i don't understand the anti's hoopla

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went to my 5-year-old daughter's softball game tonight. around 75 people in attendance not including coaches and players. one of the spectators for the other team was open carrying a glock, and there were a couple others in attendance that had ccw's that were easy to spot (ie little or no effort taken to conceal), or the wind blew their cover-garment open and flashed their piece (was quite windy out at ~45 mph).

nobody got a second glance, cops didn't come and cuff-n-stuff, nobody got screamed at... nothing of the sort. just a few folks out enjoying the evening watching the kids play. the spectators were probably a 30-70 mix of men-women, and i'd guess that 80% of the vehicles were minivans, 20% pickups/suv's...

why can't the anti's just leave us be? everything went as expected, guns on display and everything...
 
But, but... Dianne Feinstein and Sarah Brady said every argument would become a murder and the streets would run with blood! :rolleyes: :D
 
I've seen people open-carry and I've spotted folks CCW'n'. Never felt uneasy. In fact, when in public, I'm glad they're there.
 
I mentioned this in a recent thread.
During my recent trip to Arizona, I open carried. No one noticed. No one cared. No one gave me a second look. The two police officers I walked past at a gas station smiled and nodded, I did the same. No one died. Blood did not flow from the nearest child, filling up the gutters. Women did not scream. Men did not gnash their teeth.
 
I simply can't imagine open carry in town (charlotte, decent city, lots of libs though), people are simply too 'urban' not to freak out.

In the smaller towns though, I could see it. Especially in the country...
 
why can't the anti's just leave us be?
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Because if they let us be we might do other horrible things that antis don't like. Like think for ourselves ... teach our children to think for themselves ... embrace individuality ... embrace the free market ... live our lives without their "assistance" and "guidance".


Its not about guns ... its about control.
 
I mentioned this in a recent thread.
During my recent trip to Arizona, I open carried. No one noticed. No one cared. No one gave me a second look. The two police officers I walked past at a gas station smiled and nodded, I did the same. No one died. Blood did not flow from the nearest child, filling up the gutters. Women did not scream. Men did not gnash their teeth.

Great post!
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You see, the anti's don't understand their arguement either. They've been brought up one way, and they'll defend that idea till their death. Most people just won't look into both sides with an open mind. They'll pick one side, and defend it, attacking the other.

And I catch myself doing the same thing all the time. I do my best to take time to figure out what exactly my morals are, and what my position on a topic is, but everyone blindly follows an arguement once in a while.

edit: We'll they think they understand it.

During my recent trip to Arizona, I open carried. No one noticed. No one cared. No one gave me a second look. The two police officers I walked past at a gas station smiled and nodded, I did the same. No one died. Blood did not flow from the nearest child, filling up the gutters. Women did not scream. Men did not gnash their teeth.
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We all know that they don't fear you. They fear that one in a million who shouldn't have a gun. They fear the criminals, felons, mentally unstable, who havn't yet been caught, and arn't known to be that way. There many flaws with that thinking, but I'm not going to go into depth since most everyone here understands that.
 
It may be about control to the guys in Washington, but it's not about control to the small man. To him it's simply insecure fear. To them being near a person with a gun is like standing on the side of an interstate. They see the cars zip by at 80mph, and they start thinking about all the bad things that could happen. Sure, it's safe, but they just don't trust anyone.

Edit: Hum.. Now that I think about it, it is about control. Not gaining it, but losing it. They don't want anyone to have control of their lives. And that's also apparent in gay's movement to get married, opposition to government monitoring of people, opposition to genetic engeneering, and even the push for "organic" foods.

I see.
 
Today, 08:41 PM #1
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" i don't understand the anti's hoopla

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why can't the anti's just leave us be? everything went as expected, guns on display and everything...
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I really do not know ... perhaps the fear of the anti is as great, or greater, than the fear of those that carry, or sleep with a gun. Fear is an amazing emotion.

Hook686
 
Yesterday, 10:20 PM #14
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why can't the anti's just leave us be?

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law-abiding citizens ... and able to think for ourselves.
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You realize that these are two mutually exclusive terms.

Happy Shooting

Hook686
 
You know, I never liked Texas, for the period that I lived there - but the area we were living in was extremely laid-back about open carry.

Me and my ex would go grocery shopping armed to the teeth (this included swords, we're a bit strange...) and no one even blinked.

+1 Texas.

-K
 
Must be nice, not chance of seeing that seen here in MD.
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Unless, of course, you are politically connected, wealthy or a retired police officer.

Case in point: Went to look at a boat with two others the other day and met the fellow at his dock to take it out for a spin. So, here's us, three pretty big guys, with this one slight gentleman getting ready to take $30k worth of boat out on to the river.

