I need less spread from my Mossberg

[357wheelgunner]

An 18" pattern on target isnt' acceptable at shorter ranges.

You have to be able to, at short ranges, be able to place the payload where you want it to. With a 6" pattern, if you're aiming for center of mass, at least one pellet is probably going to break the spine, even if you are 4" off center with your aim. If you have an 18-22" pattern you're indescriminantly throwing shot into an area, praying on odds that one will go where you want it to. Looking at my torso I can pick 9 places that I'd take a pellet and be able to make it to the hospitol, based on what I learned in my brief time going to school for my EMT license. Looking at a 6" circle in the center of my chest, things aren't looking so well...

 

[4thPointOfContact]

One more thing you could try ......

I tested some flechette rounds last month and found they had an 8-foot pattern at 15 yards. That should fill a doorway.



(Okay, I'm just kidding, sorta.)
We did test some flechette rounds.
We did get 8-foot patters at 15 yards.
Unfortunately an 8-foot circle has about 50 square-foot of room inside and there are only about 20 flechettes in a 12 guage round. Them's ain't good odds.
Further, flechettes are so light that they lose energy too rapidly, at 7-yards a flechette penetrated a level IIA vest.....all the way up to the fins, or about 1.5 inches deep. That's a bit shy of the minimum penetration the DOJ recommends, I believe. They bounced off a plastic bucked from the Home Despot and we found more than half laying on the cement in front of the 'target'.

 

[kingjoey]

Our KA-1212 brake/suppressor unit substantially tightens shot patterns by dumping off the gas pressure from behind the wad before it goes free-flight. They are normally difficult to install on the 20" Moss500A but we came up with a really novel installation method and bought a new Mossberg to try it on. Shotgun should be done around next Friday. Sorry about the crappy picture, but we installed a KA-1212BR on the barrel, re-radiused the barrel lug to match the attachment, silversoldered it to the attachment, then sandblasted and parkerized the barrel. We'll have some better pics later this week after we refinish the parts.



The finished product will be more like this but with the lug attached to the KA-1212 directly

 

[proud2deviate]

The Federal Flite Control stuff works well for me. I bought the 9 pellet standard velocity stuff. Out of my 870 police, 20" IC barrel, it would put all 9 pellets on a 9" paper plate at 25 yards. At 50 yards, it would put 2 pellets on a plate with interesting regularity (five shots, five plates, two pellets each. I should have brought bigger targets to figure out where the other seven were going.) Flite Control is great

If you start shopping for slugs, the Federal Tru Ball slugs are good (granted, I got acceptable groups with Wal-Mart value pack stuff, but the Tru Ball slugs tightened my groups noticeably.) Not just marketing hype

 

[Jeff F]

I once saw an intoxicated man with two .32 auto rounds in him wrestle with his shooter until the police came!!!

Thats not very encouraging, I carry a .32 acp quite often!

 

[357wheelgunner]

A guy who was shot 13 times with a .32 (6+1 rounds in the gun, drug dealer reloaded and fired a second magazine in a deal gone bad) in the chest and abdomen drove himself to the local hospitol. None of the rounds penetrated deep enough, he lived.

 

[Gunsnrovers]

Don't buy a .32...

Don't buy a .32 because if you do, you'll notice they are small and handy.
And if you notice they are small and handy, you'll want to carry it.
And if you carry it, you may need to use it.
And if you use it, you may shoot someone.
And if you shoot someone, you may hit them with a bullet.
And if you hit them with a bullet, you will make them angry.
Andi if you make them angry, they may walk up to you, take away your .32, and beat you death with it.

Something I heard a long time ago that seemed appropriate here.

 

[heavyshooter]

"If you have an 18-22" pattern you're indescriminantly throwing shot into an area, praying on odds that one will go where you want it to." -- 357wheelgunner


This is all I'm trying to say.

 

[scythefwd]

25 yards?? hell, my house isn't even that long. At 25 yards, you guys realize that you are talking 75 ft. Then again, that just means I don't have that far to shoot My longest field of view is maybe 75ft diagonally through about a 1ft gap. I have to wait till an intruder is within 20ft to go to town, but thats ok... my dogs just get first dibs

 

[scythefwd]

gunsnrovers,
What about the .32 H&R mag? That supposedly has more pop than the .38 spl doesn't it

A .32 is still better than a .22 .

 

[RaisedByWolves]

+1 for the Fed with flite control wads!





I have a brandy new 590A1 20" cylinder BBL and got 10-11" strings, not groups, Strings, from my gun with this ammo. There was a clear horizontal line of holes across the paperman 10-11" wide at 25yrds.


I was very happy with this result compared to the 18-24" groups (roundish)from Remington OO buck.


BTW, there isint much air around me when I stand in a door way, sorry .


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[heavyshooter]

"A .32 is still better than a .22 ." -- scythefwd


Not necessarily. A .32 may be a larger projectile, but it may not have the same penetration as a .22. A flesh wound is far less effective than a deep hole. The .22 is the ice pick of firearms; when used on a human.

 

[Scoutsout2645]

4thPointOfContact:

For me, Federal's LE132-00 buck reduced recoil loads with Flitecontrol gives a sub 6-inch pattern at 25 yards.

+1
I carry these rounds at work, and they're what I use at home. I'm very comfortable putting all the pellets into a headshot at 25 yds, and at most HD distances you can be surgical with these rounds.

 

[Scoutsout2645]

357Wheelgunner:

A guy who was shot 13 times with a .32 (6+1 rounds in the gun, drug dealer reloaded and fired a second magazine in a deal gone bad) in the chest and abdomen drove himself to the local hospitol. None of the rounds penetrated deep enough, he lived

I also saw car-camera footage of a guy that juped a Trooper, was shot COM multiple times at 7 yds and less by a .357 Magnum. BG kept attacking, killed the Trooper with a shot that went thru his vest's armhole, ran off and was later captured (survived the incident). I don't exactly recall, but I want to say the BG had a .32 or .380.

Anecdotes can be found for any round, and I'd rather have the .357 (or .40 or .45), but a .32 can be lethal too. You just need to be more careful and accurate w/ shot placement.