I can't believe it: A friend and classmate of mine murdered.

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I didn't find out about this until a couple of hours ago, but one of my classmates has been murdered. http://sltrib.com/search/ci_3518687

Raechale was working at a "youth's home" where there came a call for support. Raechale, as well as another social worker, responded. Raechale arrived, but the other worker (a man), was stuck in traffic. Raechale (for reasons yet unknown to me) entered the home to try to calm the boy in "crisis." The kid raped her, and then stabbed her many times. He then stole her car and in the course of speeding away, managed to ram a house. The owner came out and the cretin started spilling his story.

I have known this girl since I was in gradeschool, where she, her sister, and I were friends. We also attended school together through High School (she graduated the year after I did). I hadn't seen her for about a year now... :(

I was incredibly shocked at first, but now I'm both saddened and incredibly angry. :fire:

I guess this serves as a very rude reminder to be prepared. You hear about this stuff every day, but when it hits closer to home, you truly realize how important self-defense is. I deeply wish (somehow) that
Raechale could have had a fighting chance with a good sidearm. Not knowing the whole situation, that may be an unreasonable wish, but I can't help but think it.

It also reminds me that I need to practice and train more. I now commit to do so in the memory of my friend,
Raechale Elton.

She was a very charming and beautiful girl.
Wes

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Nothing on Earth is as dangerous as a teen-aged male. Never forget that. Presume any strange one is a threat and keep your iron handy. They're the cause of a huge percentage of violent crime in the nation. Unless you personally know them, never do them favors or assist them. They're bad mojo.
 
I have a 25 year old nephew who's borderline this level of violence. He has already served two short term prison sentences. I blame it on the broken family structure AND the Ritalin he was given. This mind altering drug is so destructive as I've witnessed it with him firsthand and heard of other similar stories from parents. It's apparent Ritalin is habit forming and can lead to other drug addictions ... and violent behaviors.

Let's keep track of this story and any new developments. It may not always be the case, but don't be surprised if you read some type of ADD or ADHD drug was prescribed. We MUST get to the bottom of this and find out why kids today are murdering.
 
Nothing on Earth is as dangerous as a [Black] male. Never forget that. Presume any strange one is a threat and keep your iron handy. They're the cause of a huge percentage of violent crime in the nation. Unless you personally know them, never do them favors or assist them. They're bad mojo.
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Wow, change one word, and the ignorant nature of your bigotry really shines through. As a teenage male, I don't like to be generalized. Lets not judge all gun owners solely by the bad ones right? Glad to see how this highly held principle does not cross over to teenagers in your mind, Cosmoline. Apparently you just skipped ages 13-19? Im sure you would have been thrilled if the popular response to your presense was, Never do them favors or assist them. "Bad Mojo."

Great. For the sake of the world I hope you were being sarcastic.

As a law abiding, non-young-lady-raping teenage male, I am glad to see that you are judging me by the actions of one who DOES decide to rape young girls. Hey, next time I see a gun owner go nuts, I'm gonna label you crazy as well, and see how you like it. Your bad mojo.

Sorry about your friend Fumegator.
 
My condolences. :(

I've similarly read reports on the dangers of Ritalin, and if memory serves virtually all of the teenagers involved in the major school shooting incidents were taking it.

One can only hope that the little %$^# gets what's coming to him. :fire:
 
You have my sincerest sympathies Wes.

First Nightwatch's story about his aunt and cousin, then yours... there are way too many of these stories popping up.

Stay safe out there... :(
 
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Wow, change one word,
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Kindly don't change my words and argue with what you *THINK* I said, boyo. The problem is not black teens, it's MALE teens just as I said. They are extremely dangerous, particularly in groups. Maybe you're not part of the problem, which is great. But that has bupkus to do with the TACTICAL concerns raised when you see a group of male teens or when you're dealing with one of the so-called "troubled young men." No good deed goes unpunished with these kids, and the punishment may include the highest price there is.
 
fumegator,

My condolences on the murder of your friend. It happens. I don't live in an area that has a high crime rate. Even so, I've had seven friends and family members murdered over the past thirty years.

I don't focus on one particular age group or gender to decide on my level of watchfulness. The old saw about having a plan to kill everyone you come in contact with...that's my watchword. I keep my eye on little old ladies.
 
