Why I am not voting for Fred Thompson

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I was strongly considering it, until this:

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20070514-124527-5197r.htm

Christian conservatives pledge support for '08 Thompson bid
By Ralph Z. Hallow
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Published May 14, 2007
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Several leading Christian conservatives say they will rally to former Sen. Fred Thompson, who they expect to announce "in a matter of weeks" that he will seek the Republican nomination for president next year.
"It's not 'if' but 'when,' he will announce," one Protestant evangelical leader says of the behind-the-scenes maneuvering for position in the 2008 race.
A prominent Roman Catholic social conservative says the three Republicans who have raised the most money and have led the polls -- former New York Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani, Arizona Sen. John McCain and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney -- fall short of social conservatives' expectations, but Mr. Thompson doesn't. "He's right on the issues ... He's better than all of the above."
Both the Protestant and Catholic activist, like other Christian conservatives, spoke to The Times on the condition of anonymity.
They say their support for Mr. Thompson is shared by like-minded conservatives, though the sentiment is not unanimous in their circles. Many born-again Christians are said to be skeptical of Mr. Giuliani's views on abortion and same-sex "marriage," of Mr. Romney's change of position on abortion and of his Mormon religious faith, and of Mr. McCain's advocacy of campaign-finance reforms that restrict speech and issues-advocacy ads.
Mr. Thompson, whose celebrity is based on his television and movie acting roles as well as his tenure as a senator from Tennessee, has consistently opposed abortion rights, but until recently had backed campaign-finance laws unpopular with advocacy groups on both the right and left.
The move toward Mr. Thompson was said to have been afoot before Mr. Giuliani, the Republican front-runner in the early polls, announced last week that he supports abortion rights, restrictions on the ownership of guns, and the legal recognition of same-sex unions with some of the benefits and privileges of marriage.
"It's the moment of truth for conservatives," says one of the Christian conservative activists. "Either social conservatives rally to stop a Giuliani nomination and victory for him in November 2008 or our issues -- abortion, same-sex marriage, the preservation of the family -- are permanently off the Republican Party agenda."
Of the dozen or so Republican possibilities, Mike Huckabee, the former Arkansas governor and an ordained Baptist minister, is most closely associated with the Christian conservatives, but he is thought to be especially vulnerable to liberal critics in the press and the Democratic Party. He has been ridiculed in several liberal publications and elsewhere for indicating in the recent Republican debate his skepticism of the theory of evolution, though he does not oppose teaching it in the public schools as theory.
The Christian conservative figures say they are favorably impressed by Mr. Thompson's wife, Keri Kehn, a full-time mother of two young Thompson children. She formerly was on the staff of the Senate Republican Conference and the Republican National Committee.
Mr. Thompson served eight years in the Senate, winning a special election in 1994 for the remaining two years of Vice President Al Gore's term and was elected to a full term in 1996. He has appeared in several movies, once as a president of the United States, and portrays a tough New York district attorney on the popular TV series "Law & Order."
He worked to guide John G. Roberts Jr. through his nomination as chief justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, and then to raise money for the defense of I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby Jr. He helped collect $5 million for the defense of Mr. Libby, convicted in March of obstruction of justice, perjury and lying to the FBI about the purported "outing" of former CIA operative Valerie Plame.
Mr. Thompson is chairman of the International Security Advisory Board, a bipartisan panel that reports to the secretary of state on emerging strategic threats. In 2000, he was national chairman for Mr. McCain's presidential campaign


I am sorry, but I am DONE with that version of the GOP. Whoever is "their" candidate isn't going to be MY candidate--I am sick to death of having a President who is politically beholden to these people.

You guys can have your single issue "litmus test" based solely on the 2A--I have no quarrel with that. But I have to have one right here as well--enough is enough. I can stand the influence of these cretins no longer.

I am well aware of the maxim "the perfect is the enemy of the good", but before you blast me with it, you should consider how it applies yourselves as well.

I will be perfectly willing to reconsider if Thompson demonstrably shows his independence from these types--but I am not holding my breath.
 
That's it? That's enough to sway you? They do this every election, and they are a big voting block.

Mr. Romney's change of position on abortion and of his Mormon religious faith

This is where I am upset..I am a Catholic but I dont like the bigotry of some against Mormons.
 
Yeah, "that's it"--when you find yourself consistently in the same boat as these clowns, then from my perspective, it is time for a new itinerary.

I have no problem with "bigotry" against Mormons--or Muslims, or Catholics, or any other religious beliefs. We constantly disdain people for their belief systems--socialists, fascists, etc. Yet somehow when it comes to Magical Invisible Beings, belief suddenly becomes irrelevant--even when those very same people (like Romney) premise themselves publicly on their belief system ("family values", etc.) In fact, Romney himself has said we need "a person of faith" in the White House. He, and you, can't have it both ways. If someone wants their religion to be irrelevant to their public life, then they should keep it the hell out of their public life to begin with.

