I bought a JLD PTR-91 HK Clone,

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What's up with these G3 clones and CETME's not having the regular magazine catch lever like the AK?

The BATFE. The G3 has one, as well as a trigger guard that is pinned in place. But the Almighty Overlords say this makes the rifle easy to convert to full auto, so you have to chop the "rabbit ears" off the trigger group and install a shelf on the receiver to hold the trigger guard and prevent an original from being installed. The shelf goes right where the paddle would be.

You can reinstall one with a little bit of work. Or a lot. Some receivers have a solid metal block where the paddle would go.
 
Evil Monkey said:
What's up with these G3 clones and CETME's not having the regular magazine catch lever like the AK?
Blame it on BATFE. The G3 has a proper paddle-style mag release, almost identical to the one used on the AK. Unfortunately, the pin that retains the paddle also connects the lower receiver to the upper. It's the lower that holds the FCG, or course, but unlike the AR platform, the upper receiver is the "firearm" under US law.

The result is that at one time you could legally import or buy a semiauto version of the G3, and separately buy a full auto (or select fire) FCG, and the full auto parts would simply drop in. That's not kosher under U.S. law. So the BATFE mandated that any G3 type rifle (at the time, the only one was the H&K model 91) had to have the upper modified in a way that made it impossible to attach a full auto lower. The way H&K accomplished this was to remove the pin that retains the lower and replace it with a ledge. Semiauto lowers now "clip" onto the ledge on semiauto upper, and full auto FCG parts won't fit in a semiauto lower.

A side effect of removing that pin and replacing it with a ledge is that the paddle mag release now had nothing to retain it. H&K took the cheap and easy engineering solution of just substituting a push button. As you've noted, it is an ergonomic nightmare.

You can have a paddle mag release installed on a PTR-91, HK 91 or CETME, but it's expensive. The parts and work, including refinishing, will run $200-300. As iamkris noted, the Tac-Latch is a less expensive drop-in alternative, and I have one on my PTR-91. The last I looked, a Tac-Latch sold for around $40. The paddle on a Tac-Latch moves side-to-side instead of back-to-front, but it does make mag changes a lot quicker and easier than the stock push button, and it's a lot less expensive than a true paddle mag conversion.
 
lencac, chill out. You made the comparison of the cost of a PTR-91 to the cost of an AK or SKS. I simply pointed out that it wasn't a reasonable comparison, because they are different classes of rifles, with different purposes and capabilities. I'm not here to debate whether the G3 and clones are superior to the M-14 and clones or any other rifle. I have a PTR-91, and I consider it to be a fine rifle. I also own an M1A, several Garands, and an FAL. All are also fine rifles, with their own strengths and weaknesses. They are also all comparable in price, though in fact my PTR-91 cost me a lot less ($700) than my M1A ($1200) or my FAL ($1400).
 
I'm sorry ........ I'm chilled out :eek: The PTR is a fine firearm and the heavy barrel also makes a very nice fireplace poker :neener:
 
I can and do shoot M1A rifles and my PTR-91 side by side all the time.
I solved the recoil issue by adding a slip on limbsaver small recoil pad on my rifle, very comfy to shoot now.

I prefer my M1A BUSH rifle for hunting and I still drag out my NM M1A for Match shooting.

If I had to grab one .308 rifle for SHTF it would be the PTR-91

Like I said, the G3 type rifles are the AKMs of FULL POWER battle rifles and are just as "ergonomic"!:D
 
Regarding the ammo comments on the last page, I still have about 3000 rounds of SA ammo. I don't think I'll stop shooting SA in my PTR any time soon. I'll just have make sure I clean the chamber thoroughly. I have never had ammo troubles with the PTR or the M1A.

:) If I could get someone to pay me $75 per pack for it, I might sell it and buy new, but I doubt it would be worth the trouble.

I have shot my M1A and PTR side by side. The M1A is smoother on recoil and has more precise iron sights, IMO. I am working on shooting the PTR right now though. I got a stock extension my for PTR that has helped me with the recoil. I can keep it firmly on my shoulder and I don't feel like the receiver is right in front of my eye. The original length of pull is a bit short for me with that kind of recoil. The length doesn't bother me for AK's.
 
Mechag94 brings up a couple of more points about the length and the iron sights. All these things add up to the inescapable fact that the HK/PTR series rifles are not the complete battle rifle that the M1A is. Yes, the M1A is an upgraded M1 Garand, but is that a bad thing? As opposed to the HK/PTR are derrived from the old MP 44 series also of WW II era. Don't get me wrong, I would not stand in front of either and if pitted against some SKS or AK thing at any real distance it is a foregone conclusion. The guy with the commie block firearm will die ....... of course that's if the SHTF ........... I pray it does not but as time goes by ............... Give me good ole' American engineered and built firearms any day.
 
