I did a 180 on attitude towards AR15 platforms

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James Fonteneaux said:
I enjoy building them, it's fun. My two favorites are the 6.8 spc which is like shooting a laser, and the 20" A2 clone of the rifle I carried in Iraq. Reminds me of a more sensible time...
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Alright you baited me in. Since when does a rifle that reminds you of being in the first through tenth hellscapes on earth remind you of a more SENSIBLE time. Haha.

It was a good experience but I don’t ever want to do it again.
 
I, like another poster had my fill of those things many years ago, having one nearly get me killed with a serious malfunction when I actually required it to work.
My disdain for them carried on for 40 odd years, just up untill some communist politicians said I couldnt have one, I hoped in the intervening years that someone had actually improved them to the point they were at least somewhat more dependable than the ones I was forced to fool with, it seems that they have been somewhat reinvented to work and now I have one, same company who built my first one, well ....it goes bang ....and I own one, so I suppose my mind has been, I hesitate to say changed. But certainly not 180°.
 
I got told I can’t have jiggle fire attachments anymore. Now I want them, and want to double up on it by going binary jiggle. If I do it then I want it in a format that’s cheap and easy to feed... probably a 300blk pistol with a can. Just when I thought they were silly... yep I did a 180 on them too. So I have a slow and super accurate AR, and now I want a bullet hose too.
 
WestKentucky said:
I got told I can’t have jiggle fire attachments anymore. Now I want them, and want to double up on it by going binary jiggle. If I do it then I want it in a format that’s cheap and easy to feed... probably a 300blk pistol with a can. Just when I thought they were silly... yep I did a 180 on them too. So I have a slow and super accurate AR, and now I want a bullet hose too.
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@WestKentucky - Spent some time with my son today shooting a pistol as you described... Sounded like a nail gun. You should have seen the smile on his face.
 
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I never wanted one until the 1994 AWB passed. Interestingly the ban did more to sell AR's than anything. There were more sold during the 1994-2004 ban than prior to the ban. You just couldn't get a new one with a flash hider or bayonet lug until the ban expired in 2004. Magazines were over priced, but readily available if you were buying used.

I can't say they are my favorite rifles, but I do have 3 of them now. One set up for precision work, the other 2 as home defense rifles. To me they are a tool that fills a role in personal defense.
 
James Fonteneaux said:
Simple. Don't stand where the mortars fall, stay hydrated, do your job. Easy. No covid, no (insert most any other political issue here), no social media. Just do your job, look out for your buddy, and don't die.

@earlthegoat2
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Hard to argue with that. I often tell my wife my time in the military was some of the simplest years of my life. Haha

As Dan John has said, simple does not mean easy.
 
I got interested and bought a Rock River Arms Standard A2. Learned how it worked, shot it, cleaned it, shot it, accessorized it, shot it, cleaned, accessorized it some more. Shot it and cleaned it some more, got bored, and sold it.

Done. Magpul dress-up AR Barbie was fun for a while, but I probably spent the same amount on extras as I spent on the rifle. And shooting it didn't do much for me. It was a good, accurate, reliable rifle in an underwhelming cartridge. And even at its most basic has a little too much sticking out in various directions for my liking. And I hated the sproooiiinng!
 
George Dickel said:
Previously I owned 2 AR15 rifles but kept them less than a year, just couldn't warm up to them. The ones that I was issued in the Army were worn out and in need of rebuild so that created a disdain for the platform. A while back I bought another one to give it one more try and I have developed quite an interest in them. The one I bought was a flat top model with an 18" barrel and it has shown to be accurate in the limited testing I've done so far. I just started shooting in a military rifle competition at my gun club and did really well in my first match.
I never had an interest in an AR pistol, thought it was a stupid idea. After much reading and thought I believe that it is an excellent HD gun and for personal defense outside my home. I like the fact that is considered a pistol and can legally be in my car loaded as long as I have a carry permit. I bought a lower and kit that I assembled then bought an 11.5" upper form PSA with a flat top. Put a Romeo 5 on it, no brace just a buffer tube with a foam cheek piece and it shoots great. It is fun! Then I got the urge for an A2 clone, assembled another lower and my gunsmith friend built an upper for me with a 20" Krieger SS barrel. Just got it so I'm anxious to see how it performs.
I believe the AR platform has done a lot for maintaining and maybe increasing the interest in shooting by younger shooters. Despite all the "assault weapon" demonization it apparently sells quite well. There might be an A4 in my future.
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I was a lot like you, but kept my first one too. Then I built an AR (long story) and put a Kreiger Match 7.7” twist stainless barrel on it. If yours shoots anything like mine, you’ll love it!
 