I am DONE with the evangelicals.
 
I personally have no great love for the hardcore evangelicals but thats not a show stopper for me.

The thing about Fred T is that he appears to be pretty private about his religious beliefs, so much so that up until a few weeks ago there were questions about his beliefs on the issue....

Based upon that I am not concerned by the religious right having any real influence over Fred.

Run Fred Run!
 
Whoever is "their" candidate isn't going to be MY candidate--I am sick to death of having a President who is politically beholden to these people.

I will be perfectly willing to reconsider if Thompson demonstrably shows his independence from these types…

What has he done to show dependence on ‘those types’? It seems pretty narrow minded.
 
Congratulations.

You have allowed your sheer hatred of one group of people to turn you off of a candidate.

Now, two questions:
1) What, exactly, makes this firearm related?
2) How, exactly, is this "High Road" material. I would think that your complete and utter disdain of those who have religious beliefs would be anything but.
 
So, let me get this straight....

You're against Fred Thompson because some evangelicals have endorsed him? :confused: Do what you want, but I prefer to choose my candidates based on what they say and think, not who likes them or doesn't. As far as I can tell, Fred Thompson is WAAAAYYYYY better than anybody else out there on the GOP ticket, and the first whiff of a "Thompson for President" campaign in this area will find me there volunteering, for the first time in 30 years.

BTW, I am not a moderator and do not play one on TV, but could we just agree to dispense with slamming people's religions? "Magical Invisible Being" is offensive. If you don't believe in God, okay, but don't insult the intelligence of those who do by using that kind of snarky language.

Springmom
 
Are you kidding? Fred T. will proly be about the most non policial, politician to come down the pike in a long time. Not only is he world famous, and a multi millionaire, he needs no backing, no support, and certainly doesn't need this job.
He also conveys intent in his messages in 1 sentence, Very Reagan.
That is who we are looking for, and he is as close as it gets.
 
I have no problem with "bigotry" against Mormons--or Muslims, or Catholics, or any other religious beliefs. We constantly disdain people for their belief systems--socialists, fascists, etc. Yet somehow when it comes to Magical Invisible Beings,

Yeah...so religious persecution is OK to you. Real high road there.

I have no problem with "bigotry"

Got a better word for it?
 
By the way, i am a hardcore evangelical, I give money, I preech and teach to whomever, i send money and tithe. It just so happens, that if you ever personally really knew a big bunch of us, you would know , that we are the biggest lovers of freedom an independence, you could ever wanna know. Why?
Because we believe everything comes down to a personal choice, and that we are to be held individually responsible.
 
A lot of what we beleive and support the evangelicals are going to get behind. Get over it. Freedom of religion and the right to bear arms are two of the biggies we were founded on.
 
A lot of what we beleive and support the evangelicals are going to get behind. Get over it.

It is not even that. The poster is bordering on flat out religious hatred. Last I checked Communist countries also had state Atheism...apparently thats what he'd prefer
 
Wow, basing your vote on what someone else does.

And you say believing in a "Magical Invisible Being" is illogical. You have to be kidding.
 
For you reading impaaired, I already said "I will be perfectly willing to reconsider if Thompson demonstrably shows his independence from these types--but I am not holding my breath."

But if he becomes the religious crank candidate, he's done in my book. It will be his choice how he runs.

I still haven't stopped throwing up over how our currently Loser-In-Chief and a GOP Congress pandered over the whole Terry Schiavo incident--what a disgrace.

Oooh, and I am so scared of the "A" word!
 
I am also waiting for you guys to tell me that if the Brady Bunch endorsed a candidate, that would not influence your vote.

Get real, people.
 
You know that the religious conservatives are going to support someone though. Does that mean you will automatically not support anyone they support?

Just because a group supports one candidate does not mean that candidate is beholden to them. Look at either President Bush. Both were supported by the NRA, but neither did much for gun owners.

Also, although George Bush appears to pay homage to religious conservatives, he has actually done nothing for them really, except talk.
 
Oh, now were into the well-reasoned responses by the religious folks--great.

In comparison to what? The "well-reasoned" troll baiting atheist posts? It doesnt take a long look of this board to see that about 1/2 are conservative and thus quite possibly religious. I understand your point about not wanting to be in the pocket of the Jerry Falwells of the world, but you dont need to go about it insulting every religion and then pledging your support for discrimination.
 
If you troll, you shouldn't gripe that others respond to your troll with equally-childish crud as you yourself posted. :rolleyes:

Closed, for wallowing in the dirt beside the high road.

pax
 
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