horsemen61
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Sucks to hear about the cylinder if you decide to sell it please shoot me a pm
I Think I Killed My S&W 610!
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Anytime a firearm is returned, they do a complete inspection. If parts are found that are not up to spec, those parts are replaced. If they return the firearm with out of spec parts and something happens, they are open to a lawsuit.
I don't know what S&W's current policy is but 5 years ago I sent a Model 500 back for a warranty concern and requested they switch my fluted cylinder for an unfluted one.
There was nothing wrong with the old cylinder, I just thought the Unfluted one was more pleasing to the eye.
Well, they completetd the warranty work for free and the cylinder swap cost me 165 dollars.
When I got my gun back I was suprised to find that they returned my old cylinder.
It was in a bag in the box with a note that stated "DO NOT USE THIS CYLINDER IN THIS REVOLVER".
So, the idea that returning out of spec parts with the gun must be a somewhat recent thing (in the last 5 years) as it does not mirror my experience 5 years past.
Edited to add:
I completely understand Strawhat's post wrt replacing out of spec parts.
That said, they should have returned your old cylinder with your gun as they did with mine.
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ATCDoktor said:
Changing cylinders often requires some fitting and retiming. The fact that they gave you your original cylinder back tells me it's still fine and not out of spec; more likely they're warning you not to simply swap between cylinders willy nilly, in the event you might now think they both fit the same gun.
The whole "overbored" story doesn't sit well with me anyway. Those chambers were TIGHT. In any event, I have discovered that they made 5,000 610s during the middle production run, including both fluted and unfluted versions. I should have my gun back this weekend and I will provide pictures here.
I always think of "overbored" as the diameter of the cylinder. Is is possible that the cylinder was bored too long, possibly allowing the chambering of a .44 Magnum? It would only need about 1/8" too much.
Not likely and you have some terminoligy a bit scrambled. The diameter of the cylinder is the overall diameter. If you talking about the chamber diameter that's of each chamber in the cylinder. If your talking about boring the chamber to long that is possible but unlikely in this case.
I think what they are talking about is the bore diameter of the front end of the chambers . The part that starts at the end of the chamber and ends at the face of the cylinder.
The bottom line is that they had no more of the unfluted cylinders to use for replacement. They then had to use a fluted cylinder that was within spec to replace an out of spec non-fluted. Sucks, but they did what they had to do, to send you back an in spec firearm. Hard to fault them for that because safe funtion comes before astetic features.
Well guys, I finally got around to picking up my 610. I would have posted this sooner, but my cat got sick and needed to be put down. That really helped to put the issue with the cylinder in perspective. So, no further problems with the gun! I will be taking it out for test firing this weekend or next depending on my schedule.
Only because it's gun-related:
Only because it's gun-related:
buck460XVR
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Common practice for gun manufacturers is not to return parts they deem unsafe. Been many a thread about this over the years concerning a variety of gun manufacturers. A liability issue. As for not having a replacement unfluted cylinder, that would bother me too as I am a fan of them, but having the gun safe and functional would be the priority. Since the original problem with the gun was mostly cosmetic, I can understand the frustration over having the cosmetics changed again. I'd be interested in knowing how much, if any, change there is in over all accuracy.
Thanks to everyone.
Buck, regarding the accuracy, I intend to get out this weekend if I have time and shoot some leftover .40s through the gun. If that goes well, maybe a box or so of magnum-level 10mm will follow! Updates to follow on that.
There is something about the gun now that makes it look plain ordinary, but oh well. The last time I was at the range I heard an instructor tell his student I was shooting a S&W 500, so it must make one heck of a noise!
I finally got out to test my 610 and it did fine with .40 S&W, but when I tried to shoot the 10mm ammo it wouldn't fit all the way into the chambers. I'm going to start working on this problem and hopefully I won't have to deal with S&W again.
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Is it possible there was a carbon ring built up from shooting the .40's that prevented the 10mm from fully seating? That sometimes happens when shooting .38's in a .357mag.
I checked for a carbon ring and any other obstructions I could find, but came up with nothing. Maybe one or more of the chamber diameters tightens up near front of the cylinder.
Even with full-length 10mm rounds the bullets are no where near the front of the cylinder. I never bothered to notice this before, but I assume this is because the cylinder and the frame are designed for the longer .44 Magnum.
The only other thing I can think of is that the step in the chambers is not quite long enough to allow the 10mm rounds all the way in.
Even with full-length 10mm rounds the bullets are no where near the front of the cylinder. I never bothered to notice this before, but I assume this is because the cylinder and the frame are designed for the longer .44 Magnum.
The only other thing I can think of is that the step in the chambers is not quite long enough to allow the 10mm rounds all the way in.
rcmodel
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Chuck a ..45 bronze bore brush in a cordless drill and clean the chambers with it & nitro powder solvent.
Spin the brush up in each chamber while running it back & forth.
rc
Spin the brush up in each chamber while running it back & forth.
rc
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Havok.... Could that possibly be what S&W meant about being 'overbore'? Not the width of the cylinder hole but the depth of the cut through the cylinder? (Your 40's work but the 10mm don't). I'm just trying to wrap my brain around that comment from S&W and your statement about seating cartridges in the chamber.
Well this is the new cylinder, installed at the factory, so it should be perfect. I have been experimenting with cleaning cylinders and loading single rounds. It does appear to be an issue with the step. I'll get my calipers out and measure it after work.
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