webrx said:
You got it Tommy, figured someone would. Brave Knights don't Retreat :)

As for an AR, now that I have one, and so does my son, we have them.

As I said I can hit steel, at 300 with it that's good enough for me with that platform, even after putting in a better trigger, I still cant do better than about 1.5 MOA with mine at 100. That is plenty good enough for the "Killer Rabbits" but maybe I will load up some 69 gr and 75 grains to see how it does with those. 1 in 7 twist shouldn't have any issue with stabilizing them. Maybe I just need to find the right load for it, TBH, I never really worked one up.

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I have a budget version that shot about like yours, 1.5” to 2” with 75 grain loads. I got a load together and it runs between 0.5 and 0.75 inches at 100 yards now. I’m probably giving up some velocity, but I’m ok with that. I don’t have a chronograph to check but I’m guessing about 2650 fps.
 
USAF Small Arms Specialist from 1974 through 1981. Worked on more broken, neglected and abused A1's & A2's than I care to think about. I had absolutely nothing to do with the platform until last summer. A friend and I went shooting (he's an AR nut) and I shot one of his match ARs out to 600 yards. To say I was impressed would be an understatement!!! Immediately started building a precision AR chambered in 6.5 Grendel.... wonderful cartridge in a wonderfully accurate and reliable rifle☺️
 
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JCooperfan1911 said:
Got my fill in the service. They don’t appeal to me on a personal level and I’ll never agree that “everyone must own an AR15” (I don’t) but at the same time I fully acknowledge they have developed into a fully matured and superb fighting rifle with unparalleled versatility and modularity.

They don’t “do it” for me but with that said there is a reason they’re the most popular rifle in American history. But to those that say you aren’t a real patriot if you don’t own one or that owning an AR makes you some kind of tough guy minuteman sheepdog right off the bat no training required, I simply shake my head.
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Not everyone needs an AR. But everyone needs a firearm they are competent with.
I bought an AR because I think everyone should at least try one.
I modded it to work for me. It's light, 5.56, and reliable.
 
JCooperfan1911 said:
everyone must own an AR15..........you aren’t a real patriot if you don’t own one..........owning an AR makes you some kind of tough guy minuteman sheepdog right off the bat no training required.
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Those are some straight up fools for saying that. Who is making these idiotic statements? Idiots I bet.

I like the AR15 for alot of the reasons people have already stated, but one thing that surprised me about them is how unbelievably rugged and relentlessly reliable they are. They really don't look or feel like a very robust gun you could drag up and down the mountain. They feel kinda light in the loafers but they are a good strong rifle. Trustworthy and reliable and super accurate. That's all I need out of a rifle, especially a fighting gun also capable of fulfilling other roles.
 
I was Army Infantry for 8 years. The AR is a comfortable rifle that feels like a new boot sock to me. I don't have to learn anything new to shooting it but have picked up a few extra tricks to maintain it. There are enough parts out there to make an AR into virtually anything you want including piston, left hand, side charge etc. There is very little reason to not have one. Especially since most politicians want to ban them.
 
GoldieMI said:
and stay off the grass!!!!!
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Heaven forbid you walk on the grass and give a Sergeant Major a heart attack. :D

I carried both the M16A1 and M16A2 while I was in (when I wasn't stuck with the M60). I never cared for the A1 since I shoot left handed. I bought/built several AR rifles and pistols over the years. Most are chambered in 5.56 but I do have a few in 22lr and 6.8SPC that I really enjoy. The last one I did in 5.56 was an A2 clone since I had my old M7 bayonet sitting around without a proper home. It has become one of my favorites and the Windham Weapons barrel is very accurate with M855 ammo.
 
