Gmac
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Your average cop ain't rocket scientist material. that's why he's a cop .
I couldn't believe this cop...!
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Your average anything ain't rocket scientist material, for the most part.
There are barely capable doctors, lawyers, and scientists. Of course, the less capable in these professions are performing at a higher intellectual level than the best in many other fields.
If you want to criticize cops, perhaps go for their attitude, not their intelligence. The few I notice most are "us vs. you civilians," "You weren't there" (neither was the grand jury), and "MP-5/BDU fever."
There are barely capable doctors, lawyers, and scientists. Of course, the less capable in these professions are performing at a higher intellectual level than the best in many other fields.
If you want to criticize cops, perhaps go for their attitude, not their intelligence. The few I notice most are "us vs. you civilians," "You weren't there" (neither was the grand jury), and "MP-5/BDU fever."
tommytrauma
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On one hand, I agree. On the other, we know that many cops are carrying auto defibs now so they can act as first responders for cardiac calls. I expect any cop who has one to be able to put the pads on and push the shock button when the machine tells him to. I don't expect to be able to tell me if it's monophasic of biphasic, tell me the manufacturer, tell me the jules setting for each successive shock, etc. He probably doesn't care, and it really doesn't matter for what he does. He can use the life saving device proficiently, and that's what matters.
I'm well beyond any belief that most cops are shooters. I do hope and pray for basic compentence though.
Art Eatman
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Lots of experts, ain't.
In Basic Training, an SFC, a grand Guru of the Garand, explained that it was a "semi-automatic, gas-operated shoulder weapon". He then went on to explain that what made it work was that with the 50,000 psi chamber pressure, 25,000 pounds (sic) pushed on the bullet and 25,000 pounds (sic) pushed on the bolt.
One of my smarter non-moves was to refrain from asking the purpose of the gas port.
(He never mentioned that apparently unneeded feature.)
Art
In Basic Training, an SFC, a grand Guru of the Garand, explained that it was a "semi-automatic, gas-operated shoulder weapon". He then went on to explain that what made it work was that with the 50,000 psi chamber pressure, 25,000 pounds (sic) pushed on the bullet and 25,000 pounds (sic) pushed on the bolt.
One of my smarter non-moves was to refrain from asking the purpose of the gas port.
(He never mentioned that apparently unneeded feature.)Art
280PLUS
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when they say "knife"...
chances are they mean something capable of cutting seatbelts and rope.
seatbelts for obvious reasons and rope, well...
i don't think they meant as a backup weapon for fighting.
you might check though
good luck to him
ps,,,bullets are directional???
chances are they mean something capable of cutting seatbelts and rope.
seatbelts for obvious reasons and rope, well...
i don't think they meant as a backup weapon for fighting.
you might check though
good luck to him
ps,,,bullets are directional???
fastbolt
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You guys are killing me ... yuk it up.
I thought someone was simply pulling my leg the first time I saw a magazine loaded full of rounds inserted backwards ...
Wanna bet someday someone will hear something about Dutch-loading a magazine, and load every other round facing the opposite direction?
You're killing me ...
bogie
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Heh, heh... I _love_ the so-called experts that our police forces produce. Just cuz they're issued something doesn't mean they know what to do with it.
So... (this works best with an audience)
"Well, bubba, sounds like you must be pretty darn good with your boomstick, right?"
"Yup. I can neuter a gnat at 600 yards!"
"Okay. Wanna prove it? I'll pick you up and take you out to my club, and I'll shoot my gun, and you shoot yours. Or if you want, I'll shoot yours too. How much money you got?"
I _love_ it when the folks see a 100 yard range, and then I find out that they've done all their practicing indoors at 25 yards. And than when I put the targets out at 200... Had one guy show up with a very nice M-14 once tho... (shoulda bet him rifles, but did a coffee cup vs. $100 - nice cup...). But at 200 yards vs a rifle that can group inside a quarter at that distance... well...
Then there is the concept of the victi... er... "shooter" puttin' up a target, firing a whole mag outta the glock at it, and then muttering that the gun must be messed up - So I ask to see it. Make bangy bangy noises, and holes start appearing in the paper...
Heh...
So... (this works best with an audience)
"Well, bubba, sounds like you must be pretty darn good with your boomstick, right?"
"Yup. I can neuter a gnat at 600 yards!"
"Okay. Wanna prove it? I'll pick you up and take you out to my club, and I'll shoot my gun, and you shoot yours. Or if you want, I'll shoot yours too. How much money you got?"
I _love_ it when the folks see a 100 yard range, and then I find out that they've done all their practicing indoors at 25 yards. And than when I put the targets out at 200... Had one guy show up with a very nice M-14 once tho... (shoulda bet him rifles, but did a coffee cup vs. $100 - nice cup...). But at 200 yards vs a rifle that can group inside a quarter at that distance... well...
Then there is the concept of the victi... er... "shooter" puttin' up a target, firing a whole mag outta the glock at it, and then muttering that the gun must be messed up - So I ask to see it. Make bangy bangy noises, and holes start appearing in the paper...
