Texasbagman
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^ explain please.
I CANNOT believe you can't open carry in texas
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Open carry was one of the main reasons I moved from Texas to Idaho.
Admittedly I may be a bit influenced about an attempt at english by a friend of my mom's while on vacation in Honduras...
"The good guys have their weapons out in the open."
In some twisted way, this makes more sense to me than concealed carry.
Admittedly I may be a bit influenced about an attempt at english by a friend of my mom's while on vacation in Honduras...
"The good guys have their weapons out in the open."
In some twisted way, this makes more sense to me than concealed carry.
In Michigan businesses can post whatever they want, they can refuse business to anyone, but posting something doesn't make it "illegal". I have noticed jewelry stores here that are posted no weapons (posted however they see fit, unlike the 30.06, which has specific criteria), and they have armed guards. I can carry into these places (jewelry store, bank, restraunt), they can tell me to leave. They can call the cops on me and I can get trespassing charge if it is shown that I refused to leave.
I just seems like if they post 30.06, I could be arguing prison time over font size!
I just seems like if they post 30.06, I could be arguing prison time over font size!
Texasbagman
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By making a sign requirement, Texas protected both the business owner and the CHL holder.
Before the sign requirement, there were a myriad of different signs being posted in oddwad locations. You never really knew if you were trespassing or not.
Now, the property owner can post if they wish, with the force of law, and the CHL holder is properly notified. If they still trespass onto the property, it is a misdemeanor, just like if you refused to leave for any other reason.
Before the sign requirement, there were a myriad of different signs being posted in oddwad locations. You never really knew if you were trespassing or not.
Now, the property owner can post if they wish, with the force of law, and the CHL holder is properly notified. If they still trespass onto the property, it is a misdemeanor, just like if you refused to leave for any other reason.
Art Eatman
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30.06 pertains only to CHL.
DougW
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simple, when the law was written, it just happened that Section 30 sub section 06 pertained to legal postings. That is why it is called "30.06" here in Texas. It is not a caliber, it is the ONLY legimate posting restricting concealed handguns on a posted premisis. The cities in Texas cannot use the 30.06 posting, because the Texas Legislature makes the laws concerning firearms. And the law is very specific.
Penalty for violating the 30.06 is criminal tresspass which is a misdemeanor here in Texas. There are fines and prison time included in a conviction. It is not up to the property owner, the city or the county, it is State that has written the law. And, if someone uses anything else as a posting, then it is invalid and the property owner is not serious about restricting CHL's on their property.
Penalty for violating the 30.06 is criminal tresspass which is a misdemeanor here in Texas. There are fines and prison time included in a conviction. It is not up to the property owner, the city or the county, it is State that has written the law. And, if someone uses anything else as a posting, then it is invalid and the property owner is not serious about restricting CHL's on their property.
EricTheBarbarian
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no open carry in texas or florida....... theres open carry in ohio but it doesnt mean they wont arrest you for it. It just so happens probably close to the 2 hottest states in the union you have to throw a coat or something over your carry piece. I dont live there but I dont think wearing a coat in florida or texas could be very comfortable.
Alphazulu6
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Yeah........ why would you want to open carry anyway? Is it that hard to get a CC permit in Texas?
DKSuddeth
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why open carry? dude, it's fricking HOT!! down here in the summer.
hard to get? don't know because I haven't been able to come up with the 265 dollars it would take to get it.
fairfax1
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Here ya go...
http://www.potomacnews.com/servlet/...icle&c=MGArticle&cid=1149189722963&path=!news
Centreville-area man robbed of handgun
A 21-year-old Centreville-area man was robbed while walking on Newton Patent Drive in Centreville, Fairfax County Police said.
About 4:10 a.m. Sunday, two suspects approached the victim from behind, and placed a metal object up to his head, said police.
The robbers took the man's handgun, which he was openly carrying, and ran away. He was not injured.
The robbers were described as black males wearing dark clothing.
Anyone with information about this incident or the robbers is asked to call Crime Solvers at 1-866-411-TIPS (8477) or the police non-emergency number at (703) 691-2131.
http://www.potomacnews.com/servlet/...icle&c=MGArticle&cid=1149189722963&path=!news
Centreville-area man robbed of handgun
A 21-year-old Centreville-area man was robbed while walking on Newton Patent Drive in Centreville, Fairfax County Police said.
About 4:10 a.m. Sunday, two suspects approached the victim from behind, and placed a metal object up to his head, said police.
The robbers took the man's handgun, which he was openly carrying, and ran away. He was not injured.
The robbers were described as black males wearing dark clothing.
Anyone with information about this incident or the robbers is asked to call Crime Solvers at 1-866-411-TIPS (8477) or the police non-emergency number at (703) 691-2131.
tulsamal
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We were the only two people anywhere around that dirt road. If you read the story in the link I provided, that's part of the reason I refused to take the Glock out of the holster and put it on the ground. (This is when I was already on my face in the gravel.) I didn't exactly think he would shoot me on purpose but he was so keyed up I was afraid he might fire as I drew the gun. Then I would be dead and he could just say I started drawing the gun. That's when I came up with the idea of just unsnapping the belt with my off hand and then rolling away from the whole thing. You would _think_ the cop would have thought of that.