Since I'm not a boat guy, I just sat back and enjoyed the ride and started talking to the gentleman. I had noticed the fanny pack, but then realized that it was unzipped (unusual to leave anything unsecured on a boat ride) and was in fact a holster and he was packing (and I honestly don't blame him).

After chatting, it turns out he was a retired police officer......
 
Some learn. My friend told me about a woman who was just beaten and robbed .The middle of the day at a shopping center.She had been one of those who couldn't understand why anyone would want a gun and highly disapproved of them. Now she wants a gun and has been asking questions constantly about them !!
 
You know, I never liked Texas, for the period that I lived there - but the area we were living in was extremely laid-back about open carry.
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Khaotic,

Open carry of handguns is not legal here (unless you are hunting). Perhaps you were in Arizona. :confused:
 
Remember that Hoplophobia is just that, a phobia, an irrational fear. If you've ever known anyone with a phobia you know what I mean. My old GF was phobic about bugs, especially roaches. I don't mean "oh gross!", I mean freeze up, can't move, can't talk, can't do anything but hyperventilate with a look of total panic on her face. We were in a store once that had apparently recently been sprayed and there were some dead roaches around, I practically had to carry her out. That's how anti's view guns. It's not practical (notice few people are phobic about tigers, there's good reason to be afraid of them), it's totally irrational.
 
Dmack,

It may be about control to the guys in Washington, but it's not about control to the small man. To him it's simply insecure fear. To them being near a person with a gun is like standing on the side of an interstate. They see the cars zip by at 80mph, and they start thinking about all the bad things that could happen. Sure, it's safe, but they just don't trust anyone.

Edit: Hum.. Now that I think about it, it is about control. Not gaining it, but losing it. They don't want anyone to have control of their lives. And that's also apparent in gay's movement to get married, opposition to government monitoring of people, opposition to genetic engeneering, and even the push for "organic" foods.
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Actually, anti-gunners are all about ceding control: they think that the government does a much better job of running our lives than we could ever do. They think that the police do a much better job of protecting our lives than we could ever do.

I think you were right the first time: it's the fact that they don't trust the common man. It's not that they don't want others to have control over their lives, at all. They welcome others coming in to control their lives, because they are not courageous enough to do it for themselves. The effort of thinking and acting for oneself is too much for them. Far easier to have choices made and defenses taken on your behalf by someone else. Then these anti-gunners despise us for making them feel inadequate (which they truly are) by taking responsibility for ourselves. They can't have that -- it makes them feel threatened, makes them feel bad about who they are. So they try to take away our ability to show them up.

It's kind of like if a guy couldn't get himself laid, and had to go out and try to blow any other guy's chances of getting laid, by badmouthing him to the girls or something. The old, "If I can't have it, NO one can have it!" It's truly pathetic. :rolleyes:


-Jeffrey
 
The anti's that I know have (mostly) told me that they're OK with me C'ingCW, but that's because they know me. It's the "other guy" that worries them. I have been told by one particularly clear-thinking (IMO) anti that he'd be OK with CCW and open carry by all, assuming (by some miracle) that all could be trusted to act responsibly. Ironically, if that were the case no one would need any protection (against people) guns at all. This seems a pretty rational point of view, actually. I think therein lies the real division here: the anti's think their needs (perception of safety) are more important than the pro's needs (taking protection into our own hands). I just happen to disagree with him in that I believe my ability/responsibility to protect myself and my family should outweigh the fact that he doesn't feel safe with guns in the hands of ordinary folks.

The sad thing is, and be honest, we've all seen (or know) licensed/legal/whatever shooters that should ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY NOT have guns. Just goes to show that the line gets kinda blurry when you REALLY look.

My .02
 
Open carry of handguns is not legal here (unless you are hunting). Perhaps you were in Arizona.

That is decidedly odd, because quite a few folk did so and no one seemed to care very much, maybe it's a Texas thing ?... admittedly it was a bit of a rough neighborhood, but still, you'd think someone woulda mentioned it at least.... oy! :eek:

On a related note, several ranking members of anti-gun agendas here in MI have in the past few months been busted for, of all things, illegal firearms possession, carrying without CCW, and in one case (I think, but don't quote me) packing one with the serial numbers filed off.

Gee, they don't wanna ban guns, they want to ban everyone ELSE from having one - that's kinda scary, when you think about it.

-K
 
Dakotasin, good thread and topic - but you left out the important bit that frightens the anti-gunners: the bit when the parents of the fielders opened fire on the ball heading for the boundary, that had just been hit by the batter...

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