I think I passed an "interview".

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Agree with all suggesting you drive past the house. I've actually done that when a car seemed to be mirroring my path more than made sense. After a while, they realized I was driving them in circles and they left.

About staying in the car, I've concluded I don't want to be in a car if I think shots will be fired. A car imposes limited movement and vision while providing little cover.

I'd rather be outside where I can move to cover, including the engine area of the car.

Since Mrs. ceetee was in the vehicle, driving on to a police station, a mall or somewhere public would be my suggestion, like others have said.
 
I think I passed an "interview"

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If I'm being tailed, I DO NOT go to my home, place of work, or anywhere else that connects me. I keep motoring around until they lose interest or pull into some random busy parking lot.

These creeps now know where you live. Probably won't amount to anything. But still...
 
I have a number of 'black sheep' in the family. To my knowledge, most of them (and their associates) have engaged in petty theft, shoplifting, grand theft auto, burglary (residential and/or commercial), drug use, drug trafficing, assault, vandalism, check fraud... you name it, really. In my experience, the average criminal is not a 'one trick pony.'

I only have/had one black sheep in the family and he was a distant cousin, but he is not what I was thinking about when I made my post.

In my experience criminals tend to start-out small and work their way up: shoplifting to other thefts to B&Es to home burglaries to robberies to murder. If they are involved in drugs (and we are seeing ALOT of criminals using their crimes to support their habit), they may start anywhere in that cycle.
 
I for one, think the OP may have dodged a bullet here. Sounds to me like the BG's were planning on attacking when the OP pulled into his garage, or otherwise got out of the car not paying attention. When the OP stopped still near the road, they decided that he was on to them, and they bugged out. I think there might have been a different ending had he continued on up to his house.

Sounds to me like he passed, but only by accident.

I would also say that staying in the car, in that situation, seems to have been the right thing to do. Had the BGs gotten out, he still had a bunch of driveway. Drop the car in drive and get away. If he had gotten out, that puts the BGs in control and leaves the OP exposed.
 
While I'm in agreement with everyone saying that you should drive past your home and make a bunch of turns if you believe you're being followed, I also agree with the couple of people who note that, in this specific instance, his actions did NOT indicate that he was at his home; Pulling barely into a long driveway and just sitting in the car most likely caused the people in the following car to realize they'd been made and their mark was just waiting to react to any action they might take. Though inadvertently (it seems), he created a choke point.
 
I would have driven on a way before doubling back.
Failing that, or having discounted the threat UNTIL the other vehicle pulled in behind me, I would likely have gotten out of my car fairly nonchalantly and, keeping close to my own vehicle, addressed them, asking if they need assistance or were lost. If it's an innocent misunderstanding, then i'm a helpful local. If it's bad intent, i have the option of responding with force from moderate cover or entering my car and creating some distance, or even using my vehicle to disrupt the attack by backing into them, possibly making an escape window in the process.
If they ARE thugs but play innocent and ask if i live here, the answer is no, I'm just visiting a friend.

I agree that staying in the car restricts movement, but a running vehicle within arms reach offers many advantages. The presence of the Mrs. complicates things, but as she's already within the best cover available (for what it's worth) there's not a lot of room to improve that.
 
Never take a potential threat home with you. I would have driven to the nearest police station or someplace very public.
 
At least you noticed someone appearantly following you. I have driven past my driveway many times in this situation. Only once has someone actually been following me. I led them on a merry chase that ended up at the local fire dept. Sometimes when leaving the house, I notice a car driving slowly down the street. I will drive around the block to see if the car is up to no good. I did chase a car off that was parked in front of a neighbor's house. He left when he discovered he was "made". In the future, don't stop where the perps can approach your car without anyone else in the area that can see what is going on. Be prepared, aka armed....chris3
 
The one thing I think everybody is missing here, forgive me if I have missed someone else posting this though, is that it was the appropriate choice to stay in the vehicle because an approx. 4,500 pound Acura is a far superior weapon to any caliber of bullet. In this situation, I would stay in the vehicle, keep the engine running, and watch them closely until they leave or decide to advance. If they get out of their car I put mine in drive, open the window and yell at them to stop where they are and tell me their business if they don't want to be a lot thinner. Of course, I would have the handgun at the ready as well, but I do not see a car as limiting my maneuverability. It's a car, it's whole intended purpose is to move.

