I don't want a Sig P365. Tell me why I'm wrong or offer options.

[alfsauve]

For many of the models there are rack assist rear plates. Adds to the profile but can be a big help.

 

[halfmoonclip]

How about the SAS? I am intrigued with that iteration, although my personal minimum is a G19.

Had a full fledged SAS, and for pocket carry, and really bad breath range, it's adequately accurate. It does come out of a pocket really well.
But the illuminated reticle only works in 'just right' light, and I had no confidence in longer range use. I traded away the SAS, but have acquired an SAS slide (without the venting); I keep trying to warm up to it. Mostly, it sits with the spares.
Offhand, I'm not sure they are still in production. Remarks over on the SIG board pretty much reflect what I've said.
Moon

 

[halfmoonclip]

For many of the models there are rack assist rear plates. Adds to the profile but can be a big help.

I've found the racking grooves on the P365 permit easy racking. Grooves that are tough to grasp is one of the reasons folks are challenged by slide racking.
I did try one of the plates on a Glock 42; I cut it down substantially, and it worked okay. Not sure such is available for the SIG.
Moon

 

[defjon]

642

 

[WheelGunMan]

The time is coming that I want to replace my 14 year old Glock 36 with something that is easier to rack the slide.

With the above being said
..getting a P365XL or a Shield Plus would pretty much have the same slide resistance as your Glock. What's to be gained other than a new gun? It's still going to be a stiff rack. I switched my EDC over to a S&W CSX because (a) I like the accoutrements of the firearm and (b) it has an easy slide with cocking ears. It's the same size as the Shield Plus.

 

[Spats McGee]

Pretty much every suggestion I would have made, has been made. So I’ll just say: (1) The Shield EZ and Equalizer are probably worth a look; (2) I understand the aversion to the ubiquitous. It’s part of what kept me away from Glocks. See if you can set that aside and weigh out pros and cons. I think the P365 is ubiquitous for a reason.

 

[Mosin77]

Polystrikers are boring and ugly. And I don’t like following the herd. But realistically they are really hard to argue with from a practical point of view. In other words, as guns they’re really good.

(Full disclosure: I’ve been putting off buying a P365 for years, mostly because I’m cheap and also love old guns, so I always end up spending my money on something less practical but more fun at the range. I cannot escape the conclusion though that at the moment, the P365 family is the superior choice for a carry gun.)

1. They’re light, ensuring they’re not a burden to carry, or punch well above their weight anyway

2. They’re ugly or at least utilitarian enough that if you scuff them, you won’t care. Vs. that beautiful PPK, 1911, revolver, etc which makes you almost cry when you see a scratch, ding, or splotch on the finish.

3. Objectively they’re cheap. Hard to beat from a value point of view. (2 and 3 together also mean that you won’t cry much if you should ever have to use the thing and it needs to live in a police evidence locker for a while.)

4. Mass adoption means the platform is well-tested. I don’t want a boutique firearm to trust my life to, I want something that they’re making thousands of and have worked out every possible kink in the assembly line, making certain that 100,000 of my fellow gun owners have beta tested it before it’s in my holster. Also means there’s plenty of choices in sights, triggers, optics, holsters, should one be inclined.

5. I can’t say I’ve shot every small gun but I’ve shot a number of them and a number of compacts too. The P365 is, for me, accurate and light-recoiling for its size.

Alternatives: Springfield Hellcat, S&W Shield +, S&W Equalizer, Ruger Max 9 (but I don’t hear great things about this one in real world experience) and various small polymer single stacks like Glock 43, S&W EZ.

 

[golden]

The SIG 365 is very good at what it is intended for. A very compact and concealable 9m.m. pistol with a high capacity magazine. It is well made, well designed and has many nice features.

BUT, I find it hard to shoot with standard pressure 9m.m. ammo and use the HORNADY Lite 100 grain jhp in mine. Compared to a GLOCK 26 and S&W 9m.m. EZ I shot recently, it is hard work

So, the question is does it fit a need? Is it too small to shoot w3ll? I found a coworker's 365XL much easier to shoot, though not as concealable.

