I hope I get shot!

[longeyes]

For many, many people, all too many, this is not a rational topic.

The Soft Left would rather die than be "violent"--or so they proclaim. I think many of them are telling the truth, a clear case of neurotic disconnect. They prefer suffering and victimhood and saintliness to rational, self-empowered living.

Don't long for martyrdom, long for strength.

 

[distortion9]

distortion9, what we're generally saying is that the guy WON'T be on the news enough to notice. We don't believe the newsies will grant that he has any validity, any just cause. If he is interviewed, it will be edited and slanted to make him look like a kook. We doubt he will be allowed to build any audience of support.

We're generally saying that if he files suit, the news coverage will have strong overtones of, "Just some gun-nut, whining."

Art
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I'm sorry but, I refuse to agree with that.

the guy WON'T be on the news enough to notice.

Bad attitude to have IMHO...What I'm saying is complain and fight enough to MAKE them notice. Not like a one tooth moron screaming and cursing but, a well dressed, well spoken person represented by a slick pro 2A Attorney. Someone that is willing to go the distance and hold these politicians responsible for the decisions they've made.

As I stated in an earlier post.....

H.R. 47 reaffirms the basic truth that citizens have a right to use a gun in defense of self, family, and home.

It enforces that right with serious "teeth." Should a person be deprived of their right to self-defense with a firearm, that person can bring an action in court against the United States, any State, or any person. Anti-gun prosecutors would be personally liable for their wrongdoings -- and the wronged party can demand compensation and reimbursement of legal fees."

This is exactly what I'm talking about. I like how this post was ignored. Any State that is denying it's citizens their RIGHT to defend themselves SHOULD be held accountable. HOW could you possibly disagree with that and claim to be pro 2A? Some of you actually feared for the Attorney that would represent me...lmao.....WHAT?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!

We doubt he will be allowed to build any audience of support.

What about you? What about the NRA? Nobody would have my back? That's a real shame. Too many people like to talk big but, few are willing to back up their big talk. "I'll do my talking at the voting booth" only goes so far.

"Wow honey, look at this poor guy on the news...hope he sticks it to em...Oh look, Seinfeld is on....could you grab me another beer please (nothing against beer)."

Did you ever think that maybe the gun hating libs have so much success is because they actually take the time and effort to GET noticed? And please don't give me that "why stoop to their level" nonsense....results are what matter. PERIOD. Fight for what is rightfully yours by any means necessary.


Instead of seeing protest signs that say, "MY SON WAS KILLED BY A MAN WITH A GUN", I'd like to see signs that read, "MY SON WAS KILLED BY A STATE THAT DOESN'T RECOGNIZE HIS SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHT!"

I'm actually in shock that we're not all on the same page with this.

 

[Soybomb]

You had me until your aclu thing. What is it with gun people and the aclu? The aclu disagrees with our stance but does not work against us. The NRA is much much larger and takes care of 10% of the bill of rights. I would hate to see the ACLU dilute their work on the other 90% by taking on the 2nd amendment anyway. Although I also think despite their size the ACLU has more bill of rights victories than the nra does too.

Soybomb - who likes all of the bill of rights, not just the 2nd amendment :banghead:

 

[distortion9]

Soybomb - who likes all of the bill of rights, not just the 2nd amendment

I concur Soybomb, my ACLU comment was made mostly is jest, sort of a Jerky Boys/Sol Rosenberg "Sue EVERYBODY" type deal. All I want is what I'm entitled to as an AMERICAN and not a "New Yorker".

Here's my deal...

I have 10 years left before I can get the hell out of NY....I want change NOW! Not next month, not next year, not 5 years from now.....NOW!

ENOUGH ALREADY!!!

ENOUGH with 2A being ignored in NY and the handful of other Liberal States in this Country.

 

[Byron Quick]

distortion9,

You can refuse to agree with any statement you please. However, if you research the matter, you will find many newsworthy defenses using a firearm.

You'll see a paragraph in the local newspaper. Maybe a 30 second soundbite on a local news station.

You won't see it on CNN. You won't even see it on Fox. You won't see it in USAToday.

Here's another for you that certainly has the drama to make a national news program. It got two 1/8 page article in local papers.

