yotehunter
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My three Razorbacks No.211, 212, and 215 are all identical. They have no FCS and on the left side in very small letters is RZ 10. The slides look very nice without all the crap others have on them.
I want a 10mm, but...
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Another vote for the Delta Elite, if you don't like Glocks. I have had my DE since 1989-1990 and it still shoots my heavy stuff and is smooth. I think that the G20 is the strongest 10mm auto on the market today, but the S&W autos and revolver are up there as well.
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I have a Witness, S&W 1006, and SS pre II Kimber 40 that is reemed.
I like the Kimber the best since it is VERY accurate and reliable (it's been 100% with metal form mags) and has the best trigger and feel to me being a 1911. I got it LNIB for $525, the LNIB 1006 for $450, and EAA target, new for $325.
The 1006 is a great gun and very tough but has that long trigger like the EAA. All are accurate and totally reliable so far and worth every penny.
The Colts may need some tweeking to be a tack driver,, there is a blue delta for around $669 (buy now, on auction.)
the DW Razorbacks have had some problems and have some cheap junk parts that need changing and will cost you money , they also don't have a fully supported ramp barrel like the others(including Kimber), which could be a danger with hot loads, also make a cast frame PM -10mm for $600 or less. But I stongly suggest the Kimber mod for the money.
Find a good used pre II Kimber 40 and have it reemed for about $75 or so. You will not believe how good the 40's shoot when reemed to 10mm .
Also the S&W 610 revolver is very accurate and shoot 40's as well.
The Star is impossible to find at a good price, is too heavy to carry and LOL with parts and mags. The 1911 and Glocks have all the aftermarkt parts you'll ever need. Bren
I like the Kimber the best since it is VERY accurate and reliable (it's been 100% with metal form mags) and has the best trigger and feel to me being a 1911. I got it LNIB for $525, the LNIB 1006 for $450, and EAA target, new for $325.
The 1006 is a great gun and very tough but has that long trigger like the EAA. All are accurate and totally reliable so far and worth every penny.
The Colts may need some tweeking to be a tack driver,, there is a blue delta for around $669 (buy now, on auction.)
the DW Razorbacks have had some problems and have some cheap junk parts that need changing and will cost you money , they also don't have a fully supported ramp barrel like the others(including Kimber), which could be a danger with hot loads, also make a cast frame PM -10mm for $600 or less. But I stongly suggest the Kimber mod for the money.
Find a good used pre II Kimber 40 and have it reemed for about $75 or so. You will not believe how good the 40's shoot when reemed to 10mm .
Also the S&W 610 revolver is very accurate and shoot 40's as well.
The Star is impossible to find at a good price, is too heavy to carry and LOL with parts and mags. The 1911 and Glocks have all the aftermarkt parts you'll ever need. Bren
Parker Dean
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Interesting. That wasn't in the deal as I understood it, all numbers over 150 were to have FCS's, but hey, that's what you get with a small manufacturer.
tiberius
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Bren,
How do those recut .40 Kimbers hold up? I know that they are bringing out a factory 10mm soon, but this sounds interesting.
How do those recut .40 Kimbers hold up? I know that they are bringing out a factory 10mm soon, but this sounds interesting.
CZ-100
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Delta Elite, I have owned mine since '88, Great Gun!
Tiberius, They hold up real good like any well made 1911 should when sprung right. The fixed sights are dead on and the modern beavertail feels much better with warm loads. I'm still amazed at how well this gun works and shoots ( being a conversion) and it has become my favorite. I've owned lots of Kimbers but the 10mm seems to really do it for me.
Mines a pre II BTW, I don't care for the type II guns. Get out and find a 40!
Mines a pre II BTW, I don't care for the type II guns. Get out and find a 40!
MikeD29
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I have Razorback 180, it has NFCS, also had some other changes as well, namely he K style trigger.
I also have two Deltas and a Glock 29, all great guns.
Patience is the key with the Deltas, I got my Stainless one this year for $550 shipped. I was able to trade my H&K compact for the blue Delta, so I guess $500 was what I paid for it. Just search the auction sites and local gun shows....saw a stainless Delta go for under $600 at the last San Antonio SAXET show. If I would have had money at the time, I would have gotten it, saw it a couple of hours before it sold. I actually overheard a guy talkin 10mm and gave him the heads up on it, he bought it.