[Edit] Just wanted to be clear, when I say put it in drive I don't mean hit the gas. To me, in this situation, putting your car in gear is similar to having your hand ready by your gun. You haven't drawn yet, you're not actually physically threatening anyone yet, but you are prepared to react if the situation requires.
 
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Were there any places for them to turn around at before your drive-way?

Maybe they were trying to find a quiet dirt road to do some drugs on. See that a lot around here.
 
Using a car as a weapon due to verbal provocation alone is a terrible idea. Using a vehicle against an assailant armed with a gun is a bad idea without bullet proof windows.

I just don't see it as very likely that a criminal will target a random vehicle and follow them home to commit what ever crime. The only plausible situaiton in which i see a criminal following a person to their home is for revenge due to road rage or some other interaction. If a criminal wants to target homes based on the type of car being driven would they not just drive down neighborhoods looking for expensive parked cars? If they are trying to target people as they exit their vehicles then the issue would not be going home but not stopping at all.
 
I'll be the contrarian and say that you passed the interview, because they left.

I agree. And they were up to no good. I don't trust ANYONE who drives a late '70's Mercury.

Seriously, though, those guys don't know he didn't get their license number.
 
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Using a car as a weapon due to verbal provocation alone is a terrible idea. Using a vehicle against an assailant armed with a gun is a bad idea without bullet proof windows.

I just don't see it as very likely that a criminal will target a random vehicle and follow them home to commit what ever crime. The only plausible situaiton in which i see a criminal following a person to their home is for revenge due to road rage or some other interaction. If a criminal wants to target homes based on the type of car being driven would they not just drive down neighborhoods looking for expensive parked cars? If they are trying to target people as they exit their vehicles then the issue would not be going home but not stopping at all.
Have you ever tried to shoot through a standard windshield with a handgun cartridge? I don't necessarily think all of this methodology is the most useful, but it gets the point across.The Buick of Truth And I wouldn't say to use your car as a weapon against someone without the same kind of justification you would need to draw your firearm on someone. You wouldn't draw your gun on someone for no more than verbal provocation either, would you? All I am saying is that if I had a choice of positions to be in, I would rather be the one in the car than the one with the gun trying to stop the car. Despite Hollywood portrayals it isn't as easy as it looks.
And there could be any number of reasons a criminal might target you, we're all just random individuals passing by until we inadvertently signify ourselves as being an easy enough target in some way. I agree that we shouldn't live in fear, I certainly don't. However, the reason I don't live in fear is because I do the best I can to be prepared for any eventuality.
 
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My Approach:

1) I slowed way-the-Hades down and forced them to pass me.

2) I drove past my home.

3) I contacted local LEOs by cellular and give incident report.

4) If I HAD entered my drive, I would have left 6 inches of drive way for them to "park" (in the road). They no longer have lights in my eyes. It potentially gives me a better view of the plate as they leave. It allows them an escape route so they don't hit fight-of-flight mode.

5) I have a car-mounted camera for just such events. Is it real or is it Memorex?!

Critique:

1) You showed them where you live.

2) You failed to advise local LEOs of event and a general description.

3) You gave them secure parking, off of the road, and reduced their level of concern.

4) You didn't have a car-mounted camera to catch the digital image for when the LEOs arrive if you report after-the-fact.

You're alive. Be vigilant.

Geno
 
If a criminal wants to target homes based on the type of car being driven would they not just drive down neighborhoods looking for expensive parked cars? If they are trying to target people as they exit their vehicles then the issue would not be going home but not stopping at all.

The scam, as I understand it, is to pull in behind a homeowner and grab them as they go into the house or while they are in the garage. Then force them at gunpoint to unlock the doors, disarm the alarm system, and show them where the valuables are. Murder is optional but likely. This way they don't have to deal with all that pesky security.
 
Recently, Mrs. Ceetee and I were out shopping in an area thirty minutes away from home. We were in her car, a well-maintained and new-looking Acura. I was driving. We live off the highway, around four miles down a narrow, winding road. Despite the twisty-turney conditions of the road, it's an important artery for people to take because it's a good shortcut from here to there, so there's more traffic down this road than you would think.

I didn't notice anyone following us home from the store, but a short distance from the turnoff onto out street, a white car drove up close behind. Not exactly tailgating, but close. The driver had his high beams on, and it was a cloudy gray day, so I couldn't see who was in the car. All I could tell was that the car itself was a white boxy-looking thing, it had that late seventies Mercury look going on. This car had followed closely behind us for a good two miles by the time I came up to our driveway.

