I need help understanding part of the assault weapons ban.

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Why does the AW ban list the following guns under their own section?
Why are these guns banned? What makes them so special as to have their own list?

1. Norinco, Mitchell, and Poly Technologies Avtomat Kalashnikovs (all models)
2. Action Arms Israeli Military Industries UZI and Galil
3. Beretta Ar70 (SC-70)
4. Colt AR-15
5. Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, and FNC
6. SWD M-10, M-11, M-11/9, and M-12
7. Steyr AUG
8. INTRATEC TEC-9, TEC-DC9 and TEC-22
9. revolving cylinder shotguns, such as (or similar to) the Street Sweeper and Striker 12


I know that they only list Chinese and Mitchell AK models. I also know that the the UZI is already banned under another law. But what is with the rest?
 
Some staffer for a stupid anti-gun senator went through a gun digest and picked out the guns that "looked the scariest" and those were the ones put on the list. I'm not kidding either. :banghead:
 
Well, I mean, how can I prove that this part of the assault weapons ban is pointless. Like, with facts like this, for example:


UZI (This gun is already illegal under another law)

BUT

Steyr AUG (What would I put for this? I need a fact that'd make this gun not seem like an assault weapon or something along those lines.)
 
The problem you're having is trying to use logic and reasoning to explain an anti-gun law. Not gonna work cause there is no logic and reasoning behind the law at all. Simply because there is no such thing as a "semi-automatic assault weapon". It was just whatever the gun grabbers thought looked the scariest. The Steyr AUG fires the exact same way as a BAR, a Bushmaster Bullpup, or ANY other semi-automatic rifle that is not on the list.
 
Roc_Kor:

Just checked out the site. Good stuff. Definitely proves how useless the law is. However, this same argument could be used by anti's to strengthen the ban, so you should address that too. I would also suggest proofreading it as I saw some errors. I hope some fence-sitters see your site. Might do them some good to see the light.

Might I also suggest a link to THR? Some people here don't seen to like the idea of anti's and non gun types coming here, but I'm convinced that as long as we conduct ourselves in a way that puts a positive light on gun ownership, we can win some of them over. After all we're not a bunch of racist, violent, gun-lovin' hillbillies, are we?
 
They went and looked at pictures of what guns looked particularly sinister and picked them for banning.

:barf:
 
I had some contact with members of Congress when that law was being debated, and that is exactly what happened. They got some cops and others to "tell us what the evil guns are" and then just went through SGN and Gun Digest. Then Feinstein's staff made a big list of guns that weren't banned (not even semi-auto), just for propaganda so they could say "look at all the guns we will be generous enough to allow you to have." Pure political crap, but that too became part of the law.

If you think the anti-gun gangsters don't read our pubs, you are wrong; that is where they get a lot of their ideas. They are very happy when loony outfits put out ads for gun that "will kill faster" or guns that "won't take fingerprints" or guns that "will kill from miles away" and the like. They use this stuff in their lobbying, and no way it helps us. The horrible truth is that we, the gun community, are often our own worst enemy, and that greedy and nasty sellers hurt us with their advertising.

Had the first AK-47's brought in from China been advertised as "plinking rifles" or "sporting rifles" rather than "assault rifles" our fight would be a lot easier. It is hard to answer the gun control advocate who says, "But the people selling these guns plainly say they are for use in assaults, which are illegal. They are promoting illegal action and selling guns they, not we, say are intended for illegal and criminal activity."

One thing the law does do that is somewhat an advantage. It defines an "assault rifle". Rifles defined as "assault rifles" are banned, so any "post ban" rifle or any rifle that does not fit the definition, is, by Federal law, NOT an "assault rifle". I see the SKS called an "assault rifle", but it is perfectly correct to point out in a letter to the editor that the SKS is NOT an assault rifle, but a sporting rifle, since "assault rifles" are defined by Federal law and the SKS does not fall under the Federal designation.

Jim
 
I love the fact that they included the Beretta AR-70 on that list.

You could probably fit every AR-70 sold commercially in the US into a good-sized closet with room to spare. :rolleyes:
 
What I want to know is why they decided to redundantly ban the NFA Destructive Device shotguns. Oh yes, those shotguns are a real epidemic. Just last week 6 gangbangers decided to pay the $200 transfer tax, send in mug shots and fingerprints, get the sheriff's signature and wait 5 more months for the ATF to approve their transfer so they can drive-by someone half a year from now. :scrutiny: :cuss: :banghead:
 
There is a link to THR. Check my LINKS page.

