I guess the SIG P226 "NAVY" was not cool enough...

[brnmuenchow]

Just heard that Sig Sauer has released for the first time ever approved new MK. 25 US Navy Special Warfare Units ("SEALS") Official pistol. So owning and loving my P226 "NAVY" I was curious and looked up the specs. The only difference I see on paper at this point is it's got "SIGLITE" night sights, a UID identification label. (Also some anti-corrosion and chromed internals that my "NAVY" also has.) The MK. 25 is listed at $1,142.00 vs. the "NAVY" that is listed for $1,038.00. So basically until I see one for myself or someone swears otherwise the only real difference is a tag, and night sights. So if anyone else out there gets a chance to look at one and compares it to a "NAVY" please feel free to correct my oppinion on a simple marketing ploy.

My father wanted to compare his P226 "Blackwater" to my "NAVY" and there were differences you could see besides the magazine cap. --That I get.

 

[PabloJ]

I would prefer the 'Navy' but most out there would prefer one with "Private American Foreign Legion" name on the slide.

 

[brnmuenchow]

The sales guy offered those "SIGLITE" night sights for about $100 to put on mine but I decided not too and keep the gun origional, It's one of the best semi-auto pistols I have ever owned. As far as buying it for the reason that the SEALS use it did not even cross my mind. My father purchased a P226 "Blackwater" so I had some time on the range with it, then when I started to compare the two the "Blackwater" is simply a std. P226 internally (Except for the trigger funtion was a little different) the mag. cap was 20 rds. and it had the "Blackwater" engravings on it "all-in-all a great gun". The "NAVY" seemed to be an all around different version of the std. P226 or "Blackwater" models so I got it and never looked back. Plus I figured since he got a specialty P226 getting the std. model would be boring so I went with the "NAVY".

 

[txgunsuscg]

The MK25 has a true Picatinny accessory rail instead of Sig's mildly retarded bowed Picatinny look-a-like. I believe the internals are also finished differently, but that is hearsay. You can see the difference in the rail from the pics if you see them side by side...

 

[rellascout]

Another Kimber version Sig...Thanks Cohen.

 

[Tecolote]

As much as dislike SIGs current marketing the new P226 Navy is one small step in the right direction. It's an exact duplicate of what SIG supplies NSW. It's not the P226 rail "Navy" that came without the phosphate internals.

 

[rellascout]

As much as dislike SIGs current marketing the new P226 Navy is one small step in the right direction. It's an exact duplicate of what SIG supplies NSW. It's not the P226 rail "Navy" that came without the phosphate internals.

I agree the orginals Navy had no rail. It was the same as the "real" NSW guns. They had a NSW serial number. Stainless slide anchor phosphate etc.....





This one is at least the same as what some of the NSW uses.

 

[archigos]

What exactly is the "UID identification label"?

 

[HKGuns]

"Kimber version" Sig?

Perhpas I don't understand what you are saying, but this is the M25 model they're selling the USN with the phosphate coated internals.

UID is http://www.barcoding.com/faq/uid_compliance.shtml#whatis

 

[Owen]

The UID is a barcode, and is required by DOD on all small arms. The change from P226R Navy for MK25 is because the Navy finally requested nomenclature. The difference between the P226R Navy and the MK25 is ging to be in the markings.

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[millertyme]

Wow. You have a Transformer? What does it change into?

 

[GWARGHOUL]

Wow. You have a Transformer? What does it change into?

... a computer!

 

[rellascout]

Perhpas I don't understand what you are saying, but this is the M25 model they're selling the USN with the phosphate coated internals.

Right which is a perfect example of the KimbercohenSig marketing model. Tons of special editions which people pay higher prices for because of the cool factor not for any real practical benefit.

How many of the commerical market packs a P226 at the beach? How many of us dive in salt water with our P226? I have seen Sig slides and frames rust but I have never seen an internal part of a Sig rust......

The UID is a barcode, and is required by DOD on all small arms. The change from P226R Navy for MK25 is because the Navy finally requested nomenclature. The difference between the P226R Navy and the MK25 is ging to be in the markings.

And CohenSig sees an opportunity to cash in on that request. Its all hype with a high $$$ price tag for those who feel the need to be tactical cool. IMHO YMMV

 

[Owen]

right, but this model actually reflects a nomenclature change by a prestigious customer. its not like a company that slathers SOCOM all over products that aren't used by SOCOM, or were perhaps simply evaluated by SOCOM and never purchased. It really is the gun the SEALs are being issued.

 

[HKGuns]

^^^My point exactly^^^ Not that Seal's using them means anything. It just makes sense to have them in your civilian catalog unless production run costs are too high. It isn't like you have to R&D an entire new model.

HK and Sig both miss out on this opportunity. If I were HK I'd start selling MR556's with Bin Laden decals and targets.

