I hate Bloomberg, but he's a smart S.O.B.

[Creature]

Arkansas Paul wrote: It's the people on the fence, the ones who aren't so well informed that are going to be swayed by it.

MachIVshooter responded:Your average gun owner isn't a hunter or a hick, so they won't identify with this actor's portrayal.

The actual hicks & hunters will be insulted/offended by the stereotype, so they won't be swayed.

Basically, it's not going to resonate with anyone who didn't already agree.

Thats actually interesting that you say that...because I watched that commercial in the presence of a so-called 'fence sitter' who is undecided on what the governement should do...he turned to me and said:

"See!! Even that guy wants some gun control. And he is obviously a gun-rights dude!".

Exact words.

So, as you can see, that PSA had the opposite effect of what you predicted...for at least one viewer.

 

[kwguy]

That's how it's going to work for most 'fence sitters'. Lets face it, if you're actually on the fence now, with the resources available today to be able to do research and make up your own mind, then you fall into one of three camps:

-Us

-Anti

-One that is just too lazy to figure it out for themselves, so they will let someone else 'figure it out for them' in the form of ads, etc.

That may hurt some folks feelings to be put into that camp, but the fact is that if they are on the fence, then they truly don't care enough about the matter to even try. So those ads will work on them.

 

[Creature]

The fence sitter I spoke of is definitely not lazy about this whole debate...as he is truly struggling with the question of gun-control and 2nd Amendment. I would have to say that there is definitely a fourth camp.

 

[Arkansas Paul]

I agree with MachIVshooter that the average gun owner is not an uneducated hick.
But it's not the average gun owner they're targeting. It's the ones like Creature mentioned. Now, we all know that it was an actor in the commercial. Who knows whether he actually is a gun owner or not. But some people believe everything they hear. And a lot of those people vote.

 

[kwguy]

I would have to say that there is definitely a fourth camp.

I understand about the '4th camp', but it seems like they are overthinking the entire issue. It's pretty simple to understand the meaning and intent behind the 2nd Amendment.

 

[Leanwolf]

CREATURE - "... "See!! Even that guy [the actor] wants some gun control. And he is obviously a gun-rights dude!".

Creature, the next time you see your friend, you might explain to him that "that guy" is an actor, either from New York or Los Angeles. You might also explain to him that it is a commercial, just like all the other commercials on teeeveee. The extremely anti-Second Amendment mega-billionaire Michael Bloomberg who commissioned it and the writers and producers at the ad agency who wrote and filmed it, want to "sell" you something. Apparently your friend "bought the product" and never blinked an eye or questioned any of it.

You might explain to him that a person or persons in the advertising agency hired by Bloomberg to write the commecial, scripted every single word of the actor's spiel.

There are thousands of actors in Hollywood and New York who work in commercials who are listed with commercial acting agents and commerical casting agents in both Los Angeles and New York. Working in a Class A commercial such as Bloomberg has commissioned, is very lucrative.

If your friend is so gullible as to not be able to comprehend he was gulled by a non-hunting, non-gunowning actor who just read the prepared script and worked for the $$$$ and residuals, your friend is beyond understanding any logic anyway.

L.W.

 

[kwguy]

Hey Leanwolf, waaaait a minute... you mean those guys on TV are like, pretending? Don't tell me that reality TV isn't real?! But it says 'REALITY', it's gotta be real!

Man, there goes all my research, right out the window...

 

[Outlaw Man]

I saw the same commercial. I immediately sent Mr Bloomberg an email thanking him for his concern over Arkansans' safety but that we don't want his east coast politics here. I followed up with emails to both Senators.

You can count on my contribution if someone makes that commercial about the New York politician.

