RobMoore
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Buy the maglula pistol mag loader and you won't take so long.
I Tried the 9mm and Liked It...Feeling Guilty :)
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easyg
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I'm sure the 9mm was easier to shoot....it's a weaker caliber.
A .22 is even easier to shoot well.
Nothing's for free....
When you shoot a more powerful caliber you're going to pay in greater recoil
Yeah, the 9mm is a serious round, and it has put many a man six feet under.
But from all that I have ever seen, read, or heard, in real world shootings, it just doesn't perform as well a the .40S&W or the .45ACP, or even the .357Sig.
You might want to check around first.
Around here I'm still seeing .40 and .357Sig, but I haven't seen .380, 9mm, or .45 ammo on the shelves in a quite a while.
Quadkid
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I don't feel guilty when I spend $11 on a box of 9mm when my buddy spends $27 on a box of .45. I love shooting my 9mm P01 as much as my .45 1911.
Motownfire
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Don't feel guilty. For the last 7+ years have shot nothing but .40S&W (G22,G23 & my G27). I have a lonewolf 40-9 barrel that I used for range time before I started re loading .40S&W.
My fiance carries a G26 and loves it. It's a lot of fun shooting her G26, and it shoots well.
My fiance carries a G26 and loves it. It's a lot of fun shooting her G26, and it shoots well.
Good point. Here in CT, .40 is the most common... 9mm and .45 tend to be scarce at the big-box stores like WalMart and Dicks, with .380 being the most elusive.
1SOW
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Southpaw: Get an uplula reloader. You won't believe how fast it can pump 18 rds into a mag with a little practice--and no sore fingers.
Thanks, how much faster is it than the stocker...?
lwknight
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You are not undergunned with a 9mm. Unless you have 20+ year old ammo or handloaded ammo, you probably have some watered down lawyer loads even for .357 magnum. It is downright shameful that the once mighty 357 magnum is now very little more than a +P+ 9mm.
Just read the side of the box. 357 magnum 125 JHP 1250 fps. They used to be 1600 or so. 9mm +P+ 124 grain JHP 1300 fps. What gives?
You have to buy buffalo bore ammo or roll yer own to get full power.
Just read the side of the box. 357 magnum 125 JHP 1250 fps. They used to be 1600 or so. 9mm +P+ 124 grain JHP 1300 fps. What gives?
You have to buy buffalo bore ammo or roll yer own to get full power.
JohnhenrySTL
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I think a 9mm would be fine to put somebody down. I have had enough experience hunting, to know that big powerfull bullets mean more here on the internet than they do in the process of killing. I carry a Sig p229, it shoots 40's. At the time I bought it, 40's were available and 9's werent. I also just recently purchased a cz82 which shoots 9x18, which is very similar to a 9mm. Don't ever want to shoot somebody, but if I did, and was willing to deal with the consequences, I would feel fine using my 9x18. I was told in my original hunter's safety class, that .22s kill more people in America than any other round year after year. Thanks all for keeping it enertaining. If anybody has owned and knows their way around Polish Tokorev's please let me know.
Autolycus
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I love the 9mm. I was a diehard .40 S&W guy for a long while. But after doing a little research and seeing how much money I would save by switching to 9mm it became my round of choice. I am planning on standardizing on 9mm and .45 ACP guns. Of course the revolvers will be in different calibers.
FenderTK421
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I'm a pretty die-hard .45 guy. Nothing against the 9mm really, in fact, I got one for my girlfriend as a 'starter gun'. I found our perceptions of recoil odd though - I will gladly (If I can afford it anymore) shoot 500 rounds through any of my .45's and have a huge grin on my face when done. The girl HATES all of my .45's but finds the 9mm quite comfortable. After 100 rounds through the 9mm my wrists hurt, and I am used to shooting some pretty big calibers, up to .454. For me the .45 has a very pleasant push to it, the 9mm has a small but sharp crack or snap to it. Yes, there is less perceived recoil w/ the 9mm, but I personally find it more punishing than the push recoil associated w/ the .45's. That being said, I find myself shooting her 9mm more and more often as the ammunition is now far more affordable than the .45. I have actually been thinking of adding a couple of new 9mm's to the collection just because of ammo price/availability. And yes, I do feel like a dirty traitor... 