Kimber? No-one uses Kimber in a combat scenario! It'd scratch the finish and stop working!

 

[rellascout]

Kimber? No-one uses Kimber in a combat scenario! It'd scratch the finish and stop working!

You clearly do not understand the reference to Kimber.....

If you don't know your past then you don't know your future.

 

[rellascout]

right, but this model actually reflects a nomenclature change by a prestigious customer. its not like a company that slathers SOCOM all over products that aren't used by SOCOM, or were perhaps simply evaluated by SOCOM and never purchased. It really is the gun the SEALs are being issued.

They slather all sorts of names on all sorts pistols which people buy because of the stupid marketing hype. They rename and rebrand the same pistols with different grips, different coatings, engrave it etc... up the price and people eat it up. Its absurd.

The list goes on and on.

 

[Lonestar49]

Easy on the students.. they're part of the future.. lol

You clearly do not understand the reference to Kimber.....

If you don't know your past then you don't know your future.

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Sizzle does create the impulse buy, no getting around that.. be it guns, cars, boats, etc., and Cohen knows it but at what cut in quality, seen or "unseen".. ? And, as is the same with antiques, old school guns, etc., hold or go up in value based on the same model gun, of today, but not the same quality where it really counts - over the short haul (out of the box) or the long haul.

And, think of it this way, the more they go up and people buy them, pay for them today, tomorrow, etc., the more valuable the old school guns become, based on the same internal and external sizzle the old school guns offer in old school parts, craftsmanship of those who put them together, and their proven service life w/accuracy, still on-ongoing

2 can play the_game..


Ls

 

[HKGuns]

Student? I'm likely old enough to be your father. You can leave the condescending remarks out of the thread.

Not going to apologize for not following Kimber close enough for either of you. I've never owned one and would never buy one, they're all show and no go.

Sig at least has a solid history and reputation for quality firearms and all of this is no different than the tens of thousands of commemorative Winchester lever guns you'll find on the market.

 

[Lonestar49]

Ok, *Teacher was bit harsh.. so

...

Fair enough, as I'm up there in age like you.. so out of mutual respect -

*Shouldn't be so rough on those who know little or nothing about Kimbers past..

That's for the_teacher..

Student? I'm likely old enough to be your father. You can leave the condescending remarks out of the thread.

Not going to apologize for not following Kimber close enough for either of you.

Believe me, no apology needed nor expected.. Teacher has a way of getting under the skin of some.. lol


Ls

 

[rellascout]

Student? I'm likely old enough to be your father. You can leave the condescending remarks out of the thread.

Not going to apologize for not following Kimber close enough for either of you. I've never owned one and would never buy one, they're all show and no go.

Sig at least has a solid history and reputation for quality firearms and all of this is no different than the tens of thousands of commemorative Winchester lever guns you'll find on the market.

Ron Cohen is the President of Sig Sauer now. Since he has come to Sig he has increased output by going after LEO/Govt contracts building large economy of scale within the Sig production.

He then have cheapened the existing product in every way possible. Almost every single new gun produced under his management has had at best teething issues. Sig 556, Sig 1911 P250, P238, P290 etc.... all have had their issues and the consumer = beta tester for every single one of these.

They have taken the proven P series designs and created bling models which focus on looks vs the actual gun and you pay a premium for it..... At the same time QC has gone to down. Reported problems are up.... This is not your fathers Sig Sauer.

Guess who used to run Kimber..? Kimber was a great company producing great 1911s and then Cohen grew the volume and QC went to pot and their rep went to crap.

 

[HKGuns]

No harm, nor foul Lonestar.......Rella, Cohen sounds like a prototypical MBA clone who has his playbook. Not an ounce of leadership or accountability, just flash, hoping no-one will notice before he makes his millions. Seen a thousand of those types all around me at work. I laugh at them, then continue the process of driving my teams for results.

But I still like the M25, because it was designed for a purpose.

 

[Onmilo]

UID acceptance on genuine SEAL issue Sig P239

This handgun also displays the SIGLITE (Trijicon) tritium illuminated sight system.

 

[Owen]

The UID isn't an acceptance mark, its a machine readable serial number. When the DOD receives a crate of weapons, it comes with a CD with a cross reference, to associate the UID with the serial number. It radically speeds up inventory accounting, and nearly eliminates transcription errors.

Its covered by MIL-STD-130

 

[txgunsuscg]

I would buy the MK25 over a standard railed Sig, with the exception of the Combat, which I believe also has the true Picatinny rail. I would rather have a real rail than the weird Sig copy, which does not allow the accessories (lights, in my case) enough purchase. And I would rather have an extra protection against rust than not, so yeah, if I wanted a Sig, I'd look at this gun first. Has nothing to do with the SEAL label....