A couple of years ago, a young woman's house was invaded by her ex-boyfriend who assaulted her. She got away from him and jumped out of a second story window in an attempt to escape. Sustained compression fractures of vertebrae in doing so. He caught her and abducted her in his van. Bound her with duct tape. Oh, by the way, he murdered her mother in the midst of all this. Then he headed down the road. He pulled up at a convenience store near Rome, Georgia to fill up with gas. When he had pumped and was inside paying, she got free of the duct tape. And found his pistol. And confronted him as he returned. He ran. She chased him down, shot him in the head as they ran and then shot him several time as he lay on the pavement bleeding. Many people on TFL at the time thought it was a bad shooting and that, boy, she's in a world of trouble now. I posted otherwise as I felt I knew the temper of my state. I posted that she would not be arrested and would not be indicted. She was not.

Tell me, in your honest opinion, is this event newsworthy enough to make the national news? Not to mention sensational, dramatic, and controversial?

No national news media reported on it at all to my knowledge.

You can raise all the fuss you want and stand for your rights all you want. If the media does not agree with your position and feels that media coverage will aid that position...guess what? You will not get coverage.

I applaud your stance as far as being determined to bring about change in New York. Your hypothetical scenario will not bring about any change. The opponents to your position will block media coverage of your wounding and your lawsuit. I'm no legal scholar but do you think it's much of a stretch from ruling that the state has no constitutional duty to protect you to ruling that the state has no constitutional duty to allow you to own the means to protect yourself?

The way to affect change in New York law in this area is to bring pressure upon the fount of the laws of the state. The legislature. You need to find out what organization is working for change in New York, join it, support it financially, and volunteer for the work. That would be much more substantive than waiting for a situation to occur that would not help in any event.

The protests and sign wavers sounds good and I agree with the intent. I simply have serious doubts that the sign would get on the news. How much coverage did you see on national news about the California girl, trained to use firearms, that was unable to get them to defend her younger siblings from fatal assault? The guns were locked in a safe to which she did not have access in accordance with California law. Gunowners nationwide were outraged. I must have just missed all the headlines and TV news about the outrage.

Soybomb,

Read the ACLU's official position on the 2nd Amendment. If that's not aiding the people who are working against us, I don't know what is. As far as the size of the ACLU and the NRA, you're comparing apples and oranges. Most of the NRA's organization and money cannot be used for political purposes. Only one designated part of the organization can work politically and it can only used funds donated specifically to its use. I wouldn't be surprised if that part is smaller than the ACLU.

 

[meef]

Be careful what you wish for . . . I've been shot more than once, and believe me, it ain't all it's cracked up to be!

Oooooo..... now that's a really painful place to get shot!!

Ouchie!

 

[Soybomb]

Read the ACLU's official position on the 2nd Amendment. If that's not aiding the people who are working against us, I don't know what is. As far as the size of the ACLU and the NRA, you're comparing apples and oranges. Most of the NRA's organization and money cannot be used for political purposes. Only one designated part of the organization can work politically and it can only used funds donated specifically to its use. I wouldn't be surprised if that part is smaller than the ACLU.

Show me the harm they've done and I'll whistle a different tune. One court case attacking the 2nd amendment even? All I see is them stating their position in a couple paragraphs. Until then if I avoided every organization that didn't agree with me 100%, I'd have no organizations to side with. The other you can justify how you wish, I see membership numbers and donations being sent in to both and can only speak for which I see being used more effectively from the standpoint of freedoms. Does the NRA do other good stuff as well? Sure, but its not my fault the mailings they send out asking for money aren't asking for money for the nra-ila so they can worry about the 2nd amendment more than trying to get me to send in money for a hat. All that matters to me at the end of the day is which fights for freedom more efficiently and which gives me the most bang for my buck.

 

[adams020604]

Since I used to live in Long Island,NY I am going to tell you this now. Wanting to get shot is a stupid statement to make. If it is one thing living in NYC, its to live in New York is to learn survival. Keep that in mind.

 

[AF_INT1N0]

Your not hoping to be shot.. Your blood wouldn't buy 15 minutes of fame. (no offense) What you're hoping for is Diane Fienstein, Sarah Brady, insert Dumb A** anti-gun liberal with a permit here; to Successfully defend herself with a handgun, this way you can turn and sue for Equal Protection(in the case of San Fransicko). Make a big media hoopla about the hipocracy.. Or on the flip side for one of the Main anti gunners to be injured in a stabbing or robbery, of some kind, and then see the light.

What made Susan Hupp such a success was 1.She was a fence sitter before( her firearm was purchased by a friend for her. She went through the motions but was still very far from pro gun. 2. Leftists idolize victims. 3. Time a place was ripe (Texas is the breeds the kind of people that hold a certain amount of toughness and independence). 3.a There have been several shootings in PRKalifornia similar to the Luby's massacre. But California is for the most part run by leftist nannystate crybaby b**ches.