I don't get all the .22s out there, help...

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Hello, I just got a Marlin 60 and can't wait to get out there and shoot some cheap brass but I don't get all the .22s out there.

I asked some Wally World clerk if they had any of the Federal .22 value packs and she said she only had ".22 in long" and that I was looking for ".22 in short".

I thought it was all called '.22 Long Rifle' is there more?

I went to Cabelas and noticed how there is .22 Magnum, .22 WMR, and there's .22 short, and .22 long??

What in the world?
Please clarify
 
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I suspect she doesn't know what she's talking about. By .22 long she probably meant .22 long rifle. That said, there is .22 short, long and long rifle. Ask to see the .22 long they are selling and see what the box says. You want long rifle.

Don't use magnum or WMR.
 
info 4 u......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.22_Long_Rifle

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rimfire_ammunition

.22 BB Cap
.22 Bulleted Breech Cap, is a .22 caliber rimfire cartridge, .22 BB cap and .22 CB refer to cartridges that are low velocity and project reduced noise. These rimfires closely resemble a .22 caliber air rifle in power and are often used for indoor shooting and close range pest control. Developed for indoor shooting galleries with special "rimfire gallery guns", the .22 BB Cap was the first rimfire cartridge, dating back to 1845. It has no separate propellant charge, relying on the impulse created by the primer alone to fire a round lead ball.
Specifications:
Case Length: 0.284 in.
Overall Length: .343 in.
Bullet weight - 18 gr. / Velocity - 700 fps. / Energy - 20 ft.lb.

.22 CB Cap
.22 Conical Ball Cap, is a .22 caliber rimfire cartridge which has a very small propellant charge (usually no gunpowder, just the primer), resulting in low muzzle velocity. This is similar to the muzzle velocity produced by a low to mid-power .22 pellet gun, however it should be noted that the bullet from a .22 CB cartridge is significantly heavier than a typical airgun pellet and therefore carries more energy. Due to their low power, CB rounds can be trapped by most pellet gun traps. CB rimfire rounds are often used for indoor shooting practice or for small pest control in areas where a limited range is an advantage due to crowding. The original .22 CB rimfire cartridge has the same case as the .22 BB Cap.
Specifications:
Case length: .284 in.
Bullet weight - 20 gr. / Velocity - 700 fps. / Energy - 22 ft.lb.
Bullet weight - 29 gr. / Velocity - 350 fps. / Energy - 8 ft.lb.

.22 Short
.22 short, is a .22 caliber rimfire cartridge. Developed in 1857 for the first Smith and Wesson revolver, the .22 Short rimfire was the first American metallic cartridge. The original loading was a 29 grain bullet and 4 grains of black powder. Developed for self defense, the modern .22 Short, though still used in a few pocket pistols and mini-revolvers, is mainly used as a quiet round for practice. Due to its low recoil and good inherent accuracy, the .22 Short was used for the Olympic 25 m Rapid Fire Pistol event until 2004.
Specifications:
Case Length: .423 in.
Overall Length: .686 in.
Bullet weight - 29 gr. / Velocity - 1,045 fps. / Energy - 70 ft.lb.

.22 Long
.22 Long, is a .22 caliber rimfire cartridge. The .22 Long dates back to 1871, when it was loaded with a 29 grain bullet and 5 grains of black powder, 25% more than the .22 Short rimfire it was based on. It was designed for use in revolvers, but was soon chambered in rifles as well. Many .22 Long Rifle guns will chamber and fire the shorter round, though the .22 Long generally does not generate sufficient energy to operate semiautomatic guns.
Specifications:
CaseLength: .595 in.
Overall Length: .880 in.
Bullet weight - 29 gr. / Velocity - 1,240 fps. / Energy - 99 ft.lb.

.22 Long Rifle
.22 Long Rifle, is a rimfire cartridge that is well established with a variety of ammunition loadings, and in terms of units sold is still by far the most common in the world today. The .22 Long Rifle rimfire is a heavier loading of the .22 Long case and appeared in 1887, along with the first smokeless powder loadings of the .22 rimfires. It is one of the few cartridges that are accepted by a large variety of rifles, as well as pistols. Virtually every manufacturer of cartridge firearms makes at least one model chambering it, and this has been true for more than a century. There are a variety of different types of .22 Long Rifle (or ".22 LR") rimfire loads.
Specifications:
Case length: .595 in.
Case diameter: .225 in.
Bullet diameter: .224 in.
Rim diameter: .271 in.
Rim thickness: .040 in.
Cartridge overall length: .985 in.
Bullet weight - 40 gr. / Velocity - 1,082 fps. / Energy - 104 ft.lb. / (Subsonic)
Bullet weight - 36 gr. / Velocity - 1,328 fps. / Energy - 141 ft.lb. / (High Velocity)

