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So after some consideration and pricing around, i have finally decided to get a rcbs "Rock chucker" (?) single stage. I am pretty much clueless on reloading, i dont know a grain from a gram! I am learning though and hopefully i will know a little more after browsing the THR archives and going through my manuals. I am using a powder, mp200 (somchem) and i was wondering what is the closest powder you guys in the states use? Any info would be appreciated! I hear that hodgons universal is pretty close?

p.s. I will be loading for 9mm luger/para and .38spl/.357mag.
 
Congratulations on joining the rest of us in this hobby. I find it endlessly interesting, occasionally frustrating, and always enjoyable. I can't help you with your powder. I've never heard of it. But here's a chart with burn rates.
Your powder is on it. This should give you an idea of what powders are similar in burn rates. Yours is number 70 on the list.

http://www.reloadersnest.com/burnrates.asp

I did want to let you know you did well with your choice of a Rock Chucker. I got one when I first started reloading and have stayed with it ever since. Works great and lasts forever.
 
Thanks Murphster, according to that chart, how far up or down do you think i can go to get a safe comparative powder? BTW somchem is South African, kinda like me!:)
 
Thanks Murphster, according to that chart, how far up or down do you think i can go to get a safe comparative powder? BTW somchem is South African, kinda like me!

Burning rate isn't everything in a powder, but the powders on either side of #70 ought to be very close in burning rate. If you tell us what cartridge you're reloading, we can make some recommendations as to a good powder.
 
I would like to start off with 115gr lrn 9mm and 140? 158gr lrn .38sp.
 
CORDITE,

If you're going to reload pistol, I would reconsider the press you're purchasing and think about at minimum getting a Lee Classic Turret press with safety prime and Pro Auto Disk measure. This is a farly simple outfit for a new person to learn on and can be had with accessories for about the same money as the Rock chucker.

Pistol rounds tend to be shot up quickly and it gets frustating because you'll find on a single stage you shoot them up faster than you can reload them.

Here's a list of stuff a new reloader might want to think about:

Thinking about Reloading and Reloading Equipment Basics

Before you get any of the reloading equipment on the equipment list below, you’ll want to do some reading. You won’t need all of them, but here’s are some good manuals to
start with:

The ABC's of Reloading (I strongly advise starting with this one.)
Metallic Cartridge Reloading (I strongly advise buying this one second.)
Speer Manual #13
Modern Reloading by Richard Lee
Lyman Metallic Reloading Handbook
Hornady 5th Edition Reloading Handbook (2 volume set)

1. A reloading press-for what you're doing, you’ll need to know what type of cartridge and in what quantities before a press can be advised, think on how much you think you'll shoot. This is the most important set of decision making you have regarding selection of equipment – how much, what type and in what quantities.

Generally speaking, a single stage press may be better for more accurate cartridges in rifle and providing solid control of the reloading process for a new reloader. The only drawback is the volume of produced rounds versus the effort required can be low. The RCBS Rock Chucker, the Lee Classic Cast Press Redding Boss and Forester Coax are all excellent choices. (However, the new Lee Classic Turret Press, capable of 200 rounds or better per hour, is beefy and may very well be a good choice for rifle as well. I should note you can easily reload smaller calibers like .223 on most progressives, but for ultimate accuracy, the competitors seem to go with a single stage for their long distance round building.). If you go with the Rock Chucker or Lee Classic Cast press, I'd suggest also getting a Hornady Lock N Load bushing conversion kit for the Rock chucker or Lee Classic Cast press with another 10 additional bushings. The Lee is the least expensive of the bunch, is the latest single stage out and has compared favorably with the Rock Chucker and like the Rock Chucker, will accept the Hornady Lock N Load Conversion Bushing kit. With these, you adjust your dies once, tighten down the lock ring and next time you want to change dies, you just insert, twist and snap/lock in and you're done changing dies in about 2 seconds. I use these on my Lee Classic Cast press and Rock Chucker. I have found them to be wonderful. BTW, I use my single stages to do specialized tasks and to reload quantities of less than 100 rounds at a time, such as hunting rifle ammunition.


