I thought Fred supported the 2A...

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I ran across this:

"Fred Thompson’s Anti-Gun Senate Record"

"The Conservatives Against Fred Thompson volunteers have compiled a list of proposals voted for by Fred Dalton Thompson in the senate that include Gun Bans, confiscations and limitations of free speech by Gun Rights Advocates. Dates and bill numbers are provided so this information can be easily verified."

http://conservativesagainstfred.wordpress.com/2007/06/11/fred-thompsons-anti-gun-senate-record/

I'd have to say I'm a bit disappointed :mad:
 
The operatives who have gone digging really had to stretch to find something.

They have also studied the gun culture quite carefully to determine what hot buttons to press to see how much progun support they can chop out from under him...but in favor of whom? The closet statist Guiliani? His near twin Romney? The laughable "It's my turn" McCain?

There are 13 charges.

Two are not even gun related.

Two have substance, and are disturbing,

The remainder are context twisters.


Make no mistake: this is not the work of anyone genuinely interested in gun rights, or a group of "concerned citizens". That blog is a professional hit piece, whose only purpose is to sow as much doubt as possible about Thompson, and needs to be evaluated as such.
 
Fred Thompson has already been outted as a two-faced phoney-baloney would-be candidate who isn't even electable with his health condition anyway. I wouldn't worry about it.
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Unless you want "The Grande Dame" or Obama you better hope that this is untrue!
 
Y'know, Fred Thompson . . .

. . . is the only candidate . . .

. . . with a shooting event named after him.

The other candidates are pretty much all mainstream gun grabbers. Rudy G leads the pack with his Brady love fest thing and his active attempt to put the gun companies out of business.

I'm with Fred.
 
The other candidates are pretty much all mainstream gun grabbers. Rudy G leads the pack with his Brady love fest thing and his active attempt to put the gun companies out of business.
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are you putting ron paul in this group?
 
Ron Paul?

No, I would never put Ron Paul in that group.

My apologies if it seemed that way.

I'm a fan of Ron Paul. I just wish he'd quit shooting himself in the foot.
 
It will be interesting to see all the Fred Thompson bashers after the '08 election, as they try to figure out which of their weapons President Clinton will come for first. No doubt they will be the first ones to complain about the outcome and start making bold pronouncements about turning in their bullets first.

I prefer to look at the big picture rather than look for an imaginary perfect candidate. I like Ron Paul but he ain't ever going to be president of the U.S. Period, end of story. Who else is there? I say Fred is our best bet at this point, though that could always change in the next 1.5 years.
 
Ah, a right to life hit group. They don't list their names on their site either. JT

"Conservatives Against Fred Thompson is comprised of individuals of many faiths and creeds, bound by the common belief that each individual is endowed by their creator with the right to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness as stated so well by our nation’s founders. We hold that the right to life is so central that all other rights are meaningless unless that fundamental right to life is first secured.

We will toil, we will persist and we will never give up.

- The Founders"
 
+1 on Geek...this is a pretty big stretch even if true.

The only one I really have an issue with is the Lautenberg Am....

Fred has come out pretty vocally as a Pro Gun Candidate......FAR more clearly and with a much better record on 2A than anyone except Ron Paul.....the problem with RP/Dr No is that he's just not electable and his views on Foreign Policy are up there with sticking your head in the sand and hoping that you won't get shot in the ass.
 
geekWithA.45 said,
Make no mistake: this is not the work of anyone genuinely interested in gun rights, or a group of "concerned citizens". That blog is a professional hit piece, whose only purpose is to sow as much doubt as possible about Thompson, and needs to be evaluated as such.
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The man is running for the highest office in the land. Investigation is not only expected but critical.
I was concerned with other issues about his candidacy but this is relevant.
To consider only his appearance and stage presents, without a critical look at the substance of his positions is unwise.
 
It will be interesting to see all the Fred Thompson bashers after the '08 election, as they try to figure out which of their weapons President Clinton will come for first. No doubt they will be the first ones to complain about the outcome and start making bold pronouncements about turning in their bullets first.
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Coming after guns may or may not be high on Thompson's agenda. Outsourcing jobs, insourcing labor and promoting the police-state are all definately on his to-do list. I've never heard of a globalist federal authoritarian who wasn't interested in gun control. Thompson simply is no savior, just another neo-con who talks one way and acts another. As far as having a shooting event named after him, it isn't meaningful. Cheney is a mighty hunter, Kerry tried to make the same claim and Sarah Brady bought a .30-06 for her son.

But, as I said, it doesn't matter. He can't get elected with his cancer anyway.
 
He's far more likely to die WITH his cancer than to die OF his cancer. It's not running amok, he's not terminal, it's not going to be an issue.

I'm with Fred, too.