I think encountering warn out dot mil M16s did it for a lot of people.
I never cared for them until want to be dictators in waiting told us we shouldn't be allowed to have them. Then I got one, well a typical commercial AR not an m16, that wasn't worn out and I'm easily shooting well under 2 MOA with cheap ammo.
 
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I assembled one because I thought I wouldn't be able to in a while, figured I'd try one out. It was a mistake, sold it.

I also look at the big picture. Since AR's have arrived in numbers and dropped in price, they have become the weapon of choice of nearly every nut case bent on mass destruction. They have done more to enrage the anti's than anything ever before, to the point where every semi auto is now under attack.

Because of their original military background, they seem to have fostered the whole current "tactical" movement, where overweight, barely able to move, 70 year olds sitting behind a keyboard must have one and think they're badass and GTG because they do. Vast numbers of other owners seem to be playing soldier and training and equipping themselves for the apocalypse.

To be honest, I think as gun owners our rights are in serious jeopardy because of them, and personally wish we'd have never gotten them.

I served in the military and LE, but If you think my opinion makes me a Fudd, so be it.
 
Used to think the same way, that they were only for the wannabe commandos, but the AR is an excellent economical and all around effective platform whatever your needs.

Speedo66 said:
To be honest, I think as gun owners our rights are in serious jeopardy because of them, and personally wish we'd have never gotten them.
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Wishful thinking. They just happen to be the easiest target right now. Once they ban ARs they will go after your Mini14s then your Glocks and finally your shotguns. The haters won't stop until you are totally disarmed.
 
Speedo66 said:
I assembled one because I thought I wouldn't be able to in a while, figured I'd try one out. It was a mistake, sold it.

I also look at the big picture. Since AR's have arrived in numbers and dropped in price, they have become the weapon of choice of nearly every nut case bent on mass destruction. They have done more to enrage the anti's than anything ever before, to the point where every semi auto is now under attack.

Because of their original military background, they seem to have fostered the whole current "tactical" movement, where overweight, barely able to move, 70 year olds sitting behind a keyboard must have one and think they're badass and GTG because they do. Vast numbers of other owners seem to be playing soldier and training and equipping themselves for the apocalypse.

To be honest, I think as gun owners our rights are in serious jeopardy because of them, and personally wish we'd have never gotten them.

I served in the military and LE, but If you think my opinion makes me a Fudd, so be it.
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Our country suffers from a heart/morality problem, we have lost our way as a society/country.

You state that "...they have become the weapon of choice for nearly every nut case bent on mass destruction." Study some statistics from the CDC on "rifle" deaths, in 2018 there were 297 total deaths by all rifles, and you think that it is because the American people have the ability to own AR15's that we are losing our gun rights? Why does a person have to seek out the data on "rifle" deaths? Could it be that it doesn't fit the politburo's agenda on stripping the American citizens of their gun rights?

Call me callous, cold, or whatever, but 297 people dying of rifle deaths is a small price to pay for keeping the power in the people's hands and preventing subjugation and potential mass genocide that follows disarmament of the populace.

The vast majority of the American people have succumbed to "group think" and lack any semblance of critical thinking. They buy hook, line and sinker what the media wants them to, be it news, social media, or agenda driven politicians. What is sad is that we have people who should know this and know better than to fall for the lies and propaganda that is spread to serve underlying agendas of the activist politicians.

The FBI figures look at the intentional, criminal use of firearms, and show a total of 297 deaths from rifles of any kind in 2018. This means accidental death by falling occurred 126 times more often than intentional death by a rifle of any kind in 2018.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/04/04/feds-2018-data-falling-killed-126x-more-people-rifles/​

Freedom is and never will be free, with freedom comes great responsibility and the deaths that arise out of the tragedies perpetrated by sick individuals will continue if we wish to be a free country. As this country gets further and further away from knowledge and belief in our Creator, we fall further victim to the stripping away of our freedoms for the sake of "safety."
 
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