Jim

 

[Mosin77]

Specifically in regard to being lighter to rack, the S&W EZ 9 is said to be -I have one and it’s easier than a lot of them but not as easy as the .380 version or my Sig p238. That being said it’s got little wings on the back that make it easier to grasp. The HK VP9 has similar wings, so maybe a look at the VP9sk is in order.

 

[Sovblocgunfan]

I admit, I share your eschewance of the ubiquitous (a little pleased I pulled that off with as little coffee as I’ve had today). Especially when it comes to show and tell at the range or at dove camp among my closest friends. Fun times with interesting guns.

However, ubiquitous is exactly the ticket for me when it comes to carrying. I want all the holster and magazine and accessory options and ammunition choices that are designed to perform optimally in my gun. Endless customization around a very good working tool that I shoot well. I’m happy with my no-frills, basic-bodied, standard equipment government Crown Vic equivalent. So I’m afraid I’m not going to talk you off the ledge, friend.

Would you like some Kool-Aid to wet your whistle while you decide whether to jump off or not?

 

[powermad]

Geez, what did it end up costing after throwing away so many stock parts in favor of aftermarket or other model stuff? I see that sort of thing all the time wrt P365 and Glock.

Xl grip was $25 with the mag release, sleeve was $12.
Still have the 365 grip mod and a couple of 10 round mags for it.
Xl slide and red dot were sold for what I paid for them.
Installed a Gray Guns trigger and sold the curved trigger, so about $15 for that.


Not much spent and nothing wasted...
My hammer fired Sigs are another thing though.

 

[Tallball]

My Taurus GX4 is a similar pistol, a double-stack 9mm "micro". It's fine. I like the trigger and sights. It goes bang every time. Turns out I don't like carrying something that thick.

For small 9mm I prefer the Kahrs. They're single-stack and not everyone likes their trigger, but I traded my G43 for one and was so pleased I bought several more.

Taurus GX4 9mm

• Tallball
• Apr 6, 2023

Kahr PM9

• Tallball
• Jun 20, 2023

 

[Walkalong]

Ubiquitous

I like stuff that works, and especially if it works well for me, great is even better.

I don’t care if everyone else in the world has one, or no one else has one.

 

[Anchorite]

Ubiquitous

I like stuff that works, and especially if it works well for me, great is even better.

I don’t care if everyone else in the world has one, or no one else has one.

^ wisdom

 

[CapnMac]

Your advice, opinions, or derision would be greatly appreciated

Well, this is not the Borg, there are solutions to fit nearly everyone out there.
Which is good in one way--there's a Goldilocks out there for each of us.
It's bad in that you may have to eat a lot of too hot and too cold porridge and sleep in too many too hard and too soft beds to find the phule thang.
Sometime, though, the joy is in the search.

I will admit my bias, though

365X with factory Romeo Zero sight.
It's the XL-length frame, so it uses 12 round mags natively, no need for pinch-causing adapters or the like.
It conceals easily enough for me, although that CrossBreed SuperTuck helps

It's the smallest of the fry in my net right now, and there are a lot of examples that are similar in dimension

(Commander, top center; Officer's right; 365X left; Colt 380 Government, bottom center.
Now, for "easy to rack" that list is a bit different.
That Series 70 380 Gov't is like butter, my new Astra A-70 is also sweet (likely as much to having been used a bit)

Mind my other 'easy' slide is not really an EDC candidate:

A 1903 Colt in 32acp
The real knock to haggle about with the SIG is on mag prices. You are looking at US$40-45 per each (about what Astra or 1903 mags will likely cost me).
But, there are plenty of options for holster and mag carriers with off-the-shelf fit.

This will be true for LCP. helcats, and all the rest, too. I did me; you'll have to do you.

