I may replace my Glock 19 with a SIG P365 Macro

[chaim]

TL/DR:
I may get a P365 Macro to replace my G19 because I shoot my smaller P365 better than my Glock. For when I want "more" the Macro would fit that and likely shoot even better than my smaller P365. However, I'm concerned it may be a lot of money for what marginal gains I'd see, and I'm concerned that it may become yet another "theoretical" carry gun that doesn't get carried and gets passed over in favor of the P365 on a day to day basis. Anyone own both? Which gets more carry? Anyone consider the same things I'm thinking about who stayed with the P365 and didn't get the Macro?


Full post:

I'm not asking if I should trade, I want to steer clear of the "never sell a gun" advice (I may keep my Glock and just replace it in the carry rotation, I may sell it, I'm not decided). This is more about whether I really should buy a P365 Macro or not.

After nearly 25 years of shooting, I finally broke down and bought some Glocks about a year ago (first a Glock 22, I liked it and added the Glock 19, I don't shoot Glocks nearly as well as I shoot my other guns, so I added a .22lr Glock 44 so I can get a lot more practice with the grip angle for a lot less money). Well, compared to my revolvers, SIGs, 1911s and CZs, I do not shoot a Glock well at all (beyond about 7 yards, my groups with a Glock look like my groups with my other guns at about 5 yards further distance... 10 yards with a Glock look like 15 with everything else).

I intended the Glock 19 as a carry gun. In theory, I like compact service pistols as carry guns. They carry more rounds than micro-9s or traditional subcompacts (think Glock 26 or CZ RAMI). They are usually easier to shoot well (longer sight radius, less felt recoil), and due to the full grip and heavier weight they tend to have much quicker follow up shots. Meanwhile, they are still usually light enough (in polymer or aluminum) and small enough for easy carry and concealment.

Well, I shoot my regular micro-9 sized P365 better than I shoot any of my Glocks, even the full sized G22. I am much more accurate with it, and don't have any problems with quick and accurate follow up shots. A smaller and even easier to conceal gun that I shoot better than the G19 and I rarely carry the G19. Heck, with how well I shoot it, I rarely carry my CZ PCR which I do shoot better than the P365 (I'm a little more accurate and a little faster on follow up shots), I shoot the P365 so well, the marginal increases in capability and capacity aren't worth the extra bulk.

I'm considering buying the Macro to replace the G19 in the lineup. I'm thinking that since I shoot the micro-9 sized P365 so well, I'll probably do even better with the Macro. A gun that is slightly taller than the G19, but slightly smaller in all other measurements, and holds 17 rounds would be a great CCW pistol. The plan would be to carry my current P365s (I have two) when I need the smaller gun, but carry the Macro the rest of the time (I currently carry the P365s with a 12 round mag the majority of the time and only occasionally feel I need the smaller footprint of the 10 round mag). The size trade off of the Macro wouldn't be quite as big as the G19 (which still isn't bad), and I'd probably shoot it better than the P365.

That is what got me thinking about it, but I'm not sure. I already shoot the P365 well, almost as well as the larger guns that I shoot well. I am accurate, I get quick follow up shots, and it is still smaller and easier to carry than the larger compact service pistols or the potential P365 Macro. I usually carry it with 12 round mags, and I will be buying some 17 round Macro mags for when I carry spare mags. So, I have two concerns. One, that is a lot of money for what will be marginal gains (I wouldn't hesitate on this if I didn't shoot my P365 so well and the gains would be more pronounced). Second, I can easily see this gun ending up like my G19 and PCR and only getting carried once in a while because I want to and the vast majority of my carry continuing to go with the regular P365.

So, does anyone own both a P365 and the P365 Macro? If so, which gets more carry time? Anyone have the P365 and consider the Macro and decide against it?

 

[chaim]

Sorry, an additional clarification...

I'm not even 100% asking for opinions on if I should get the P365 Macro or not. Even if I am pretty certain that I would almost never carry it and that I'd stick with my regular P365 for the majority of my carry time, I still may end up getting the Macro. I love the P365 (enough that I bought a 2nd one) and would enjoy another variation of the platform. However, if I'm only likely buying it as a range toy, then it will be considered differently. If it will be a CCW, and possibly become my primary CCW, it will be high on the priority list for next purchase. If it will be a range toy, it will be competing with a S&W 57, another .357mag (a 4" this time), a Taurus 856 Defender, a Colt Python, an FN HP, a Beretta 92, and a few others so there may be others that I buy first. So this is less a "should I buy the Macro" thread and more of a "how much should it be a priority vs. other options" thread.