Springmom
 
Fred Thompson owns two handguns, probably has a few rifles as well. He comes from Tennessee, he's got middle America values. I'm pretty sure its safe to say he's on our side. Out of the current crop of GOP clowns, Fred Thompson is the obvious choice! It speaks volumes that Fred Thompson is in second place right behind Guliani and he's not even in the race! If Fred gets in, and he will next month, I expect Guliani to take a nose dive in the polls. McCain is already done, he's at 14%, fell 8% this month alone, his BS immigration bill should finish him off, good riddance. Romney has the money, but his is a flip-flopper with a shaky record, I don't see him as a player. If it comes down to Guliani or Thompson, I hope America is wise and goes for Thompson.

Personally, I don't see what the appeal of Ron Paul is, I think the guy is an idiot.:neener: (Don's the flame suit).:evil:

FRED THOMPSON '08!:D
 
Outsourcing jobs, insourcing labor and promoting the police-state are all definately on his to-do list. I've never heard of a globalist federal authoritarian who wasn't interested in gun control.
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Can you provide a reference to his to-do list? I haven't seen that one. As for being a "federal authoritarian," I think Fred Thompson has had more positive things to say on the issue of federalism than any other candidate I've heard. And no, to me Ron Paul is not a "candidate" in the practical sense. I know this probably offends many of you.
 
I don't care about Fred Thompson's gun record. It is completely unimportant to me.

He voted for Campaign Finance Reform, which violates political free speech.

He voted for Medicare Reform, the largest social welfare program since Lyndon Johnson.

He voted for the Patriot Act, which has increased the size and intrusiveness of the Federal government.

He supports a never-ending War on Terror.

Please look closely at him. Conservatives are trying to make him out to be their new saviour. He is a neo-conservative in the mold of George W. Bush.

If you voted for Bush and were disappointed, you should look closely at Thompson, because he will disappoint you just as much.
 
Thompson could go on television and announce that he wants to confiscate every gun in the country and the same people would still support him.

They'd just whip out the old "It's a clever ruse to get the gun grabbers to vote for him" excuse.
 
The operatives who have gone digging really had to stretch to find something.
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My thoughts exactly. I wonder who's paying for this. There's no authorship on the "blog," and the organization has no history at all. What do you want to bet it's some operative from the HC campaign?

To consider only his appearance and stage presents, without a critical look at the substance of his positions is unwise.
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It's also very unwise to buy into unsigned attack pieces that appear out of nowhere on the net and are pasted around forums.

Conservatives Against Fred Thompson is a non-profit, non-partisan, non-denominational, social-conservative organization dedicated to upholding the truth about the record of misdeeds of Fred Dalton Thompson and the harm he might pose to the future of our great nation if no action is taken.

Conservatives Against Fred Thompson is comprised of individuals of many faiths and creeds, bound by the common belief that each individual is endowed by their creator with the right to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness as stated so well by our nation’s founders. We hold that the right to life is so central that all other rights are meaningless unless that fundamental right to life is first secured.

We will toil, we will persist and we will never give up.

- The Founders
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Yet not one of them was willing to sign his name. What do you want to bet these "founders" are one guy working for the D's?
 
I have to agree that the website is more of a souless hit-piece than a legitimate 2A protection group. Then again, I think Lone Gunman (Post #20) might be right about Thompson. I've seen a lot of people complaining about the job that Bush and the Republicans have been doing in office, but it seems like they are mostly willing to throw their hope behind someone who is almost exactly the same as the ones they are complaining about.

I'm still looking into it, but from what I've seen so far, the primary differences between Bush and Thompson are 1) Thompson's ability to form complete sentences and speak from a script without screwing up and 2) Thompson may be a little more gun-friendly. On most of the other major issues, I'm afraid he's pretty much the same, which means right now I can't vote for him, and I certainly can't see him saving the Republican party.
 
Middle America Values in my book are :

1) Pro military, strong national defense
2) Anti gay marriage, some see this as a civil rights issue, I see it as a degradation of the moral fabric of America. Why should we change an institution that has been in place for 200 years? In the name of progress? Bull-S***.
3) Anti Abortion, do civilized countries murder their unborn children? Except in a few cases, abortion should be outlawed. (rape and incest would be the exception). Abortion will always be a cop-out for people's stupid decisions, and that's pathetic. No one made these people have sex. (personal responsibility).
4) Gun rights advocate, this one is obvious.
5) Work for what you have, earn it. There are no handouts.
6) I believe religion has a place in America, its what this country was founded on.

These are "middle America" values to me. I'm sure tecumseh will disagree with me on these points, but he asked.:neener: I'm a cultural dinosaur, very traditional, I believe in the traditions that made this country strong. Progressives that want to throw all that out the window piss me off.

My brother is a "progressive", we've had more than a few heated discussions concerning what I mentioned above. My brother believes that guns should be banned, his belief is based purely on all of the media BS, which he takes as gospel.:fire: My brother is ignorant of guns and the "gun culture".
 
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