 

[halfmoonclip]

You are looking at US$40-45 per each

SIG is almighty proud of their magazines. I've ended up with a bunch of magazines for mine, you'll run into deals here and there. Jump on them when there is an opportunity.
Moon

 

[WestKentucky]

There are other options as good as a 365 but I doubt you find anything demonstratably better. My initial thought for racking ease is a beretta 92 type gun but then your giving up at least 30 years of technological advancement, getting a bigger, heavier pistol, and really not gaining anything for it other than an easier slide operation. Revolvers have their limitations too.

 

[chicharrones]

With the above being said
..getting a P365XL or a Shield Plus would pretty much have the same slide resistance as your Glock. What's to be gained other than a new gun? It's still going to be a stiff rack. I switched my EDC over to a S&W CSX because (a) I like the accoutrements of the firearm and (b) it has an easy slide with cocking ears. It's the same size as the Shield Plus.

I'm sure it depends on the gun. I can tell you that my "same size" CZ75 PCR is very much easier to rack the slide than my G36. Even though the CZ has a much smaller area to grasp on the slide. The G36 is easier to limp wrist than the CZ as well, and I'm not getting any younger.

What I hope to gain with the new gun is ease of use compared to the G36. The option of red dot mounting is something I shouldn't overlook either. So, off to my future I go!!!!

 

[chicharrones]

642

I love revolvers, and have several. But I'm looking for an autoloader this time around.

 

[chicharrones]

A Big Thank You to all that have posted and to anyone else that comes along.

While I've known of the Sig P365 for some time, I had nooooo idea how much they can be easily tailored to the shooter until all the feedback given in this thread.

I'm really liking the P365XL with that Wilson Combat grip module that was brought up by @unclenunzie and others.

 

[Gun-Reck]

Thanks for the suggestion. I'm so accustomed to non-safety lever defense guns, I'd have a very hard time relearning a manual safety on the draw. Old dog, new tricks, and all that.

Just a little training is all.

The slide racks with the safety engaged.

So manually cocking the hammer first results in a very light slide force requirement.

 

[CapnMac]

you'll run into deals here and there. Jump on them when there is an opportunity.

Quite literally how I do it. There were some early-on packages for the 12s that looked lie they were 10s with an extension--those were sweet to pick up as "open box."

 

[chicharrones]

Just a little training is all.

The slide racks with the safety engaged.

So manually cocking the hammer first results in a very light slide force requirement.

Certainly I can do that.

Yet, my personal requirement for gauging slide racking effort on a self defense gun is malfunction clearing practice in an imagined stressful situation. So, I treat an external hammer fired pistol the same as a striker pistol or an enclosed hammer pistol when it comes to self defense guns.

 

[Rodfac]

I really want my next pistol to point like the P365,

Well....there're several reasons that so many of them have been sold and the variations continue to roll off the Sig assembly line.

For me: It feels like a duty size gun in the hand...points as well as a duty size gun,...has superb sights as it leaves the shipping box,....demonstrates "duty size gun" accuracy standards +++. and is one of the most reliable autos I've ever owned. I've had only two rounds of LSWC handloads that didn't chamber completely in over 1500 rounds of mixed handloads and factory stuff in the last 5 years.

Mine doubles with a M-60 3" Smith as my 90% usual carry gun and hides in an OWB under most any wardrobe selection short of a 'wife beater' and speedoes.

Two pics below: this is my original length 365 with 10 round mag and the 1st or 2nd target I shot with it at 10 yds, offhand at 10 yds from a Weaver Stance. 2nd Pic, in the saddle as my daily carry...T-shirt normally worn loose and outside the belt.

YMMv but it's one good CC choice that you'll not outgrow. Rod

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[Gun-Reck]

Certainly I can do that.

Yet, my personal requirement for gauging slide racking effort on a self defense gun is malfunction clearing practice in an imagined stressful situation. So, I treat an external hammer fired pistol the same as a striker pistol or an enclosed hammer pistol when it comes to self defense guns.

Good point.

This looks like an interesting solution to keep your G36 up-n-running.

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