.22 WMR
.22 Winchester Magnum Rimfire, is a rimfire rifle cartridge, commonly loaded with a 40 grain bullet, it can deliver velocities in the 2000 fps. range from a rifle barrel. The .22 WMR was introduced in the 1950s by Winchester, and it was the only successful rimfire cartridge introduced in the 20th century. The .22 WMR uses a larger case than the more popular .22 Long Rifle rimfire, both in diameter and length. The .22 WMR's case is also much thicker, allowing much higher pressures. Since the .22 WMR generally uses the same weight bullets as the .22 Long Rifle, it is generally used in similar situations. The 40 grain .22 WMR at 100 yards still retains the velocity of a .22 LR at the muzzle, which can provide improved penetration at all ranges, and more reliable expansion at long range with expanding bullets.
Specifications:
Case length: 1.052 in.
Overall length: 1.350 in.
Bullet diameter: .224 in.
Bullet weight - 40 gr. / Velocity - 2,020 fps. / Energy - 360 ft.lb.

For your Marlin Model 60, you want the 22LR (long Rifle) cartridges ONLY!
 
.22 short, long, and long rifle are primarily different in overall cartridge length. If chambered in .22 long rifle, revolvers and bolt-actions should be able to shoot all three; kind of like shooting .38 Spl in a .357 Magnum.

Your Marlin 60, being a semi-auto, may be sensitive to cartridge length, so stick with long rifle. My 60 shoots long rifle and long equally well. I haven't tried shorts.

As hammerklavier said, magnum and WMR are different entirely. Don't use in the 60.
 
My 60 loves the Federal 550 bulk packs so your on the right track, and yes they are long rifle or 22 LR.

Fantastic rifle btw. Mike
 
I think thats great advice. Bulk pack = long rifle.

hmm.. shooting shorts and cb caps in a bolt action.... maybe I need a bolt action 22lr....
 
Strange thing about .22 ammo. Pre obummer you couldn't find shorts anywhere, only long rifle. Now Wallyworld is flooded with shorts as are local gunshops. Long rifle Federal is the way to go if you can find them.
 
The .22 shorts aren't even worth shooting. You can literally see them arc in the air after you pull the trigger.
 
The .22 shorts aren't even worth shooting. You can literally see them arc in the air after you pull the trigger.

The value of .22 shorts is subjective. I find them very handy for pests in the yard. They are quiet and have plenty of killing power.

As for their trajectory, you have better eyes than a predatory bird. :rolleyes: I literally think you're speaking figuratively.
 
Uncle Mike gave you the long answer. Here's the short answer:


.22 mag and .22 WMR - same thing and NOT what your gun shoots. Something entirely different (bigger).


.22 lr, .22 l, .22s (long rifle, long, short) -All will manually chamber and FIRE fine your gun safely. But in all likelihood, the only one that will cycle the action and load the next road is the "standard" one, which is known as .22 lr ("long rifle") - it's the longest of the three. It's what you want. There are many sub-varieties of the standard long rifle round, generally categorized according to velocity as follows: Hyper Vels, High Vels, Standard Vels, and Subsonic. All have their uses and purposes, according to the tradeoffs of velocity, cost, noise, etc. STANDARD vels or HIGH vels will likely cycle your Marlin best, particularly High Vels. Subsonics probably will NOT cycle (but some may), and Hyper Vels will cycle, but batter your gun & springs a little more over many thousands of rounds. This is why I like turnbolts & single shots best for .22s.


The .22 shorts aren't even worth shooting. You can literally see them arc in the air after you pull the trigger.

Hmm, I guess that'd make my beloved colibris *completely* worthless eh, Fremmer? I have some dead grackles over the back fence who may disagree, and neighbors none the wiser. :p

I love shooting subsonic longs and shorts (and subsonic long rifles, for that matter) - yes you can see them kinda arc in and hit the target, which is very cool. And they drop very little to 50 yards, and are a real pleasure to shoot. Some are quite accurate. And more than plenty enough power to take care of l'il stuff like a squirrel or cottontail on down. Now at 60, 70, or 80 yards, yes I agree - give me a standard vel or high vel round.
 
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I suspect she doesn't know what she's talking about. By .22 long she probably meant .22 long rifle. That said, there is .22 short, long and long rifle. Ask to see the .22 long they are selling and see what the box says. You want long rifle.

Don't use magnum or WMR.
So why do you guys keep saying that? Do you guys mean that the .22 mag and .22 WMR are entirely different from .22 lr, like it won't even chamber because it's too wide or small? Or is it something else?
 
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.22WMR = .22 Winchester Magnum Rimfire, aka ".22 Mag" in common parlance. Much like .357 Mags in a .38 Special revolver, they're not something you want to stuff into your .22LR gun by accident.
 