For reloading pistol, you’d want to consider a turret or progressive press. If you are new, a turret would likely be the better choice (Unless you desire to reload large quantities in excess of 200 rounds an hour or a 1000 rounds a month.), to have a bit more control and to get an understanding of what’s happening, though a progressive is “do-able,” you run a larger risk of making a mistake that could harm you or damage your pistol/rifle. Good brands of turrets are Lee Classic Turret Press (4 station, automatic advance), Dillon (AT500, 4 station), RCBS (88901, cast iron) and Redding (T7, cast iron). For the lowest price, the Lee will do an excellent job, providing 200-300 rounds per hour (About what the average Dillon 550 owner gets, if they’re honest.) get you started at a reasonable price and if you decide to stay with it, you may want to go progressive.

If you find you reload a large quantity of rounds and want to go full blown progressive, excellent brands are Hornady (Lock N Load {5 station fully automated; I have one and love it.}), Dillon (550 {4 station semi-automated turret or 650 station fully automated}) (I don’t recommend Dillon’s SBD because it’s dies won’t fit anything else, nor will any other dies fit it, so you’re stuck with Dillon dies and it doesn’t reload rifle.) and the RCBS 2000 (An excellent cast iron semi automated press with an excellent primer feed). A good economy brand is the Lee Pro 1000. The Lee is less expensive and can take some tweaking, but it can be done and it’s way less expensive to purchase, a serious consideration if your money is tight. Here’s a good how to website for Lee equipment:

http://www.geocities.com/leereloading/index.htm

2. Reloading dies for the caliber of your choice. I have Hornady, Lee and RCBS dies, but I wouldn't hesitate to buy and use Dillon, who also load excellent ammo and were specifically designed for progressive reloading. Rumor has it that Redding is the Cadillac of dies, but their prices reflect it. I would only explore the Redding and other higher priced dies if your plan is to reload for competitive purposes. For pistol, you'll want to buy carbide or TiN coated dies, so that you do not have to lubricate your brass to prevent it sticking in the die. For a single stage press (Or Lee Turret press), you'll need a shell holder that matches the caliber you're loading. For a progressive, you’ll need a shell plate.

3. A Powder measure/dispenser (Many kits include these.) I like the Hornady, RCBS and Redding brands for these. I have both the Hornady and Redding brands. Of these, the Hornady has an automated version and is more consistent (to me) because of the automated feature. It came with my Hornady Lock and Load Auto Progressive Press. For more automated powder dispensing, the Lee Auto Disk, the Hornady Lock N Load (Starting the middle of the month for Hornady) and the Dillon measures offer case activated powder dispensing and expanding capabilities which is desirable if you wish to load pistol.


4. A powder scale, no matter single stage, turret or progressive, you'll need one of these. I like the RCBS 505 and 1010, the Hornady and the Dillon scales. I have a Redding, but wish I had gotten another brand because the fine adjustment is hard to see and can be bumped out of adjustment accidentally. My plan is to replace the Redding with an RCBS 1010 when I can, because of the positive fine adjustment on the RCBS 1010.

5. A set of calipers to measure your cartridges with. I have a Frankford Arsenal set that's done well for me. I have recently replaced it with a 6” digital set I bought at Harbor Freight Tools (It’s done a great job since I’ve had it and I really like the digital feature.). Other folks spend a lot more money, but these have been more than accurate enough for everything I've loaded, including high-power rifle cartridges for competitive purposes.

6. A reloading manual- I have and like my Speer #13, but Hornady, Lee and a couple other folks make excellent ones. I haven't heard much about Lyman's reloading manual, but their lead bullet manual is supposed to be pretty good. A good loading book on the basics like the ABC's of Reloading and Metallic Cartridge Reloading can help you understand the process a lot better. Read them a couple times it will get you to a good understanding. Read the directions that come with your press, dies etc.

7. Some snap lid plastic storage containers with bins to store all the little pieces and parts from the equipment. It might not be a bad idea to look at plastic fishing tackle boxes, as they have lots of storage compartments.

