20 round mags, nine of which were still in their original packaging. He also threw in a hard case and 950 rounds of surplus ammo (the balance of the 1,000 he'd bought with it). I paid him $700 for everything.

It's a sweet rifle. I've since added a surplus sling and claw-type scope mount, and an inexpensive 3-9x scope (will upgrade that later as $ permits). The only issue I have with it is the trigger -- it's extremely heavy with a lot of creep. Of course, that's not uncommon for a battle rifle, but I'd still like to get it improved.

Does anyone know of a 'smith who would do a good trigger job on one of these? My local 'smiths won't touch it (they do AR type rifles and hunting guns only).

 

[Onmilo]

There is a guy here in Illinois from the Decatur-Springfield area, calls himself William's Trigger Specialties.
I have heard numerous and very good things about his ability to clean up Military Triggers.
He stones and rehardens the original parts to an excellent crisp pull weight.

William's Trigger Specialties
111 SE Second Street
Atwood, Illinois 61913

217-578-3026

http://www.williamstriggers.com

 

[El Tejon]

Had a FAL years ago and sent it to Williams. He does great work.

Good to hear these weapons are doing so well. I had reservations, but now I am delighted. The fact that these weapons drive the Lefties nuts is a bonus.

 

[buzz_knox]

I've thought about getting one of these, either the full size or the para model.