I saw this rifle.....mercy me !

[bangswitch]

I was talking to a neighbor of my Mom's the other day, he's a retired Army Colonel and is now high up the chain at a company called ZRODelta. He showed me a new rifle they are importing and marketing, although they have their own line of modular firearms. This is what he showed me, it's a .308 DMR/sniper platform. Also available in .280 Rem and 6mm or 6.5mm Creedmoor. This one is called the Pugio V. by Vitrix, Made in Italy. They have several lines of precision rifles for military and sporting use. I was afraid to ask what this sold for, he said the scope alone was over $3K.

Specs here:
Victrix Armaments

More info:
ZRODelta Announces Partnership with Victrix Armaments and ROME -The Firearm Blog

 

[Varminterror]

That *Victrix* dude drove me absolutely crazy on FB for 2 years. I moderate a PRS Competition group which had over 50k members before getting zucked because of sale posts like his, back up to ~2k now, but we’re being much more discerning in what folks gain access. Dude shadow posted in the group through a dozen different pseudonyms before we booted him. Always sharing his advertising posts under different names, until one of our dudes dox’d him and blocked members from his IPN.

The rifles look BA, and I’m sure they shoot great, but their advertising was super predatory, sounds like a post war vacuum salesman… some physics defying claims, some precision claims which rivaled benchrest world records, and somehow the rifles would make your gas mileage in your car better…

But I’m sure the rifles do actually shoot very well.

*ETA - it was the Victrix guys shadow posting continuous spam in the FB group, not the ZRO Delta guys.*

 

[Turkeytider]

That shape/style rifle outnumbers everything else ( "traditional" hunting stye rifles ) I see at our local state shooting range maybe 10:1.

 

[AlexanderA]

Comments:
1. It's a bolt action.
2. Carrying handle on the bottom?
3. Off-the-shelf Harris bipod?
4. Real or fake suppressor?
5. Butt monopod?
6. Buttstock is folding, but also adjustable six ways to Sunday. Looks hokey.
7. Can't seem to get away from the ubiquitous FDE color.
8. Price probably puts it out of reach of most ordinary mortals. Not that they would want it anyway.

 

[bangswitch]

Comments:
1. It's a bolt action.

It's magazine fed, and its designed purpose doesn't require pray and spray
2.

Carrying handle on the bottom?

If you read the specs, the rifle and scope weighs about 15 pounds with the scope. With the stock folded, the handle is at the balance point with the can in place, and it can't go on top because of the scope.
3.

Off-the-shelf Harris bipod?

Why not? They make a good bipod.
4.

Real or fake suppressor?

Very real. This particular rifle is sub MOA with a 16" barrel and has a muzzle brake designed for the suppressor to mount over.
5.

Butt monopod?

adjustable for height, and along with the bipod makes the rifle steady as a cemented block for long range use
6.

Buttstock is folding, but also adjustable six ways to Sunday. Looks hokey.

Makes the gun much more mobile, and once locked open is as solid as a one-piece frame.
7.

Can't seem to get away from the ubiquitous FDE color.

You looking for Mary Kay Pink? This is designed for the military, but comes in two other drab colors.
8.

Price probably puts it out of reach of most ordinary mortals. Not that they would want it anyway.

Way the hell out of my reach, but as an overwatch, or long range or DMR gun, it's worth the price to those who can shoot it well enough to have one.

 

[Bullet Bob]

That makes it official. Everyone, their brother, and their neighbors dog is now building this type of rifle. I'm so out of the loop I can't even see the circle from here.

 

[Mosin77]

I like the Latin theme… Pugio V, Victrix, Rome.

The folding stock needs Corinthian column accents on vertical surfaces.

 

[Robert]

Nifty, another precision rifle in a chassis.

 

[marksman13]

The carry handle is just stupid, and I mean real stupid. Beyond dumb. Nobody who carries a rifle for a living is toting it upside down with a handle. It’s just dumb.

The monopod on the butt stock is similarly stupid. It’s not a solid support and I don’t know if anybody who is serious about marksmanship who believes a monopod is a serious upgrade from a rear bag. It’s a down grade and a potential snag point on top of being almost completely useless.

