Tankcommander
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Go for it they are great rifles. 
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I bought a JLD PTR-91 HK Clone,
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I also purchased a JLD PTR 91 some time ago, paid $700. They list for about $1300 now I think on JLD's web site. I have shoot several hundred rounds through it and thus far it functions fine. Being as I didn't need to get tendenitis from the 13lb trigger I did send it to Williams Trigger to be reworked. They replaced the curved shoe with a straight one, replaced a worn hammer and reworked to whole thing to a nice crisp 5 lb pull. They do nice work (also had them do my M1 Carbine same very nice result). The whole job cost $140, well worth it. I have shot some handloads from it with the Mil-spec SchuBrichtung claw mount and the 4x Hensoldt/Wetzler optical sight. Am getting 1.5 MOA @ 100 yrds. off the bench using Remington 150 gr. FMJ, Cavim cases, CCI 200 primers and 44 gr. Varget. Also purchased a SchuBrichtung claw mount with all one piece 30 mm rings so as to be able to mount a more capable scope. The problem is the cocking handle will not fully lock open due to it interfering with the front of the scope. I suppose I could get a little shorter scope but I already have this one. Does anyone make a "turned down" cocking handle? Here's a couple of pics.
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I'd also add that if you have a PTR 91KF, as I do, you can use an HK93 wide forearm with the tiniest amount of alteration. The 91 wide forearm is too long. A very small amount of material needs to be ground off the forearm right where it meets with the mag well. A chimp could do it with a Dremel. That said, the metal forearm stock is a real piece of work, almost too nice to use, all set for adding rails if desired.
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Thanks Mech. As a note and observation it seemed to me that this firearm actually flys 150 gr. bullets a bit better than the the 168 gr. or 175 gr. I thought this kind of odd. So I contacted JLD about it. The barrels are twisted 1/12 not 1/10 as one might think. The gunsmith at JLD informed me that the firearm was intended to use mil-spec .308/7.62 NATO ammo. Quite possibly the 1/12 twist rate of the barrel does not want to stablize the heavy bullets as well as the 150 gr. FYI.
Thanks for that information. When I contacted PTR back in May and spoke with JD he mentione that both .308Win and .762 NATO were fine to fire from the PTR he didn't mention that preference. Of course, I didn't ask
FYI, he did mention that some ammo should be avoided: South African (sealed with tar that gunks up the flutes), Midway 7.56x51 NATO, Austrian, Indian and Cavim. He also said that they were impressed with the Portuguese stuff and that they used American Eagle and Winchester on their test range.
Hi Storm. They did mention to me also about the different ammo. I think that might be a concern if a person would be shooting many, many rds. through it without cleaning. I have shot much South African and other types without a hitch. But having said that I don't think I have ever shot more than about 80 rds. through it at any one time without throughly cleaning it.
I still own my rifle.
That 150 grain, 168 grain, 1 in 10 twist verses 1 in 12 twist is pretty much the same as the 1 in 12 verses 1 in 9 verses 1 in 7 twist argument with the 5.56 NATO/.223 rifles.
168 grain bullets wok fine in my rifle, they just won't group to gilt edge accuracy standards that a 1 in 10 twist would offer. Big deal.
I don't consider a standard type G3 rifle as a sniper rifle anymore than I would consider an AKM as a sniper rifle.
If 168 grain bulleted ammunition is all I have on hand I would not hesitate on shooting it but I won't spend the extra money on heavy bullet Match loads for this rifle if I don't have to.
Portugese is great ammo for these rifles but is all but dried up for now.
Right now I shoot mostly Winchester/USA 147 grain NATO ammunition because I lucked into several cases for a very good price.
I have had problems with South African 7.62 NATO failing to function properly.
Chinese steel case 7.62 works quite well in my rifle for the limited amount I shot through it.
That 150 grain, 168 grain, 1 in 10 twist verses 1 in 12 twist is pretty much the same as the 1 in 12 verses 1 in 9 verses 1 in 7 twist argument with the 5.56 NATO/.223 rifles.