 

[starling]

LOL... sounds like you are just bored. Im not much of a Glock guy but they are excellent pistols. I would just leave your CCW choice alone and get the Macro when its convenient. I tend to just find pistols that work for me concerning CCW and leave things alone though. No point in second guessing things once you develop trust in your CCW. A lot of my CCWs are old designs that have proven themselves over time as I dont like surprises in carry pistols. Range shooting is a whole different thing of course. I shoot all sorts of stuff I dont carry out on the range.

Doesnt sound like there is any rush in getting your Macro. If you are CCW-ing a Glock 19 and are familiar/capable with it you are well armed.

Personally if I needed a primary carry pistol and had to chose between the two I would hands down chose the Glock 19.... and I dont even particularly like Glocks all that much even though I shoot them well. P365 would be a downgrade for me in that case.

 

[Rule3]

Maybe sleep on it for a few nights and the answer will become clear.

 

[InTheSwamp]

"Gun Counselor" outght to be a full accredited profession, just like Marriage Counselor.

Seems to me you're having a tough time getting rid of the G-wife, for a new, younger one.

Take her to the range a few more times before you make the decision to ditch her.

 

[Balrog]

I switched from carry Glock 19 to Sig P365 XL. It made a big difference. P365 XL is more comfortable to carry, and not much different than my regular P365.

 

[Alllen Bundy]

I have a P365 and a P365XL. I have XL size hands with very long fingers. I've held the X-Macro in the gun shop, but for my particular hands it doesn't fit as well as the P365XL grip module. Granted, I didn't try the other size back straps to see if they would fit my hand better.

I have added a 2.0 oz tungsten weight inside of my P365XL grip module, which improves the balance when the magazine is low on ammunition. The X-Macro grip module does NOT have the recess inside of the grip module to add the weight.

So for these 2 reasons I do NOT plan to buy the X-Macro grip module. Although, I might try the 17 rd magazine inside my XL grip module.

If you like the way that the P365 shoots you will probably prefer the way the P365 X-Macro or P365XL shoot.

Why not buy P365XL and also buy an extra X-Macro grip module and 17 rd magazine, or buy an X-Macro and an extra XL grip module and 12 rd magazine? It may take some shooting time before you decide which you like better.

You can also install the longer XL slide on your P365 grip module. It takes less than 30 seconds to swap the grip modules. You can mix and match the slides and grip modules to fit your carry needs for the day.

 

[chaim]

Doesnt sound like there is any rush in getting your Macro. If you are CCW-ing a Glock 19 and are familiar/capable with it you are well armed.

Yeah, I don't need to rush. I have a lot of good guns theoretically in my carry rotation (the two P365s, several 2" and 3" revolvers, my CZ PCR and my Glock 19), two that are sometimes in and sometimes out (my S&W 1911SC, and my S&W 625MG for woods carry), and several others that could be but I don't really plan to carry (my CZ 75B Compact, SIG P229, Kel Tec Pf-9, Ruger LCP). Also, my P365s meet my needs the vast majority of the time, and a 17 round mag for reloads would extend that as well.

I don't actually shoot the Glock 19 that well (I'd term it "combat accurate" for me, but most of my other guns, including my little P365s inspire much more confidence). Otherwise, I'd not really be looking for something else, especially since with the capability of my P365 I don't really need the bigger gun necessarily. Still, I like the idea of the larger gun for carry when practical, and while I love my PCR, I want something a little lighter for regular use.

Why not buy P365XL and also buy an extra X-Macro grip module and 17 rd magazine, or buy an X-Macro and an extra XL grip module and 12 rd magazine...

You can also install the longer XL slide on your P365 grip module. It takes less than 30 seconds to swap the grip modules. You can mix and match the slides and grip modules to fit your carry needs for the day.

I'm not really interested in the separate grip modules or slides. I've had SIG modular guns for some time now, I just recently sold my SIG P250 I've had for I'm not even sure how long. The full kit is close enough to the price of a full gun that I'd prefer to get the separate guns and have both/all configurations I want ready to go with no adjustments, and just the grip adapter or slide may be cheaper but I'd still prefer separate guns fully ready to go.