That said, the rest of that rifle is pretty slick.

 

[S.Crockett]

The carry handle is just stupid, and I mean real stupid. Beyond dumb. Nobody who carries a rifle for a living is toting it upside down with a handle. It’s just dumb. * * *

Obviously you’ve failed to comprehend what “Euro-tactical” means.

Across the pond on the continent that’s deemed a standard carry handle for a normal mode of toting the rifle when moving from one firing point to another.

No need to be so U.S.A.-centric.

 

[Picher]

I was talking to a neighbor of my Mom's the other day, he's a retired Army Colonel and is now high up the chain at a company called ZRODelta. He showed me a new rifle they are importing and marketing, although they have their own line of modular firearms. This is what he showed me, it's a .308 DMR/sniper platform. Also available in .280 Rem and 6mm or 6.5mm Creedmoor. This one is called the Pugio V. by Vitrix, Made in Italy. They have several lines of precision rifles for military and sporting use. I was afraid to ask what this sold for, he said the scope alone was over $3K.
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Specs here:
Victrix Armaments

More info:
ZRODelta Announces Partnership with Victrix Armaments and ROME -The Firearm Blog

When you've got it...flaunt it!!!

 

[AlexanderA]

The monopod on the butt stock is similarly stupid.

The Army tried that with the M1918A2 BAR, and thought better of it. Original BAR monopods are as rare as hens' teeth, and are now being reproduced.

 

[marksman13]

Obviously you’ve failed to comprehend what “Euro-tactical” means.

Across the pond on the continent that’s deemed a standard carry handle for a normal mode of toting the rifle when moving from one firing point to another.

No need to be so U.S.A.-centric.

Meh…I don’t care what they do over there. It’s still stupid.

 

[sage5907]

The rod that sticks down from the stock in front of the recoil pad made me laugh. Apparently the shooter can set the elevation of the barrel by retracting or extending the rod. A friend of mine was continuously missing deer while still hunting and I told him he should carry the driver's door off his truck around so he could could shoot through the window to make hits.

 

[Ks5shooter]

To each his own,not my cup of tea.

 

[LoonWulf]

Its nicer looking than my chassis gun......why a carry handle? it has a scope on it

 

[gotboostvr]

I actually tried to track down one of those carry handles.

And the mono pod is retractable, if you don't need to use it, it's out of the way.

Yeah, a bag is better, but not always practical. A sled is even better than bags.

 

[marksman13]

I actually tried to track down one of those carry handles.

And the mono pod is retractable, if you don't need to use it, it's out of the way.

Yeah, a bag is better, but not always practical. A sled is even better than bags.

I can’t stand a sled and I can always make a bag work. I can carry a bag anywhere I go.

 

[Varminterror]

A sled is even better than bags.

RAILS are better than bags. But almost unilaterally impractical.

Sleds suck.

 

[bangswitch]

The little monopod has its uses; not something you need all the time, and who the hell is gonna hump a sandbag around along with a 17 pound rifle to prop the butt on when a prop is needed? The handle, IMO, is in the perfect spot for toting this thing around. The scope makes the gun top heavy, and with the butt folded, it's like carrying a suitcase. This gun is designed for a fixed position such as overwatch or to target a specified choke point, where you set your POA and wait for the target to move into your firing point, rather than looking around with the scope for something to shoot at.

The scope is an entirely custom affair. You can get the turrets set for MOA or Millirads, same as the reticle. The reticle is also custom made with a bullet drop compensator calibrated for the specific ammunition you shoot. It's 1st focal plane, nitrogen filled and sealed; the one on the rifle is a 5-20x56mm. It's mounted on a 20MOA sloped rail, which at distances greater than around 750 yards is necessary or the scope runs out of elevation. The reticle is also illuminated.

You should see some of the other stuff Vitrix makes, which is shown on the website I posted the link for. They have a .50 cal that makes a Barrett look like a Boy Scout's .22, and a half dozen calibers between the .50 and the .308.