As far as feeling "under gunned", with my xDm, I feel quite confident with my 19+1 rounds of Federal HP's. I love my .45 and .357 but with the firepower that my 9mm can put out from only one magazine, I feel pretty darn good if I need to grab it in a pinch.
easyg
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But here's the problem....
When using a semi, with a round in the chamber, you're about 99.99% likely to get off at least the first shot without any type of malfunction.
But you might experience a failure-to-eject or failure-to-load or some other malfunction on the second loading/shot.
Personally, I would rather that all important first shot be a .40, .45, or .357Sig than a 9mm.
Just something to think about.
Kingofthehill
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well you fell for a heck of a gun.
The glock 19 is a fantastic pistol. the glock 19 and 23 are the only glock's i like and can shoot well.
JOe
The glock 19 is a fantastic pistol. the glock 19 and 23 are the only glock's i like and can shoot well.
JOe
Valid points, but my xD has over 3000 rounds with ZERO malfunctions. My 1911 has had about 4-5 FTE's out of 650. Now like you said, if only one shot gets out of the barrel it might as well be a big one... But the chances of my 9mm failing given it's track record, is minimal at best. Either way, I use a .357 wheelgun as my CC and bedside gun. Reliability with capacity as a trade off...
nitetrane98
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LOL!! Heck, I'm a "If it goes bang diehard" Never shot a handgun I didn't like, I have shot some I wouldn't buy. Of course we all have preferences re: caliber.
searcher451
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I'm not sure why the OP would feel guilty. Some of my best friends -- and most frequent range companions -- are 9mm. It has been a worthy, proven round for a long, long time.
Yes and I might get struck by lightning or hit by a stray bullet. The odds of an automatic, that has proven itself extremely reliable, malfunctioning at the exact moment I need it are so slim that its worth disregarding that fear in order to reap the benefits of the technology.
easyg
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Actually, I don't think the odds of an auto malfunctioning are all that slim at all.
There's a very good reason that those who use autos to seek and eliminate the bad guys also routinely, and frequently, practice malfunction drills.
Take 20 guys with semi's to the range on any given day and I'll bet that at least one of them will have at least one malfunction when shooting, be it ammo related, magazine related, weapon related, or user related.
Honestly, I have to side with Ben. The benefits of an automatic firearm (especially a reliable one) greatly outnumber the risk of a malfunction. Life is all about playing the odds, and the odds of the above mentioned indefinitely in your favor of it going bang when you pull the trigger.
Otherwise LE and Military would be using revolvers and bolt-action rifles... Exclusively.
rockhound758:
This is my G19C, with a 2.5 pound trigger. The trigger “re-sets” in 1/8th inch! This pistol has such ease of control that I can fire 3, double-taps per second with it. This is my most recent point-shoot session. This target is 50 rounds, fired at 10 yards, 3-double-taps per second. Others who fire this pistol, with this trigger, are astonished. It will spoil you forever. This is the pistol I take to my Advanced Tactical Shooting courses. It always makes an impression.
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This is my G19C, with a 2.5 pound trigger. The trigger “re-sets” in 1/8th inch! This pistol has such ease of control that I can fire 3, double-taps per second with it. This is my most recent point-shoot session. This target is 50 rounds, fired at 10 yards, 3-double-taps per second. Others who fire this pistol, with this trigger, are astonished. It will spoil you forever. This is the pistol I take to my Advanced Tactical Shooting courses. It always makes an impression.
Geno
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The LE/military argument is fallacious for a number of reasons. For one thing, LE/military personnel often have more than one weapon on them and they often also have other personnel to cover them. (You said "automatic" but I am sure you meant "semi-automatic".)
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