8. Some Akro plastic bins to hold your brass, bullets and loaded cartridges while you're in the process of reloading. If you're loading single stage, you might need some cartridge blocks to regain the brass in various stages of production. Buy the cheapest bins out there, such as Harbor Freight; they're all plastic so you gain nothing by paying more.

9. A couple of adjustable wrenches, one six inch and one eight inch. There may be other hand tools, but if you have a toolbox, you may already have them. Or you can identify the correct size wrenches you need for a better fit when adjusting things.

10. A kinetic bullet puller and a collet bullet puller to correct your mistakes. Why both? The kinetic puller to cover oddball calibers you decide to buy and load and the collet puller to cover the calibers you load the most. I had the kinetic made by Frankford Arsenal in the past, but because of price changes, I now recommend the RCBS one, because of their excellent warranty (They’ll exchange it if it breaks, no matter how long you’ve owned it.). BTW, the collets for the Frankford Arsenal fit the RCBS. I like the Hornady and RCBS collet pullers, because of their operation speed and they don’t spill the powder everywhere.


11. A brass trimmer. I have an RCBS Trim Pro automated version and have recently added the head that chamfers. Makes it real nice if you’re processing large quantities of brass that need trimming and chamfering. I used to compete in high-power rifle, reload lots of rifle cartridges that need to be trimmed to length occasionally. For smaller quantities of brass, a hand trimmer would be sufficient and much more fun to use. You will need to check your brass is not over the maximum allowed length. After trimming, you will need a de-burring tool cleans up the inside and outside necks so the case-mouth isn't sharp and bullets insert smoothly without damage. RCBS offers the Trim Mate to automatic this, as well as the chamfering heads for their Trim Pro. Most automatic pistol cartridges do not need to be trimmed.

12. Cartridge gauge. These are nicely convenient to check to see if your reloaded cartridges are within SAAMI specification.

13. Case lube - I use Hornady One Shot on my rifle cartridges, but I find it and their cleaner lube handy for lubricating moving parts on my progressive that I don't have grease and oil getting into. For rifle cartridges you can lube with a pad and case lube (such as the one included in the RCBS kit) or use something like Hornady one-shot or try out Imperial Sizing Die Wax, which I hear is another excellent product. My recommendation is the One Shot or the Imperial wax over the messy lube pads.

14. Brass - I recommend you research and buy a better brand of brass, particularly what the majority of folks shooting your caliber are loading, it'll generally be (but not always) the best compromise of quality and price. Occasionally something new comes along that whips the "standard" pretty badly. Though sometimes, it’s about the same price to buy preloaded cartridges, shoot them and reload the brass. You come out about the same cost wise, but get to shoot it more.

15. Powder - Again, start with the "Ole standby" for your cartridge (if one exists) and then move out to other brands as you gain reloading experience. Post on the net and folks will provide you with what the “Ole standby” is.

16. Bullets - FMJ is great, but lead is cheaper. I'd advise buying them in bulk, 500 to a thousand at a time. You'll want to learn how to reload before you even think about making your own lead bullets. Depending on the caliber you're shooting, this will certainly result in significant savings. This is for range practice. For hunting, go with the best bullets you can afford for the type of animal you’re hunting.

17. Safety glasses, wear them while you're reloading, just like you do when you're shooting. Nothing like making a mistake, then blowing up a primer and losing an eye to ruin one’s day.


18. You will need to clean the brass. Bose's Guns, (http://www.bosesguns.com/) has a Frankford Arsenal combination that does well, it's the one I have. Another more expensive alternative would be the Dillon combination (Dillonprecision.com). Other manufacturers make other good ones as well. The ones mentioned are the ones I’m familiar with.

Finally, build yourself a nice, stable reloading bench. Some make their bench huge, with lots of surface area. I suggest to you that rather than do this, you make the bench just big enough to set up a reloading operation with AKRO plastic bins (bought cheaply from an industrial supply outfit in large quantity). You will need a single "universal" reloading tray to hold the cartridges while they are primed and charged, waiting for bullets.

Having owned both large and small bench setups, I've found setting up two or even three smaller benches and making shelving units to store the accessories and reloading components works better for me.