168 grain bullets wok fine in my rifle, they just won't group to gilt edge accuracy standards that a 1 in 10 twist would offer. Big deal.
I don't consider a standard type G3 rifle as a sniper rifle anymore than I would consider an AKM as a sniper rifle.
If 168 grain bulleted ammunition is all I have on hand I would not hesitate on shooting it but I won't spend the extra money on heavy bullet Match loads for this rifle if I don't have to.
Portugese is great ammo for these rifles but is all but dried up for now.
Right now I shoot mostly Winchester/USA 147 grain NATO ammunition because I lucked into several cases for a very good price.
I have had problems with South African 7.62 NATO failing to function properly.
Chinese steel case 7.62 works quite well in my rifle for the limited amount I shot through it.
JD's concern went to overpowered rounds some of which to his knowledge had done some pretty serious damage to other guns that he was aware of.
I stick pretty much to Wolf, S&B, American Eagle and Winchester. I see risking a thousand dollar gun to be a poor risk. Maybe over time it adds up, but so do the odds against you
But, what a great rifle!
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Hell of a gun, I had a Nikon ProStaff 3x9 on the B-Square mount and a clamp-on bipod.
OK, where does one find a wide forearm for this thing. Interesting Storm, hadn't considered the SA ammo from the overpowering aspect. Good info to keep in mind although moot at this point due to the fact I no longer have any SA ammo nor know where to get any. So I guess I'll keep loading my own mil-spec ammo. It does beat the hell out of the cases though. Any way around that? I've been using the brass from my M1A as a last use from the PTR.
vanfunk
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The PTR-91 is an excellent rifle. In fact, based on my experience with my DSA FAL and Springfield M1A, it would be my choice of battle rifle if the balloon ever went up. I just plain don't understand the usual complaints about ergonomics (fits me fine) or the awkwardness of the cocking handle and tube, etc. My favorite gripe is that the cocking tube is easily damaged, thus rendering the gun hor's de combat. It would take a SERIOUS fall to damage the cocking tube on a PTR (or HK91); certainly an injury of sufficient force to do that would also damage a FAL's gas tube, or an AK's, etc. The PTR is one rugged piece of gear, plain and simple, with extraordinary accuracy and reliability. As much as my M1A is the sentimental favorite (I really do want to think it's a better battle rifle), I just have to admit to myself (and to you, apparently!) that the PTR is a better battle rifle. There, I said it.
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Double tap! Sorry
I guess I just don't understand sometimes. Why would someone spend a $1000 or more and a quality firearm for a "plinker" If I wanted a "plinker" I would spend $250 on a SKS or AK piece of junk and call that good. The name of the game is ACCURACY, without it your just another taliban wannabe. I was at the range Saturday with several National Guardsmen. They had just recently come back from Afganistan. These guys were resighting in their .308 Rem 700"s and what do you think was the nature of their journey to the firingline? ACCURACY! These cats were printing sub-MOA @ 100 yrds. with military ammo! Ringing the gong at 650 yrds! I have had many very nice firearms that dod not shoot to the level I expected. I got rid of them. The name of the game is ACCURACY. That's why when I will post pics of the groups a particular firearm has shot. Besides that's where the fun is at. Working with and finding what a particular firearm is capable of. In all honesty is my PTR as accurate as my NM M1A or my 03s ..... no. To date the best I have got is 1.5 MOA ..... that's not too bad but I know with some time and patience it has 1 MOA groups in it.
lencac, some people just like the rifle for what it is. It is a highly functional/effective rifle. There are many things that make a rifle effective, and accuracy is just one of them. Regardless, 1 to 3 MOA accuracy from a stock battle rifle is very respectable among its peers.
Yes. But they don't give you 1-3 MOA from a stock rifle either. And I have three AKs (VEPR, Saiga, SLR95), so I'm not a AK-hater or a PTR-phile. Some people just like the HK91/G3/PTR type rifle and want to own one.
