I really did not enjoy shooting powerful 00 and slugs this week

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This week I picked up my High Standard 18-7 Riot gun at the local FFL who also has a range "that allows you to fire anything you can carry in"

I got the NICS approval and asked to buy some 2 3/4" 00 and slugs.
All they had was Remington 00 at about 1300 FPS and Federal 1 oz. slugs.

I have been spoiled by the Fiocchi LE, I was stiff from a body cold, the 18-7 does not have a recoil pad and I really did not enjoy firing those full power loads.

Is there any need in a non-bear hunting scenario to load up with anything more powerful than the Fiocchi LE 00 or LE slugs?
 
I have had no trouble with regular trap loads or the LE 00.
But the 1300 FPS, and especially the full power slugs, really wiped me out last week. Alot of it was being stiff from a cold, but I do not plan on buying anything other than LE reduced recoil loads from here on in.
 
Never tried the Fiocchi LE but I have tried the Winchester Winlites in both 00 and slugs and what a pleasant experience that was over the Winchester Super X rifled slugs and Remington Sluggers as well as Win. and Rem. 00.
Night and day difference actually.
Even pleasant in my flyweight N.E.F. Pardner single shot 12 gauge which weighs a whole six pounds maybe.
Next time I order up some shells I will try the Fiocchi.
 
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I really did not enjoy shooting powerful 00 and slugs this week
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Hell, I had one of the fancy knoxx stocks and I still didn't particularly enjoy the activity when I tried it. :\
 
Even pleasant in my flyweight N.E.F. Pardner single shot 12 gauge which weighs a whole six pounds maybe.
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I've got the pardner 20ga and can shoot anything through it with no problems all day. My buddy's got the same thing in 12ga, and I thought even after a few rounds of target loads it was becoming brutal.
 
Nick5182,If you are looking for punishment then try firing a box of 5 Remington Sluggers,Winchester Super X,or other non low recoil over the counter rifled foster slugs through that 12 gauge Pardner...It's quite painful.
Quite.
 
I never minded 3" slugs or buckshot in my 870. I haven't fired my new shotgun yet, but it's only a 2 3/4" chamber so... *shrug* In any case, the only thing I've found that I don't think I'd like to fire regularly is a Barret M82A3. It felt like being hit by a small truck. I'll blast with a shotgun all day though.
 
Is there any need in a non-bear hunting scenario to load up with anything more powerful than the Fiocchi LE 00 or LE slugs?
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In my mind yes, in fact my 1st choice for 00 is 12 pellet and slugs are Brenneke 1-1/8 oz classic magnums.

I don't believe in a recoil pad on a SD or hunting gun but for extened pratice sessions I use a slip-on for part of the time.
 
To answer your query, no. The H/S is fairly light, the pad or plate provides no attenuation, and those loads rock me a bit.

Stick with R/R stuff, add a pad to either you or the shotgun, and keep the sessions short.
 
I use 3" Remington Copper Solids for deer hunting. IIRC they're 1,900 fps. Got a coyote at a measured 140 yards. Use them because they fly flatter for longer range. I zero at 125 yards.

They are NOT fun, but they work well. I have a friend that uses a single shot 10 gauge for ducks....:what:
 
Strange that I found this post since I'm not a shotgunner and don't usually look here. But, your topic seemed to hit a chord with some youtubes from Massad Ayoube (sp?) that I was watching last night. When it came to shotguns he was suggesting that the average person (not saying any of us are average, of course :)) ... anyway with all the excitement and supercharge of adrenalin in SD, the average person might be better served by using a 20 gauge. In studies that he has done and his observations of students in his classes the 20 using the non-mag 2 2/4 loads hits with the impact of two .44 magnums which should be more than adequate for safe room defense.

In a different broadcast which I heard on line, he suggested that the combination of adrenalin and a very powerful blast from the 12 gauge caused a higher percentage of failed second shots from pump guns. He apparently teaches defensive shotgun for both civilians and LE. Even among officers in his training there was enough of a tendency to short cycle on the second shot, that he now recommends departments equip their officers with autoloaders.

Like I said, I know nothing of shotguns, but he seemed thoughtful and knowledgeable, so you may want to check what he has to say.
 
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I fired ten boxes of 3 inch remington sluggers a little while ago. At the end of the day I decided to start using 2 3/4 inch slugs from now on.:eek:
 
If you' re just practicing, use birdshot, #7 1/2. I buy value packs at Walmart and shoot all day long with no problem.

It's the same concept as using .38 spc in a .357 mag.
 
I'm certainly no expert, and don't shoot shotguns competitively, but I have a theory about shotgun recoil. I think that the design/shape of the stock has a lot to do with how the gun's recoil effects the shooter. I've put a lot of HD-type loads downrange over the years, mostly from a variety of Ithaca 37 riot guns and High Standard Flite-Kings. To me, using the same loads from gun to gun, the recoil of the Ithacas is much more comfortable than the recoil of the High-Standards, which are at least a pound heavier than the Ithaca 37s. FWIW.
 
Larry, besides being a member here, Massad Ayoub is a widely respected trainer and instructor.

Aside, the 37s I've shot have kicked less than expected, even with big loads. IMO, the shorter receiver height compared to most other repeaters is a factor. Recoil is in more of a straight line.

Kick can be tamed a bit by adding weight, using a lighter load,a better pad and better technique.
 
. I think that the design/shape of the stock has a lot to do with how the gun's recoil effects the shooter
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That is very true regarding the perceived, or felt, recoil (aka "kick"). Weight and light loads reduce the actual recoil
 
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I would also second the notion for a recoil pad on your Flite-King and maybe one for your shoulder as well. When I shoot trap, I have a Browning vest that has recoil absorbing inserts that help a lot over an extended range session. I also have a PAST recoil pad system that I wear when I'm shooting heavy recoiling rifles. Too many neck and shoulder problems over the years have made it necessary for me to find as much comfort and protection as I can when I'm shooting.
 
The low velocity LE buckshot loads are fine for self defense. They also give tighter patterns. If you want to shoot heavy loads the Saiga 12 is good. Add a good recoil pad and a buffer and it kicks 50% less than a pump. On the first outing with mine I shot over 100 full speed slugs with no damage to my shoulder.
 
Unfortunately the Fiocchi low recoil are not foster slugs. Being shaped like fluted cylinders, they work great at 25 yards, but after that they twist sideways and lose their accuracy.
 
Unfortunately the Fiocchi low recoil are not foster slugs. Being shaped like fluted cylinders, they work great at 25 yards, but after that they twist sideways and lose their accuracy.
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This may be true in the guns you shoot.
I will just have to try it for myself at 50 yards with my 18-7:)
 
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