 

[22-rimfire]

Bloomberg has his pet agendas. It is essentially about self preservation and power. Michael Bloomberg has made a lot of money and continues to make a lot of money. You think everybody likes him? He has probably made plenty of enemies. Hence, controlling the regular folks is in his self interest but he tries to paint a picture that he is trying to help everyone when in fact I doubt he cares about the little people.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

Goal 1 is to cut down on number of guns sold to non-criminal civilians.
Goal 2 is to disarm civilians.
Goal 3 is to disarm civilian criminals.

Crime in big city politics is like perpetual war with Eastasia/Eurasia in Big Brother's Oceania in Nineteen Eighty-Four: the means of control over the population. Goal Three is not a goal.

Besides Goal 3 will never be accomplished. 2006 British Home Office Report 298 ten years after the 1996 handgun ban details how Britain has a new class of criminal: the Armourer and intervciews with incarcerated criminals reveal that they claim they can be armed within a week of release, with anything from a handgun to a submachinegun depending on how mush cash they have. If you outlaw guns, outlaws will have guns. Prohibition puts profit in the black market.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

I watched that commercial in the presence of a so-called 'fence sitter' who is undecided on what the governement should do...he turned to me and said:

"See!! Even that guy wants some gun control. And he is obviously a gun-rights dude!"

And in his other commercial, where he wears a white lab coat and says nine out of ten doctors recommend Preparation J, he is obviously a doctor.:banghead: Actors reading lines.

We already have some gun control--a pile of gun control--that is largely ignored by criminals and burdens mainly the lawabiding who try to learn and follow it.

 

[gym]

This type of obsession only goes away when the obsessed person passes on or get's so old that they vanish from the public eye. There are a bunch of these "old" politicians, like Feinstein and Bloomberg, who will continue to fight for what they believe in until they are a memory.
Until then we must make every effort to counter their moves, like a chess game. he has money but we have numbers, Plus he won't be around in 20 years, as most of the rest of them.
The younger people who take their place will have less of a bone to pick with guns, as many of them shoot "and don't make it public", and also don't have the same belief system as these old geezers.
They also watch movies and play video games, "if they have kids". They are exposed more to the kinds of things that a "Pelosi & Bloomberg" never were.
I don't think Bloomy and Nancy play "Call of Duty", but I bet a lot of senators and congressmen's kids do.

 

[Leanwolf]

KW GUY - "Hey Leanwolf, waaaait a minute... you mean those guys on TV are like, pretending? Don't tell me that reality TV isn't real?! But it says 'REALITY', it's gotta be real!"

Why, of course it is.

L.W.

 

[beatledog7]

Bloomberg smart?

I seriously doubt he's all that brilliant, but he does know one thing which he uses very well: With as much money as he has, you don't have to be smart. You can have your way with most people by just paying them off.

 

[goldie]

I wish i had the 12 million dollars he wasted on these ads,im sure everyone on these boards can put that kind of money to better personal use.what a waste ; it makes me sick!

 

[vito]

What many of you out in the hinterlands may not understand is how so-called sophisticated people view those of us who do not live in NY or Los Angeles. They actually think that anyone not in those two cities are simple minded rubes who need smart New Yorkers making decisions for them. A long, long time ago I worked for one of he largest ad agencies in the country, right in the heart of the NYC advertising district. This was where I first heard the expression "fly over country" referring to anything between the two coasts. Those smart New Yorkers, ironically since many had grown up themselves in rural or suburban areas far from NYC, viewed the rest of the country with condescension and disdain. Their thought process was that if you had half a brain you would have left wherever it was you lived and moved to NYC with the other intelligent people. And how could these smart folks, epitomized by Mayor Bloomberg, not be uncomfortable knowing that us dumb non-New Yorkers actually had guns and know how to use them? When I recently was discussing guns and gun control with my grown nephew in the suburbs of NYC, asking him how he would protect his family against intruders he responded with "I keep a baseball bat beside my bed". When I asked him how confident he was that this would be sufficient against an armed intruder he became visibly uncomfortable. But then he stated that he didn't want a gun in his home, that he trusted that the police would protect him, and that "everyone knows that guns are more likely to get you killed then to help protect you", and on and on. I am the "crazy uncle" who rides a motorcycle, owns guns and most unbelievable to him and the rest of my East Coast relatives, I am a member of the dreaded and hated NRA. The sad part is that these NY inspired anti-gun commercials will actually resonate in their similar thinking urban citizens in many big cities around the country. We need to remain vigilant and active or we will lose our 2nd Amendment rights to these elitists who believe they know what is best for us, and could care less that we disagree with them.