So there were no witnesses. And I checked afterwards by going to the Sheriff's department and looking for myself. Their cars have no video cameras. They "hope" to get them someday.
When I came home that day and told my story to my wife, she was very upset.... at me. (She's Canadian. Something in the water.) "It was my fault for carrying the gun. The cop was just doing his job. You can't get a lawyer and sue them or everybody in this small town will see us as troublemakers. Promise you won't do anything about this." Etc, etc. I wasn't totally convinced to "let it alone" until I saw they didn't have cameras. Plus I had a "gun friend" who was a local lawyer and he went to the Sheriff's Dept. and asked about the incident. The Sheriff said he was listening to it on the radio when it happened and the Deputy was following their established procedures.
So I still feel a lot of resentment toward them but that's as far as it has gone.
Gregg
Vern Humphrey
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And how many people were struck by lightning on the same day?
Carl N. Brown
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Back in the fifties, a guy who had been in jail talked to me about
how criminals who wanted guns would "creep a cop"--sneak
up behind an officer and take his gun from the holster and run.
(See, there is a reason behind weapons retention training.)
Yes a criminal might take your gun, but that does not mean
there should be no open carry at all.
My argument for concealed carry is it gives you more response
options--if the situation does not warrant lethal force a
concealed weapon can remain concealed. But talking theoretics,
an open carry firearm may scare off an intended attack. It can
be argued both ways.
By the way, is potamacnews.com related to Potowmack Institute?
how criminals who wanted guns would "creep a cop"--sneak
up behind an officer and take his gun from the holster and run.
(See, there is a reason behind weapons retention training.)
Yes a criminal might take your gun, but that does not mean
there should be no open carry at all.
My argument for concealed carry is it gives you more response
options--if the situation does not warrant lethal force a
concealed weapon can remain concealed. But talking theoretics,
an open carry firearm may scare off an intended attack. It can
be argued both ways.
By the way, is potamacnews.com related to Potowmack Institute?
If I was a criminal and was going to take out a store. The Open Carry guys would be the first to go. Why? Because me being the criminal would Conceal MY gun. Walk around a bit, get an idea for who is OC'ing and take him out first.
It's just stupid to OC in a city anyway imo.
The only reason I'd want an OC law passed is so that I can be at Big Bend National Park openly carrying a .357mag or if I'm out at a small town ranch community etc. But to OC in Houston or Dallas etc is bogus imo.
It's just stupid to OC in a city anyway imo.
The only reason I'd want an OC law passed is so that I can be at Big Bend National Park openly carrying a .357mag or if I'm out at a small town ranch community etc. But to OC in Houston or Dallas etc is bogus imo.
anygunanywhere
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Big Bend
I believe you are just using Big Bend as an example, but you can not OC or CC in a national park.
I understand the meaning of your post.
Funny, I thought the 2A said no infringement, but after all the national parks are federal property.
Anygun
I believe you are just using Big Bend as an example, but you can not OC or CC in a national park.
I understand the meaning of your post.
Funny, I thought the 2A said no infringement, but after all the national parks are federal property.
Anygun
Vern Humphrey
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So far as I know, I never adopted anyone on this board. And no one has adopted me. So if anyone wants to carry -- any way he pleases -- that's his damn' business. And if I want to carry -- any way I please -- that's none of his damn' business.
anygunanywhere
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Well allrighty then! I guess that settles that. I'll try and remember that if and when I am ever deep in the Ozarks.
In the meant time I'll obey the law if I ever go back to Big Bend, which is doubtful. Same as with deep in the Ozarks.
Anygun
Sistema1927
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I am not a Texan, but I married one. I did, however, attend High School, College, and Grad School in Texas. Now I reside to the west in New Mexico.
It is interesting to see the differences between the two states, and note that many of them are firmly rooted in history. Whereas Texas had a nasty, nasty time during reconstruction, this was not the case in New Mexico or Arizona, which was really part of the same territory during the reconstruction era. Additionally, New Mexico/Arizona and Texas have radically different racial situations.
This accounts largely for the reason why open carry is both legal and common in New Mexico/Arizona while it is still illegal in Texas.
Also, for those of who who think that open carry is an invitation to "getting capped" first by the BG, that is neither my experience nor something that has ever been seen to be a problem in my neck of the woods (or, rather, corner of the desert).
It is interesting to see the differences between the two states, and note that many of them are firmly rooted in history. Whereas Texas had a nasty, nasty time during reconstruction, this was not the case in New Mexico or Arizona, which was really part of the same territory during the reconstruction era. Additionally, New Mexico/Arizona and Texas have radically different racial situations.
This accounts largely for the reason why open carry is both legal and common in New Mexico/Arizona while it is still illegal in Texas.
Also, for those of who who think that open carry is an invitation to "getting capped" first by the BG, that is neither my experience nor something that has ever been seen to be a problem in my neck of the woods (or, rather, corner of the desert).
Vern Humphrey
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And if it was a "problem," whose business is it? Let each of us assume what risks he chooses -- lest we all wind up held in a big play pen where we can't hurt ourselves.
Art Eatman
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This horse looks pretty much dead, to me...
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