I'm actually really leaning towards buying a PTR this winter, but the only thing that has me on the fence at the moment is ammo. .308 surplus is rarer than hens teeth at the moment. Compare that to 7.62x39 and .223, which can still be had for 20-25 cents per round. The rifle is expensive, but it will be a darn good shooter and at least mags and parts are cheap.
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More like a third the cost, but that's beside the point. The AK and SKS are not battle rifles -- they are semiauto assault rifles. You can't compare them to battle rifles any more than you can compare a Honda Ridgeline (look it up) to a dually Ford or Chevy.lencac said:
And in any case, the PTR-91 is easily capable of 2 MOA. Mine is, anyway. My Arsenal milled AK (SA M-7S) cost almost as much as my PTR-91, and can't match the PTR in either accuracy or range.
Yeah and the Arsenal AK is really the best of the best of everything I have handled so far in AK type rifles.
A good G3 rifle is the AK of full power battle rifles.
The only Com-Bloc weapon that even comes close is the Dragunov, real ones not the Romanian sorta-clone.
Real genuine Dragunovs run $3500.00 and up right now and that way overexceeds the prices of the PTR rifles.
A good G3 rifle is the AK of full power battle rifles.
The only Com-Bloc weapon that even comes close is the Dragunov, real ones not the Romanian sorta-clone.
Real genuine Dragunovs run $3500.00 and up right now and that way overexceeds the prices of the PTR rifles.
The AK and SKS are not battle rifles -- they are semiauto assault rifles.
Really, WOW, Regular fountain of info.
Everyone wants to mention a bunch of inconsequenctial facts that are already obvious facts. Here's one that no one has mentioned. Recoil. The PTR has an inordinate amount of recoil for the round it shoots. Not even comparable to the M1A. The PTR is heavy too. For that matter in the hands the M1A feels like a fine women. The PTR feels like a sloppy crack addicted whore. The PTR is ok, but its no M1A not to mention a NM M1A. NO comparison, hands down M1A looks better, feels better, shoots better and you can actually reload the brass multiple times after it comes out of an M1A. Anyone who says they think different is just kidding themselves or has never had the opportunity to shoot them both side by side.
Really, WOW, Regular fountain of info.
Everyone wants to mention a bunch of inconsequenctial facts that are already obvious facts. Here's one that no one has mentioned. Recoil. The PTR has an inordinate amount of recoil for the round it shoots. Not even comparable to the M1A. The PTR is heavy too. For that matter in the hands the M1A feels like a fine women. The PTR feels like a sloppy crack addicted whore. The PTR is ok, but its no M1A not to mention a NM M1A. NO comparison, hands down M1A looks better, feels better, shoots better and you can actually reload the brass multiple times after it comes out of an M1A. Anyone who says they think different is just kidding themselves or has never had the opportunity to shoot them both side by side.
iamkris
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You won't make any friends here with an attitude like that.
and you won't make friends with Art's Grandmaw with language like that.
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What's up with these G3 clones and CETME's not having the regular magazine catch lever like the AK?
I handled a CETME once and couldn't reach the button with my index finger like an AR15. No CETME or PTR I've seen ever came with the AK style mag catch.
I was think about getting a CETME and turn it into a marksman rifle but this problem turned me away from them. I think I'll get a FAL instead.
I handled a CETME once and couldn't reach the button with my index finger like an AR15. No CETME or PTR I've seen ever came with the AK style mag catch.
I was think about getting a CETME and turn it into a marksman rifle but this problem turned me away from them. I think I'll get a FAL instead.
iamkris
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The best solution to the "unreachable magaszine catch" on G3/PTR line is the Tac Latch. Will run you about $50 and 10 minutes of your time to install.
I just put one on my PTR-91 and it makes mag changes much easier.
Now if someone would just come up with a better safety selector that was reachable with normal sized thumbs.
And I agree, the FAL has better ergonomics for my...nearly equal to an AR.
El Tejon
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iamkris, run on your thumbs more like the rest of us primates.
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