Fumegator, I'm sorry for your loss.

It is deaths like these that remind us that we must educate others to consider carrying a gun for protection. A young person is often idealistic and in denial of danger, especially young women. They are very vulnerable.

As an old man who is used to tossing down and restraining enraged mental patients, I would never, never, never enter a group home of young men to resolve a "crisis" alone. One person, no matter how they are trained, does not have control in such an environment. In fact, two unarmed people would not. Sending social workers into a home to quell a "crisis" among teenage boys is insanity. This begs the question........ What was the initial call regarding? Who made the call? How many other young men were in that group home? Where was the staff member? Why did nobody intervene on this young lady's behalf? Why is that information not being published? How do you spell culpable?

Hughes said the home is not meant to care for violent people.
"Obviously we didn't know him as well as we thought we did," Hughes said.
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Yeah, right. You'll take 'em if you can make a buck though, right? The owners of these types of facilities should bear the legal brunt of what they do for profit. God knows they will never assume the ethical or moral implications of their business. Sadly, it is frequently swept under the rug.

I have to say that I agree with Cosmo. Nothing on Earth is as dangerous as a teen-aged male. However, there is often nobody on earth as noble and self-sacrificing as a young man. I know. I have served with boys who became men in combat. I have served with men who became boys in the same combat. Not all young men are dangerous, obviously, but if I had to chose whether to walk past a Chow or a Golden Retriever, I would avoid the Chow. A house full of troubled young teenaged boys in "crisis" should have law enforcement intervening, not lone young women. :banghead:

I have little doubt that the administration will place the blame of this young lady's death on her impulsive decision to enter that house alone. Sadly nobody will question why that home was such a dangerous place to enter in the first place.
 
I Understand--Just Lost a Student/ Co-worker to Senseless Murder!

My former college student's desk still sits vacant, just feet outside of my office door. e was studying to become a teacher, to reach out to urban children.

We are raising a generation of heathens (by our failure to discipline in schools). When I was in school, we FEARED the teachers/Admin. I don't say beat the children, but a swat on the butt may be better than calling S.W.A.T. later--get my point?

It will take you a lifetime to get past this. Keep the good memories, and thereby her alive in your heart. Teach others the good that she taught you, and by that means, she will continue to live on, and perpetuate good.

Doc2005
 
I'm very sorry for your loss. It all seems "out there" until it strikes close to home. Harder to generalize when one knows the affected parties. Prayers for the victim's family.

Unfortunately, it sounds like we're getting closer and closer to the social conditions Heinlein described in "Starship Troopers" (horrible movie; great book). He talked about the uncontrolled gangs of youth terrorizing parks at the end of the 20th century. Hasn't gotten as bad as he descrbed ... yet.
 
Several years ago when I worked in Kansas City, Kansas, a parole officer whom I was acquainted with was called by the mother of one of the parolees the parole officer was in charge of. She said he was threatening her with violence. Upon entering the home the parole officer was attacked with a butcher knife and murdered. Soon after that, the rules were changed to read that in these cases parole officers were to be accompanied by an armed uniformed officer. No exceptions. I was transferred soon after that and never found what happened to the perpetrator. He was a teen aged male.
 
Wow, change one word, and the ignorant nature of your bigotry really shines through. As a teenage male, I don't like to be generalized. Lets not judge all gun owners solely by the bad ones right? Glad to see how this highly held principle does not cross over to teenagers in your mind, Cosmoline. Apparently you just skipped ages 13-19? Im sure you would have been thrilled if the popular response to your presense was, Never do them favors or assist them. "Bad Mojo."
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Violence in the District of Columbia.
 
I'm sorry for your loss.:( I can't say anything to help you except keep on the watch for BG's. They can appear out of nowhere.

I have seen my dad on prescription medicine act like crazy. He has a bad back & doctors put him on so many medicines it's hard to list them. One time he went to bed after taking a pill & came back into the living room 10 minutes later asking if we had any canned peaches. I said no & helped him back to bed. He came back 10 minutes later asking again if we had any canned peaches. I thought I'd have some fun with him. I told him mom was stealing the good china*. He said "I don't approve of that" & fell asleep. The next morning he didn't remember a thing of it. He went to a herbal doctor recently & that helped him a good deal. He's not taking as many pills as before.