 

[marksman13]

The little monopod has its uses; not something you need all the time, and who the hell is gonna hump a sandbag around along with a 17 pound rifle to prop the butt on when a prop is needed? The handle, IMO, is in the perfect spot for toting this thing around. The scope makes the gun top heavy, and with the butt folded, it's like carrying a suitcase. This gun is designed for a fixed position such as overwatch or to target a specified choke point, where you set your POA and wait for the target to move into your firing point, rather than looking around with the scope for something to shoot at.

The scope is an entirely custom affair. You can get the turrets set for MOA or Millirads, same as the reticle. The reticle is also custom made with a bullet drop compensator calibrated for the specific ammunition you shoot. It's 1st focal plane, nitrogen filled and sealed; the one on the rifle is a 5-20x56mm. It's mounted on a 20MOA sloped rail, which at distances greater than around 750 yards is necessary or the scope runs out of elevation. The reticle is also illuminated.

You should see some of the other stuff Vitrix makes, which is shown on the website I posted the link for. They have a .50 cal that makes a Barrett look like a Boy Scout's .22, and a half dozen calibers between the .50 and the .308.

I carried multiple small bags filled with air soft bbs all over Iraq with an M21 and usually had an M4 and M9 as well. They weigh next to nothing and are much more stable than that monopod.

I stand by my assertion that the carry handle is stupid. Pack it on your back if you have to, but why the hell would you tote it like a suitcase knowing that if you drop it, it’s going to land directly on the elevation turret of your scope? That is absolutely stupid. Period. Not to mention, you are giving up a hand that could be used for other things. My rule was always to keep both hands free unless they were actually on my weapon.

 

[Varminterror]

The reticle is also custom made with a bullet drop compensator calibrated for the specific ammunition you shoot.

Which is then only viable for ONE density altitude band, and becomes a hindrance any time the temperature changes, let alone physical elevation from one location to another.

BDC’s are one of the worst inventions in the history of firearms.

The scope pictured is just a US Optics product. Nothing terribly unusual or outstanding at its price point, just a good scope.

 

[S.Crockett]

Sleds are Euro tactical.

They require muscles and in-shape, highly cardio types to tote them around.

That's not 99% of the guys in this country shooting their precision sticks off benches on lazy Sunday afternoons at the range.

 

[bangswitch]

I carried multiple small bags filled with air soft bbs all over Iraq with an M21 and usually had an M4 and M9 as well. They weigh next to nothing and are much more stable than that monopod.

I stand by my assertion that the carry handle is stupid. Pack it on your back if you have to, but why the hell would you tote it like a suitcase knowing that if you drop it, it’s going to land directly on the elevation turret of your scope? That is absolutely stupid. Period. Not to mention, you are giving up a hand that could be used for other things. My rule was always to keep both hands free unless they were actually on my weapon.

Which is then only viable for ONE density altitude band, and becomes a hindrance any time the temperature changes, let alone physical elevation from one location to another.

BDC’s are one of the worst inventions in the history of firearms.

The scope pictured is just a US Optics product. Nothing terribly unusual or outstanding at its price point, just a good scope.

I see your points, but I'm fairly confident the guy showing me the rifle and the company he works for know their stuff. That company owns US Optics.

 

[Varminterror]

I see your points, but I'm fairly confident the guy showing me the rifle and the company he works for know their stuff. That company owns US Optics.

Run that back - you’re claiming the Italian based Vitrix owns US Optics? Seems more like ZRO still owns USO, and are importing the Vitrix rifles. Again, just another scope among a dozen manufacturers with similar products in their class. You really can’t pretend physics changed just because your buddy said BDC reticles custom tailored to your ammunition are great - they’re not, because even the same ammunition will shift with temperature change through the day, both in muzzle velocity and air resistance, and the subtensions fall apart. Drive a few hours, and the DA changes, and the subtensions fall apart… God wrote thermodynamics; I’ll take His word over the guy from ZRO.

It’s great that you’re enamored with the rifle, but have realistic perspective on what it is - it’s just another chassis rifle, not so different than anything folks like Masterpiece Arms, Cadex, Seekins, Gunwerks, GA Precision, Barret, SigSauer, etc are all doing. Same deal - just another chassis rifle among a dozen other manufacturers with similar products in their class.