What I didn't look into but should is whether the 17 round mags have a grip adapter allowing it to fit into the 12 round XL grip module like they have for the 12 round mags on the standard micro-9 version of the P365. If so, then I probably should look at the XL. The versatility of so easily being able to switch between the flush 10 round mags when concealment needs call for it and using the more capable 12 round mags (with the grip adapter filling in the space for the longer grip purchase) the rest of the time is why I went with 2 P365s instead of the P365X. If I can do the same thing with the longer P365XL, that may be worth going with instead of the P365X Macro. That would give me comparable versatility with the longer barrel/sight radius which would be nice.

 

[Alllen Bundy]

What I didn't look into but should is whether the 17 round mags have a grip adapter allowing it to fit into the 12 round XL grip module like they have for the 12 round mags on the standard micro-9 version of the P365.

Both MGW and Osage County Guns having photos showing that the 17 rd magazine comes with 3 adapter floorplates to fit the X-Macro, P365XL, and the P365.

My normal carry method will allow me to carry with the P365XL or the P365X configuration. But I prefer the XL because of the longer sight radius and slightly higher muzzle velocity. I relegate the P365 configuration for pocket carry when I can't use my normal carry method.

 

[sparkyv]

I carry only one firearm with a simple manual of arms. Striker fired with no safety, the standard P365. I don't rotate with other firearms so I don't confuse myself in a high stress situation.

 

[SwampWolf]

It seems like you've spent a lot of time answering your own question. I think you're at a point of time in your shooting experience and knowledge where only you can decide what's best for yourself. Other random opinions might serve only to further muddy the water.

 

[actionexpress]

Both MGW and Osage County Guns having photos showing that the 17 rd magazine comes with 3 adapter floorplates to fit the X-Macro, P365XL, and the P365.

I bought a couple of Macro mags when they became available, they do indeed include base plates for the XL, regular 365 module. Oddly, and by accident I crammed the macro mag in my CZ P-10 C and it locked in, fed perfectly. It didn't lock back on empty, but was cool it worked nonetheless.

I do like the macro comp quite a bit, but it took a little getting used to.

 

[CDW4ME]

"how much should it be a priority vs. other options" thread.

I'm reading that you shoot the Sig 365 well, but sometimes "rotate" to a 2'' or 3'' revolver for carry instead of the Sig 365.
My advice: Stop that.
Sig 365 > revolver
Consistency > inconsistency
That said, a revolver is acceptable as "back-up" to the Sig 365.

 

[jmr40]

That's certainly a viable option. I don't plan to sell my G19's, I have 2 of them as well as other guns. But my P365 has become my go-to pistol. For times when I want to conceal it I use the standard 10 round mags. When concealing it is less important, I have some 12 round mags for it.

That works for me and if I want more capacity I still have the G19's that will take 15,17,19, or 33 round mags. In fact one of my G19's has the grip cut down to accept 10 and 12 round G26 mags as well as the others. But the Sig might be better for you.

I'm beginning to like Sig better than Glock. But I'm not ready to go all in with just Sig. At least not yet.

 

[Coyote3855]

I've flirted with a Hellcat Pro, Glocks 48 and 43X. Keep coming back to my Gen 4 19. Hear good things about the P365 but have never shot one.

 

[Iggy]

The P365 10 round mag can easily be converted to 12 rounds and the 12 rounder to 14 with
Mag guts conversion kits. They don’t extend the length of the magazines but a fraction of an inch.
You can even load that last round much easier.

 

[drobs]

I couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with my P365 and sold it. A friend brought over his Red Dot mounted 365XL and I shot great with that. However it didn't convince me to buy one.

My carry rotation is a Ruger LC9s Pro (striker fired no manual safety) and Glock 43X (striker fired no manual safety). I carry 2 spare mags with the Ruger - a 7rd and and 8rd mag. I use a 15rd Shield Arms Mag (+1 in the chamber) in my Glock 43X. For a backup mag I carry a 15rd Shield Arms mag with a +5 Taran Tactical base plate for a 20rd reload.

So what am I getting at? If I were you, I would carry the 17rd mag as backup mag for your P365.

RE buying the Macro - flip a coin.