We have never even had fine china.:neener:
 
Before this thread get's hijacked to far from it's intent, the statistics that I've seen support the notion that the majority of violent crimes are committed by the 12-25yr old crowd. So, Ingram - it's not prejudice if it's demonstrably true.... You may not like it, but that's doesn't make it false.

Thefumegator - I'm truly sorry for her, for her family's loss, and for the loss that all of you who knew her have to face. I'm sure that she deserved a lot better out of life... :(
 
"I deeply wish (somehow) that
Raechale could have had a fighting chance with a good sidearm. Not knowing the whole situation, that may be an unreasonable wish, but I can't help but think it."

Well, now you have a reason to become a public CCW activist. I believe that Utah has some good laws, so now people have to be convinced to start carrying.
Mauserguy
 
You're right, Mauserguy. I've got a good group of people with their CFPs, but it is unfortunate that it is not larger.

Ironic how "alternate" forms of self-defense are considered okay (Like martial arts), but something that might actually save your life is so demonized. :mad:

Wes
 
Sorry for your loss.

I am sorry for your loss of your friend. May justice will be served quickly for he has forfeited his life and should be sentenced to death.
 
Did I say it was false? I guess no one here sees the problem I have with that sort of thinking.

So what if young males commit the most crimes, is that a reason not to do anything to help them and to treat them as if they are about to jump you?

Most terrorists are arab, does that mean I shouldn't give on the time of day if asked out on the streets?

Blacks are the most incarcerated people by % in America, does that mean I should keep my hand on a pistol if I see one walking down the street?

The fact that a statistic is true justifies a certain action is the most common defense I hear from all the racist people I know. So what is more blacks or more adolescent males commit more crimes? Doesn't mean we should shun them all and treat ALL of them as if they have already done something.

Think about this: If you treat someone as if they are a criminal before you even know them, how do you think they are going to react?

Hey here is a zinger for you Cosmoline. Statistics prove that gun owners are much more likely to murder someone than non gun owners. Hell, you must be dangerous. If I see you walking down the street, I'm gonna turn the other way. If you come to my workplace, I'm gonna treat you like criminal trash. Hey, the statistic is true, That justifies my action. Just cause you don't like it doesn't mean sh*t, It is tactically sound to avoid people who own guns, they kill people at a higher rate than non gun owners.

I don't give a flying **** if more crimes are commited by young males. Just like you dont give a crap about the gun owners who go out and commit crimes giving all gun owners a bad name.

I appologize for changing a word in your quote, it was merely to highlight the similarity between your viewpoint on young males and a racist's view against blacks.

I'm expecting an appology from you Cosmoline or else I'm just going to have to ignore you from now on. I'm not gonna take crap from anyone assuming they can make generalizations about me based on a few select individuals, just as you would not like it yourself.
 
Did I say it was false? I guess no one here sees the problem I have with that sort of thinking.
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The first step in protecting yourself from danger is to understand where the danger lies. Do you have a problem with facts? Do you want to deny facts and live in a fantasy world? There is no law prohibiting individual profiling of any sort. Why do you feel you must enforce your will on others who simply want to protect themselves. Nobody is calling for the imprisonment of young men until they are 25 years old. The statement was simply made that it is best to leave unknown 16-25 year old males alone because that is a population that has the highest violent crime rate. It's a matter of not looking for trouble It is not a racial or age or gender motivated action. It is a age and gender motivated omission. There is a huge difference.

I appologize for changing a word in your quote, it was merely to highlight the similarity between your viewpoint on young males and a racist's view against blacks.
I'm expecting an appology from you Cosmoline or else I'm just going to have to ignore you from now on.
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Is there a similarity? No sir, there is absolutely no similarity. Skewing another's statements to make a point contrary to their statement is deciet. Expecting an apology from them after you have done such is arrogant. You, Ingram, are out of line.

Go ahead. Ignore me too. It would be a blessing.
 
The man is sharing with us his remorse. Start another thread if you want to argue about who does what.:banghead:

My heart goes out to you, I've lost good friends too in senseless acts. May god grant you piece.

This will be my last responce on this thread so save your comments on my first statement.
Jim
 
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