Heh...
TheOtherOne
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Oh man! You got screwed! Tell them you want to trade in that POS unibody for a '96 Impala. The LT1 is the only engine to have in any car, especially a cop car.
Sorry, I know I'm off-topic here. I do see your point though.
bogie
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One thing to take into consideration is that "gun nuts" aren't overly encouraged to join police departments. The average police recruiter is more interested in one's typing speed than if one is a world-class handgun competitor.
Just my .02
THIS particular guy was a jerk.
His only mistake in my book was being an a$$ by assuming cops know more about guns.
I carry a Beretta 96 Centurion. If someone asked "what kind of gun is that?". I usually say "Beretta 40" - meaning "a Beretta in 40 S&W" - assuming that they asked because they have no clue - not because they're gun experts - If I say "96", the usual response is, "is that a 9?".
I have limited knowledge on Glocks - but I can still pick one up, load it, and fire it with no problem - I have no clue what model # is which caliber and don't really care to - most Glocks look very similar - as long as I know it's a 40 S&W, who cares if I know the model #. The first time I heard someone say "Glock 22", the first thought was, "Glock .22 LR?". I own one Ruger in .22 cal - and I don't call it a "Ruger Super Single Six" everytime I refer to it - just "my Ruger 22". Yeah I felt stupid when it dawned on me that was the model #. I would also know to look for the cal stamped on the gun if I didn't know which was which.
However, I have NEVER driven an Impala and can easily ID one from a distance (even at night - by the tail lights). Go figure.
Bottom line - I know my model #, but I don't fault the guy for not knowing his (especially if it was issued) AND DEFINITELY for not knowing what the Glock 22 was if HIS wasn't a Model 22 - ** but his ATTITUDE is inexcusable. It does make me wonder though - are you sure this was a street cop, not just someone in dispatch? (Not dissing dispatchers, just most of ours don't carry firearms)
CR
THIS particular guy was a jerk.
His only mistake in my book was being an a$$ by assuming cops know more about guns.
I carry a Beretta 96 Centurion. If someone asked "what kind of gun is that?". I usually say "Beretta 40" - meaning "a Beretta in 40 S&W" - assuming that they asked because they have no clue - not because they're gun experts - If I say "96", the usual response is, "is that a 9?".
I have limited knowledge on Glocks - but I can still pick one up, load it, and fire it with no problem - I have no clue what model # is which caliber and don't really care to - most Glocks look very similar - as long as I know it's a 40 S&W, who cares if I know the model #. The first time I heard someone say "Glock 22", the first thought was, "Glock .22 LR?". I own one Ruger in .22 cal - and I don't call it a "Ruger Super Single Six" everytime I refer to it - just "my Ruger 22". Yeah I felt stupid when it dawned on me that was the model #. I would also know to look for the cal stamped on the gun if I didn't know which was which.
However, I have NEVER driven an Impala and can easily ID one from a distance (even at night - by the tail lights). Go figure.
Bottom line - I know my model #, but I don't fault the guy for not knowing his (especially if it was issued) AND DEFINITELY for not knowing what the Glock 22 was if HIS wasn't a Model 22 - ** but his ATTITUDE is inexcusable. It does make me wonder though - are you sure this was a street cop, not just someone in dispatch? (Not dissing dispatchers, just most of ours don't carry firearms)
CR
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Jeff, I'm an engineering manager in electronics manufacturing. I expect I work with a crapload more equipment than the average cop. And yes, I know that level of detail you are suggesting. Any engineer who works with me better know his tools he loses some serious respect.
I have even higher expectations for law enforcement officers because we give them greater authority, although people may be injured or killed if I screw up too.
So, after reading your position, I still say knowledge of various tool details, Crown Vic to Glocks, is vital to "doing a good job." If this is a problem of the lowest common denominator, stupid people, then we need higher hiring standards in law enforcement.
I have even higher expectations for law enforcement officers because we give them greater authority, although people may be injured or killed if I screw up too.
So, after reading your position, I still say knowledge of various tool details, Crown Vic to Glocks, is vital to "doing a good job." If this is a problem of the lowest common denominator, stupid people, then we need higher hiring standards in law enforcement.
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MikePGS
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Yikes, the DPD does in fact carry Glock 22's (though oddly enough I think they can get almost anything approved) so it very well could have been (or half of the PD's in the country, of course).
SSN Vet
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your asked a question about firearms based on the assumption that a police officer would know one model Glock from another....
bad assumption
if it was me....I would not have made any inquiries for fear that they might put your BIL on the radar screen in the wrong way.
bad assumption
if it was me....I would not have made any inquiries for fear that they might put your BIL on the radar screen in the wrong way.
CountGlockula
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Jokes aside there's one thing to consider...IT'S A JOB and that particular officer may have been too busy with paperwork, bad guys and the politics in the agency to have a nice professional talk about guns. Plus, information may be classified. Also, it's a little proof of how much average law abiding gun owners are viewed.
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