Well, my mentioning the sights is just acknowledging that the M1A has some of the best iron sights you can get. The PTR's iron sights are not necessarily bad at all. They are certainly a big step up from the normal AK sights.

Someone with a smaller/shorter stature might not have an issue with the PTR's length of pull. Even I could shoot it okay with the standard stock, but I was distracted by the closeness of the receiver and tended to lean my head further back. Does anyone know if the retractable stocks extend longer than the standard fixed stock?
 
Stock Options

MechAg94,
The collapsable A3 stock is a little longer than the standard 10" fixed stock. However, you have a few options if you want a longer LOP.
1. There are also 10 3/4" fixed stocks. http://www.e-gunparts.com/DisplayAd.asp?chrProductSKU=1046990&chrSuperSKU=&MC=
2. You can add an HK 21 butt pad.
3. The Magpul PRS with the thicker butt pad. http://www.magpul.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=70_88_115&products_id=252
4. Add an ACE stock, folding or fixed, and get the M4 collapsable look. http://riflestocks.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=69
5. put on an ACE receiver block ( http://riflestocks.com/catalog/prod...d=251&osCsid=64284a4c65dd3ee6371de5b9f11f8f6e ) and then add a Magpul CTR stock ( http://www.magpul.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=70_73_110&products_id=234 )
Hope this helps.
Lanyard
 
Where do you guys buy magazines at?

Does it really ruin the brass?

A picture you will all enjoy. This is Zimbabwe in 1986. As you may know, the country formerly known as Rhodesia was renamed Zimbabwe and communist terrorists confiscated land from rich white farmers. Here are two farmers that armed themselves:(

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Yeah, super photo!.
Magazines are available about everywhere, Millions upon millions were produced for these rifles.
I usually buy mine at CDNN
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They can be bought for as little as $2.00 each for aluminum in quantity.
And yes, G3 type rifles pretty well destroy the cartridge cases.
Doesn't matter much to me because the rifles tend to eject the brass about twenty five feet forward of the firing position and I don't care to go hiking and searching anymore.
 
I've been thinking about buying a PTR-91 myself. However, I don't have any experience with the G3 and I had a couple of questions.

1) Does the bolt lock back on the last round fired? If so, does it fly shut if you remove the empty magazine, or does it stay locked open until you after you have inserted a loaded magazine and tap the charging handle to shut it.

2) Does PTR chrome line their bores and chambers?

3) Can you easily access the rollers for the delayed roller blow back action to make sure they are clean and lubed?

Thanks.
 
Is it only me or does the G3 always looks so bad ass! I mean I like the FAL's ergonomics alot better than the G3 and would find it more practical but I wouldn't be surprised if I got a G3/CETME first. I like that green one but I'd prefer it all black. :evil:
 
Hauptman, the nature of the locking system won't accommodate a bolt hold open device.

The rollers are readily accessible by removing the butt assembly, and pulling the bolt/carrier assembly from the rifle.

The bores are not chrome lined.

These are a great rifle for what any of us is likely to do with one, which is target shooting, plinking, or occasional hunting (with 5 round magazines). They are heavy to carry, however.

This is a photo of mine. It is basically a stock PTR91 with some additions and a Bill Springfield trigger job.

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My PTR dents the side of the brass. I don't know if there is any way to soften that or not. My brother was going to try to reload some. I am mostly shooting non-reloadable SA .308 anyway.
 
Stubbi that's a super nice PTR. Wish I knew where to get a wide forearm for mine. Nice butt stock too .... looks expensive. I also have a Stang mount and mil-spec "optical sight" Works rather well. Hey Mech, Mine doesn't dent the brass ..... it demolishes it! Somebody makes a buffer that fits on the thing somehow so it doesn't do that. Looking at the brass after ejection and in light of how far it throws the brass it appears to be a pretty violent ejection process. I'm thinking 2 times tops to use brass from it. The brass supply for me is my M1A brass that has been cycled 6 times from it. Then I give it a final send-off from the PTR .... never to be seen again.
P.S. Stubbi is the wide forearm from a 93?
 
If I get a PTR-91, can I shoot super cheap Wolf or Barnaul steel-cased ammo through it?
 
My PTR-91KP is my favorite rifle and it has been since I bought it a couple of years ago. Some folks complain about how difficult the roller rifles are to clean, I shoot mine with SA surplus - no problem.
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