I've had to move a time or two and the huge benches were a real problem. With a bench narrower than the width of your doors, if you have to move, you don't have to disassemble it (Much more convenient not to have to disassemble when you're busy as hell trying to get ready to move.) Also, make it short enough you can move it around corners within your house.

Some links:

http://www.leeprecision.com/
http://www.redding-reloading.com/
http://www.rcbs.com/default.asp?menu=1&s1=1
https://www.hornady.com/shop/
http://www.bosesguns.com/
http://www.fmreloading.com/
http://www.dillonprecision.com/
http://www.kempfgunshop.com/index.html
 
The problem isn't just burn rate. There is also a measurement of energy density that you need to worry about. In other words, how many calories/gram of powder are released during combustion. Reloaders tend to refer to it as bulk. It's possible to have powders that are quite close together in burn rate but with quite different energy densities.

Edited to add: Try getting load data directly from Somchem. That is a brand that isn't available in the United States, so the data won't be available in American load books
 
Classic powders for all the cartrdges and bullet weights you list range from Bullseye (#10 on the list) to WW231 (#40 on the list.)

I suggest you take a look at what's readily available, and contact the makers (or go to their websites) for recommended loading information.

For example, if you can get Hodgdon powders, go to www.hodgdon.com and look at the load "receipes" they list there.
 
Some very good advice here, thanks to all! I will be going to the gun store later so i will check what other powders are available. Due to my hectic lifestyle, i can only shoot twice a month ,so i will only be churning out around 200-300 rounds a month. I figure one week to shoot, one to reload and so on and so forth. I have no desire to load 1000's of rounds so i figure the single stage will suffice?
 
Oh , one more question.Dumb but relevant: What will happen if i put i new primer in a case, no powder,no bullet,chamber it, then fire it?
 
A busy hectic lifestyle is all the more reason to get a turret like the Lee or a progressive, that way, you aren't taking up lots of time reloading when you have other things to do. Based on the quantities you're planning on shooting, such a press would be perfect for your needs. It'll produce about 200-300 an hour, so you can have your rounds ready quickly and load the night before you go shooting if need be.

Also, you can disconnect the automatic advance and use the turret as a single stage while you're learning how to reload. Then, as you gain confidence, reconnect it and you've got a much faster press.

I usually find that when I am really hectic and busy, that's when the Hornady Lock N Load I have benefits me the most. I can wait till the last second and fire it up and within two hours, have enough rounds for myself and a buddy to shoot.

On the firing a primer, why waste a primer?
 
CORDITE...Your choice of a single stage to get started is a good choice. That way you will learn all aspects of reloading one step at a time. If you need (or want) to upgrade to a faster press later you will still need that single stage. Even though I use Lee presses your choice of a RCBS Rock Chucker is an excellent choice.

As far as setting off a primer in one of your firearms without powder or bullet...I would guess that "POP" would be the right answer..:D ..Make sure you exersize the same safety rules as with any loaded firearm.

Take your time. Read a lot of manuals. Ask a lot of questions. And enjoy your new found hobby...
 
Welcome!

Cordite--First of all, welcome to The Magnificent Obsession--Reloading!
Before you get any of the reloading equipment on the equipment list below, you’ll want to do some reading. You won’t need all of them, but here’s are some good manuals to
start with:

The ABC's of Reloading (I strongly advise starting with this one.)
This is VERY good advice! The ABC's is not a reloading manual, it is a how-to and more importantly why- and why not-to kind of book. IMHO, it belongs on every reloader's bookshelf, well-thumbed.

The ABC's of Reloading can be had at yr friendly local sptg gds sto, gun sho, the I'net, or order from the publisher, Krause Publishing www.krause.com They must be doing something right; the ABC's is now in its 7th edition.

I hate to join in the single-stage-or-progressive debate, but for the number of rounds you propose reloading, a single-stage would work fine, and the RCBS Rockchucker is the gold standard. They can often be had used, and since they are almost impossible to wear out, getting a used one is not terribly risky. A single-stage is what to learn reloading on, IMHO. Should you later progress to a progressive, you'll still need a single-stage for short runs and for load development work, so the $$ you invest on one is never a waste.
 
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