I do plan to proofread, edit, and update the AW ban page a lot, so mistakes will be edited out. Please keep posting those comments.
 
Make sure you reference the CDC study that says gun control laws like this have not made ny measurable impact on crime rates, then compare that to the violent crime rates in states before & after they got CCW laws.

Sorry - don't have the links or details -just pointing 'that-a-way'.
 
boofus,

What I want to know is why they decided to redundantly ban the NFA Destructive Device shotguns.
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Actually, I believe it was right after the ban that the ATF reclassified those shotguns as DD's, although I'm not positive.
 
A good example of how useful the ban actually is....

VPC states that there was a drastic reduction in crimes committed by "semi-automatic assault weapons" following the ban and it is extremely important to renew the ban to protect the public.

VPC also states that immediately following the ban, manufacturers made "cosmetic changes" or "Sporterized" firearms to circumvent the assault weapons ban. These "post-ban" assault weapons have been selling since the day the ban went into effect, so the 1994 ban had no effect on crime. This means it is necessary not only to renew the assault weapon ban, but to greatly expand it.

So, VPC is claiming the ban was effective and not effective at the same time.
 
HKmp5sd,

VPC is typically playing word games. Read my post above. The 1994 law defined "assault weapons" and banned their manufacture.

Since "assault weapons" have not been made for ten years, their use in crime probably has decreased, since only pre-ban weapons are "assault weapons".

Crimes committed with semi-auto weapons that may resemble "assault weapons" don't count.

Hence, a decrease in crime committed with "assault weapons."

Jim
 
An AK-47 is a machinegun designed in the 1950's
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I thought it was the late 40s? Orginally designed in '46, worked out the bugs between then and '48, and then adopted by the Soviet Army in '49. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not a big AK fan.

And your definition of a grenade launcher is a new one on me. When the ban listed it, I was thinking something along the lines of the M203.

Silencers are not completely illegal by federal law, but very heavily regulated, just like MGs.
 
Oh, yeah, you have to get silencers the same way you get MGs, don't you? By applying to ATF I'd assume.

The AK-47 was issued in the 1950's. The AK-47 Types II* and III* were made in the 50s as well as the AKM. I'm not going to put the entire history of the AK down. I'm just dumbing down a fact that's not too important if it's off by three years. (Yes, the AK was accepted in 1946 and the Soviet Government gave Kalashnikov more assistance in finalizing the AK, and the final product came in 1948.)

*Types I, II, and III only differ in means of production.
 
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Why does the AW ban list the following guns under their own section?
Why are these guns banned? What makes them so special as to have their own list?

4. Colt AR-15
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Whats up with this? I see Colt AR-15s for sale in all the local gun shops.

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The list of specific firearms originated back when they were trying to create a definition for "semi-automatic assault weapon." It started because those trying to ban them could not really define one, so they used the "I know one when I see one!" method.

Then various groups started providing them with the information they needed to ban anything not named on the list. Bill Ruger gave them the magazine capacity idea. Another person ID'd the evil bayonet lug. Etc. Ect. Ect.
 
ietrash - the only "AR-15" Colts you'll see in gunshops are pre-bans. The post bans are not "AR-15"s... They're "Sporters" or "Match Targets" or some other Non-"AR-15" model..... just look at the sideplates.
 
The AWB banned the Colt AR-15 by name. That is why now you see Colt MT6400Cs and MT6700s. They do not say AR-15 on them so they can get by the ban.

The other AR companies do it too. Rock River has LAR-15, Bushmaster has the XM-15s, Armalite's M15's etc...

A small number of Steyr AUGs made it in post-ban too. With the name changed to USR and an extra strip of plastic to give it a 'sporting' butthole stock. The ATF banned them from importation after they found the pre-ban 30 round and 42 round mags would fit in them.
 
The AWB banned the Colt AR-15 by name. That is why now you see Colt MT6400Cs and MT6700s. They do not say AR-15 on them so they can get by the ban.
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Yep, when I bought mine in '97 it was a "Colt HBAR Match Target Competition Model", not the dreaded AR-15. Same gun, but legal.
 
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