 

[swalton1943]

I was thinking I was paranoid until I read the paper today and they said t
hat "gun owners overwhealmingly supported universal background checks." They are out to get our guns; no background check=crime=criminal=can't pass b/g ck=confiscate gun.

 

[Vector]

In the second video, with his finger off the trigger but not properly indexed, the actor says, "closing loopholes will stop criminals...from buying guns."

Excuse me, but do existing laws against drunk driving, robbery, and murder prevent drunk driving, robbery, and murder? If they do, then why do we still have drunk driving, robbery, and murder?

Laws don't stop criminals. All laws do is give us a process by which we arrest criminals, charge them, try them, and eventually release them back into society. Lather, rinse, repeat.

`+1

 

[leadcounsel]

Sad that taxpayer money is routinely used to strip us of our rights.

 

[-v-]

When I recently was discussing guns and gun control with my grown nephew in the suburbs of NYC, asking him how he would protect his family against intruders he responded with "I keep a baseball bat beside my bed". When I asked him how confident he was that this would be sufficient against an armed intruder he became visibly uncomfortable. But then he stated that he didn't want a gun in his home, that he trusted that the police would protect him, and that "everyone knows that guns are more likely to get you killed then to help protect you", and on and on.

Very interesting. Plus, I think you just found a chinc in his reasoning to get him to start thinking.

The one other thing I will caution everyone is don't discount Bloomberg. I don't know who to attribute the quote of "Don't hate your enemy, because that clouds your objective judgment of them". At the end of the day, Bloomberg is a very smart individual with great business savvy. So far one thing we are benefiting from is that he is not throwing his full focus behind the gun initiative -- he has other things on his plate like running the city. If his message is finding resonance with city dwellers, that is not good news for us.

 

[Pilot]

Anyone that really believes an actor on a TV commercial is really the kind of person he is trying to portray, must NOT be too swift.

 

[vito]

Pilot: Did you not watch any political advertising last fall? Ad after ad, with actors, using all sort of scare tactics to frighten seniors, women, etc. about the terrible things that would happen if Romney were elected. Yes, people believe what they see, albeit with some skepticism, but the message works. How much beer is sold by ads showing (actors) people having a fabulous time while drinking a certain brand of beer? They don't need to believe that the specific person they see in the ad is actually what he/she appears to be, only that this portrayal mirrors a reality (to them). Having an ordinary looking guy, in a flannel shirt, holding a gun stating the anti-gun message is probably a lot more effective than if Bloomberg himself faced the camera and said we need "common sense gun control". And since Bloomberg is said to be worth about $20 billion, we need to be glad that he doesn't throw a lot more than $12 million (pocket change for him) into this effort. I fear that if a guy like Bloomberg, with the help of George Soros, truly committed all of their assets to this effort we would not stand a chance. Every single NRA member would have to donate about $10,000 each to give the NRA the same amount of cash that Bloomberg and Soros possess together, and that sure is not going to happen.

 

[joeschmoe]

Romney significantly outspent Obama, so that disproves the theory that money buys votes. I'd bet Blumbpbert has spent more on shoes and suits than he has on this campaign. Comparing his vast wealth to $12 million shows hes not really very committed to this.

 

[Arkansas Paul]

Anyone that really believes an actor on a TV commercial is really the kind of person he is trying to portray, must NOT be too swift.

Agree 100%.
However, even those who are not too swift get to vote. :banghead: