I think that people are moving back to 9mm

[Dragoon44]

When LE started leaving the 9mm in droves, it was due to its ineffectiveness.

Not even remotely true, there are still some very large agencies issuing the 9mm and those agencies have had quite a bit of experience with the 9mm in shootings, and see no reason to move away from it. The move to the .40 was not becaue the 9mm was ineffective it was because it was trendy and the FBI went to it.

Its mostly about confidence in what we carry - and .40 gives me that over the 9mm.

There is no real world advantage of the .40 over the 9mm. if you want to believe there is that's fine. but it is just an example of perception dictating reality rather than fact dictating reality.

 

[duncan]

Some rounds like Powermax use a SGD 115 grain bullet and get it doing 500 FPE out of a Glock 17. Or a 124 grainer doing 465 FPE.

Ouch and I'm glad I'm on the other end.

9mm has come a long way.

Hydrashoks, Golden Sabres, Gold Dots, Rangers, it's all good - just practice.

 

[duncan]

40Sw is a great ground. But as to accuracy, I'm still looking at all of my targets and thinking 9mm and 45 ACP have an edge accuracy wise.

40SW is a great self defense round though.

 

[Edmond]

The move to the .40 was not becaue the 9mm was ineffective it was because it was trendy and the FBI went to it.

That's just like the whole Glock perfection phenomena. People think that because a LE agency uses it, it must be the best thing out there. That's not entirely true because when you're dealing with a tight budget (which most LE agencies are) and possibly hundreds of officers, the money adds up. The guns were probably almost given to LE agencies in .40 and that sparked interest in the self defense field.

I rarely see people shoot .40 at IDPA, it's usually .45 or 9mm.

Personally, I do not think the .40 has an advantage over the 9mm. The costs of more muzzle flip, higher cost of shooting, a bulkier weapon and reduced capacity would not outweigh the benefits of carrying 9mm, where I can have quicker follow up shots because of lower flip, more capacity and a lower cost of shooting. Just a few more PSI will not make me switch.

 

[Jamie C.]

Y'know, my grandfather used to rely on a little .32 H&R breaktop revolver for his concealed carry weapon. And it served him pretty damned well too.

Now, compared to that, the average hi-cap 9mm is pretty much a pocket-sized tactical nuclear weapon, I think.... and certainly enough for us mere mortals that aren't either L.E.O.'s or active duty military...

Sorry, but in the grand scheme of things, both a 9mm and a .45 make a pretty small hole, all things considered. So halfway between the two is still pretty insignificant. *shrug*




J.C.

 

[duncan]

That's just like the whole Glock perfection phenomena. People think that because a LE agency uses it, it must be the best thing out there. That's not entirely true because when you're dealing with a tight budget (which most LE agencies are) and possibly hundreds of officers, the money adds up. The guns were probably almost given to LE agencies in .40 and that sparked interest in the self defense field.

From a government contractor standpoint, Glocks are priced in the middle of the road.

With only 34 or so parts, many made out of plastic, and being easy to fix, LEAs love guns that work.

Budgets are tight but police unions push for getting good equipment and Glocks are at the top of list.

I agree with you that in order to move the 40SW round, Glock and other manufacturers have pushed the round.