I didn't know his intentions, and a great many people drive like this, so I wasn't really in Condition Red - more like Orange - when I pulled off into my driveway. I stopped a couple car lengths from the road because I wanted to get out and check the mail. As I unfastened my seatbelt, I looked in the mirror and saw this car pull into my driveway behind me. Since the lights were no longer in my eyes, I could tell that it was occupied by two black males that appeared to be in their early twenties. One had really wild hair, like an afro that needed combing really badly. And he needed a shave. As soon as I saw them pull in, my hand went to the Officer's Model strapped to my belt.

I watched them in my mirrors as they looked at the rear of our car. We sat like that for a good ten seconds, as Mrs. Ceetee said, "Well, are you going to go get the mail or what?"

I remembered to breathe again when I saw them reverse out of my driveway and go back the way they came from. I still waited a good five more seconds before I got out of my vehicle to go "get the mail".

It wasn't until much later that I realized:

1. I couldn't give a decent description of either man in the car.
2. I never bothered to get the license number of the car.
3. I can't even tell you the make or model of the car.
4. Sometimes time passes really quickly, but really slowly at the same time.

All-in-all, I'm satisfied with the outcome of the encounter - it may well have been an innocent thing (or like Mrs. Ceetee said, "See? They just needed to turn around."). I'm highly upset at myself for not being as observant as I obviously should have been.

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Would you have put your hand on your gun if they were two clean cut white guys?
 
^^^ I agree that there was no logical reason to describe anything about them except their gender and approximate age. Maybe if they had bright red mohawk haircuts or were wearing ski caps (could be pulled down to cover their faces), etc. None of us here have the need to know that much detail. We're not LEO's taking a police report.

I'm sure there was no ill intent toward any ethnic group but it doesn't "look" right in a forum called THR, IMHO.
 
There were no negative comments made regarding their ethnicity, and the OP said that his hand went to the gun as soon as he saw the car pull in, not for any other reason.

It strikes me that the OP was just being descriptive in his retelling of the story, nothing more.
 
I just love it when everyone assumes that every one lives in a townhouse and the police station is just down the block.

If I you drive past my drieway it is 5 miles of dirt till it deadends in the middle of nowhere 20 miles from any place. You could fire off a whole belt of 50MG and no one would hear it.

Drive to the closest police station. Yea right the closest one is 12 mile and is only used by deputies to fill out reports and maybe take a pottie break. The closest manned station is 40 miles yea just drive on over there.
 
Would you have put your hand on your gun if they were two clean cut white guys?

I probably wouldn't. How a person chooses to dress and groom themselves is an indication of how they expect to be viewed by the public. Appearance is a choice. When someone chooses to dress and groom in a clean cut manner, it says something about them. Something different than what baggy jeans, a wife-beater shirt, and a ball-cap says about someone.
 
There are areas where white people are more out of place and might be perceived to be a more of a threat. That cuts both ways of course, fair or not.

There is no point singling out any one ethnic group, but depending on the area, it's not illogical to respond one way to a member of one ethnic group in a given situation, and a member of another in a different way. Just like men are statistically more likely to commit a crime than women, and younger people than older people, ethnicity can be correlated - in some locations, and some instances - with criminality.

Anyone who uses ethnicity as the sole basis for their judgment is a fool, but I would argue that so is anyone who ignores it altogether.
 
Would you have put your hand on your gun if they were two clean cut white guys?
I sure woulda. I know better than to assume that clean-cut people (of any color) are any more or less likely to be criminals. The only reason I mentioned it was to point out that even though I consider myself a fairly observant person, that was the best description I can give. I can't even tell you which of the two was driver and which was passenger. Hopefully, my story can be a somewhat cautionary tale for others that may find themselves in my situation.

I'm in a similar situation to tombstonejim. The nearest police station is 8 or 10 miles away. There are no "random corners" to drive around to verify whether you're really being followed or not. Any "random turns" I make will be into someone's driveway, and they would have every right to react toward me the same way that I react to someone unannounced pulling into MY driveway.

We make the best choices we can no matter what life throws at us. I've learned from this episode, and I hope others can learn from my mistakes. (LOL)
 
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