Oh ok, 22 lr is longest of the 3 (22 lr, 22 long, 22 short) then, right?

Is it therefore the best with more powder in the cartridge? More accurate and powerful than the .22 long and .22 short?
 
Due to Uncle Mike's post #3, this thread needs to be a sticky.

That's the most definitive answer I've ever seen. :)
 
.22WMR = .22 Winchester Magnum Rimfire, aka ".22 Mag" in common parlance. Much like .357 Mags in a .38 Special revolver, they're not something you want to stuff into your .22LR gun by accident.
OH.... So your saying it's like stuffing a 5.56 in a .223, or a .357 mag in a .38 spl when I put a .22 mag into my Marlin 60.

It's the wear and tear that the stronger .22 WMR and .22 mag will cause huh?


Tactical Ninja, are you saying the .22 WMR and .22 mag are the same thing??
 
I'd take Lib's advice and go do some lurking on RimfireCentral.

I've never seen .22 Longs for sale anywhere, ever, so I really wouldn't even worry about those. May as well put them out of mind and reduce your potential confusion somewhat. You're also going to have to do some hunting around to find .22 Shorts or .22 CB caps, and you can't shoot 'em out of anything but a bolt gun anyway.

The two common .22s you'll see are .22LR (available all over the place in great quantities) and .22WMR/.22 Mag (a bit less prevalent, but still widely available). Of the two, the .22WMR is, as the name states, basically a Magnum version of the .22LR. It's also pricey compared to .22LR.

Edit: Yes, .22 Mag/.22WMR are the same thing. You shouldn't even be able to get a .22 Mag cartridge into your .22LR (the Mag is quite a bit longer) but if you somehow managed to shoehorn one in there you'd probably want to make sure your fingers are all insured before you touch it off. I don't know how new you are to firearms in general, but frankly put, guns are chambered for a specific cartridge for a reason - attempting to shoot anything else "because it fits... kinda" is a great way to end up with body parts blown off.

Long story short: Buy a .22LR gun, shoot .22LR in it. Buy a .22 Mag gun, shoot .22 Mag in it. Don't worry about anything else. The end.
 
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...they're (.22WMR) not something you want to stuff into your .22LR gun by accident.
You'd have a heck of a time getting it to chamber "by accident" as the LR, Long, Short, CB, BB are all heeled bullets (and therefore bullet diameter = case diameter), the .22Mag is not a heeled bullet and therefore has a larger case. I wont profess that you cannot chamber one, but you would have to do quite a bit of hammering to get it in the chamber. It is a gross understatement to say that you couldn't do it by "accident".

:)
 
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It is a gross understatement to say that you couldn't do it by "accident".

Rule one of the internets (some would say of life, in general) is to never, ever underestimate the bounds of human stupidity. :) Somewhere out there, there's a guy with eight or nine fingers because he thought it'd be a hoot to jam a .22 Mag up his LR's wazoo and see what happened. Pretty fireworks!

I've also seen a few worn-out .22LRs with chambers that could conceivably accept a .22 Mag. I assume it takes a heck of a lot of shooting to get to that point (the rifles in question invariably having looked as if they had been carried through the Civil War) but you never know...
 
The .22 shorts aren't even worth shooting. You can literally see them arc in the air after you pull the trigger.

True that, however, they create the same noise level as an air gun and push a bigger pill. Which makes them excellent for pest control.

Like for the big racoon on my porch the other day. He fled the seen before he was staring down the barrel. But I opened the door and he was right there staring at me between the screen door eating the catfood. Big bugger, but I'm still confident a subsonic short would have dumped him no problem.
 
The .22 shorts aren't even worth shooting. You can literally see them arc in the air after you pull the trigger.

I love shooting 22 CB shorts out of my Taurus 22 revolver... great for beer bottles and cans that wash up on the river bank...make almost no noise.


The marlin model 60 is a great rifle and will pretty much feed any 22lr ammo. It will NOT feed shorts from the magazine!! Trust me!


If you want quiet ammo for plinking at close ranges, I've found that Aguila .22 Colibri make almost no noise whatsoever and feed no problem in my Marlin 60. They wont cycle the action though, you have to pull the bolt after every shot. Some people will warn you that they may get stuck in a rifles barrel (because they are very low velocity), but I've never had a problem with the aprox 200 rounds I've put though my rifle.
 
some would say of life, in general) is to never, ever underestimate the bounds of human stupidity.

Yep, I think it's safe to say, if can can be done then someone out there has done it.

Long story short: Buy a .22LR gun, shoot .22LR in it. Buy a .22 Mag gun, shoot .22 Mag in it. Don't worry about anything else. The end.

That's a good straight forward way to put it.
 
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