 

[JR24]

Tried to do that with an XL, even thought it was perfect for a while.

Back to the Glock 19. It just fits me better.

Sig is still nice for really hot days or when I need something smaller, but most days I’m back to the plane Jane Glock 19

 

[Alllen Bundy]

The P365 10 round mag can easily be converted to 12 rounds and the 12 rounder to 14 with Mag guts conversion kits. They don’t extend the length of the magazines but a fraction of an inch.
You can even load that last round much easier.

My accelerated life testing of the 14 rd MagGuts spring has shown that it loses it's spring force at about the same rate as the stock 12 rd Sig spring. Loaded to capacity, the 14 rd MagGuts spring has less spring force than the Sig 12 rd spring, which makes it easier to load, and easier to retract the slide over a magazine loaded to capacity. Yet it has just as much spring force as the 12 rd Sig spring with only one round left in the magazine. That amounts to a slight reliability improvement with the MagGuts spring kit with a +2 rd capacity improvement. The MAgGuts floorplate extends downward only about 1/8" longer than the stock Sig floorplate.

 

[Alllen Bundy]

The one serious drawback to the Sig P365 series is the insanely high magazine cost!!!

You also need to make a choice between the straight or the curved trigger. It doesn't have any effect on the actual break of the trigger. But the triggers feel different. The curved trigger has more room inside the trigger guard to fit a gloved finger, which can be an advantage in colder weather.

The trigger pull force at the tip of the trigger is identical between the two triggers. If you have a wide trigger finger you will be pulling the trigger and nearly the same point with either trigger and the trigger pull force will be the same. If you have a thin trigger finger you can pull the flat trigger closer to the tip of the trigger, giving you more leverage and a reduced trigger pull force, although you will need to pull the trigger a slightly further distance before it breaks.

This is mostly a personal preference issue.

 

[Tinman357]

CHAIM:

I'd be willing to bet that the reason you shoot the 365 better is because of the smaller diameter grip. If that turns out to be the case (you decide) then you are right in getting the Macro.

I went about it the long way. I bought the 365 when it first came out. It quickly proved itself and went into carry rotation for when my 1911 doesn't work on warmer days. Then I got the XL but didn't like the longer grip, so got the standard grip and put it on the XL.

Long story short, wound up with 2 365's and 1 XL. I have 10 standard magazines that have been upgraded with Mag gutz to hold 12. They all fit in all 3 pistols giving me 13 +1. I took the 2 12rd mags and upgraded to 14 with the mag gutz and spacers to use as primary reloads.

For me, the Macro doesn't bring much to the table. But, I see where it would for you. I think your reasoning is well thought out.

I've fired a Macro enough to know that it doesn't shoot like the standard 365 even with the longer mags. It's hard to quantify, but its different enough that I don't want the Macro. Not to throw a wrench into your thought process, but the XL with the standard grip isn't giving up anything to the Macro. If max capacity is more important than shootability, then get the Macro, or the Macro magazines with spacers for the standard grip.

I would have tried that already, but WA has a new magazine ban that prohibits 10+ magazines. Until that law is overtuned. I have what I have and do the best I can.

Seriously. Try out the Macro before you take the plunge.

 

[Ks5shooter]

Good thing about all my Glocks is no matter which I carry they all have same controls and are intuitive.No "does it have a safety or not " contemplation.

 

[Old Dog]

As I've noted previously a few times in this very forum, I'm almost sold on the SIG P-365 XL being the perfect (well, at least the perfect compromise selection) carry pistol in existence. Ergonomics, excellent sights, sweet trigger, size/weight, it just fits great, carries easily, shoots like a much bigger pistol and is so dang reliable. Full disclosure, although I've always been either a DA/SA or 1911 guy, this pistol has become a regular companion.

 

[Tallball]

You know you want it!

 

[actionexpress]

TL/DR:
So, does anyone own both a P365 and the P365 Macro? If so, which gets more carry time? Anyone have the P365 and consider the Macro and decide against it?

In succession of one another, I've had the regular 365 since 2018, added an X, and a Macro. I did have an XL, just never cared for it. I found the X was the sweet spot for me, or the regular 365 w/ a 12 round mag. I got a Macro comp when they came out, just never got used to the grip, but it was a pretty flat shooter. Just having the 17 round mags for my X is good enough for me, they work great.