My next purchase is going to be a S&W 1066 or 1076.
I have a Para P16-40 LTD that I am looking to convert, although I may sell it, not sure. Has two high caps that will work with the 10mm - 16 rounder and 21 rounder.
Rumor on the 1911 Colt forum is a new Colt 10mm, very possibly a commander style.
I also have two Deltas and a Glock 29, all great guns.
Patience is the key with the Deltas, I got my Stainless one this year for $550 shipped. I was able to trade my H&K compact for the blue Delta, so I guess $500 was what I paid for it. Just search the auction sites and local gun shows....saw a stainless Delta go for under $600 at the last San Antonio SAXET show. If I would have had money at the time, I would have gotten it, saw it a couple of hours before it sold. I actually overheard a guy talkin 10mm and gave him the heads up on it, he bought it.
My next purchase is going to be a S&W 1066 or 1076.
I have a Para P16-40 LTD that I am looking to convert, although I may sell it, not sure. Has two high caps that will work with the 10mm - 16 rounder and 21 rounder.
Rumor on the 1911 Colt forum is a new Colt 10mm, very possibly a commander style.
MarkScottShow.US
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Forget the Glocks, Forget the Delta's (whimmpy boys), forget the Dan Wessons......
Find yourself a Springfield Omega 10mm 6" ported it comes with a poly barrel, they are 1911 types, strong as a sledge hammer, and accurate, very accurate - mine is a dream, looking for another.................
Find yourself a Springfield Omega 10mm 6" ported it comes with a poly barrel, they are 1911 types, strong as a sledge hammer, and accurate, very accurate - mine is a dream, looking for another.................
Tamara
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I'm not clear on this...
Nightcrawler
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6" 1911s look weird. And, being my only 10mm gun for the time being, I'd prefer something a bit more practically sized.
A 10mm revolver might be neat, but I already have a .41 Magnum. I'd just like to play with a bottomfeeder that has more oopmh than .45ACP can deliver (and is more available than .45 Super).
A 10mm revolver might be neat, but I already have a .41 Magnum. I'd just like to play with a bottomfeeder that has more oopmh than .45ACP can deliver (and is more available than .45 Super).
MarkScott, the Omega is cool but they are going for smoking crack prices! definatly a better collector value than a smokin crack priced Delta! 
This one is yours NIB for $1325.
Nightcrawler, take your time, they are out there and,,, cough cough cough, find a 40 pre II Kimber to covert. Bren
This one is yours NIB for $1325.
Nightcrawler, take your time, they are out there and,,, cough cough cough, find a 40 pre II Kimber to covert.
BrenNightcrawler
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But front cocking serrations 1911s are ICKY.
If I really want a 10mm, I'll probably break down and get a Witness. I already have a CZ-97 and am familiar with CZ-type firearms (the 97B actually takes Witness 45 mags).
The idea of a 15+1 10mm Automatic is appealing, but I don't know if I could ever bring myself to buy a Glock. They're so passe.
If I really want a 10mm, I'll probably break down and get a Witness. I already have a CZ-97 and am familiar with CZ-type firearms (the 97B actually takes Witness 45 mags).
The idea of a 15+1 10mm Automatic is appealing, but I don't know if I could ever bring myself to buy a Glock. They're so passe.
Nightcrawler
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And yet...the G20 is appealing somehow. I think because of the amount of accessories for it, and the ease of finding holsters and such (something that's simply not the case with the Witness).
Still, we're talking six hundred bucks for the Glock. Awfully pricey.
Still, we're talking six hundred bucks for the Glock. Awfully pricey.
MarkScottShow.US
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My Crack at the Delta's was due to the early versions Quality problems. The Frame I believe had a slight cracking problem....I am sure fixed in later versions......
Omega's are $$ (as compared to what...), but worth every penny, after all, if you are going to shoot crap expect crappy results......<G>
Omega's are $$ (as compared to what...), but worth every penny, after all, if you are going to shoot crap expect crappy results......<G>
tiberius
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Do the Glocks bulge the brass like they do with .40's?
JimC
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My G20C does with the OEM barrel but only with the hottest of my loads. The same loads in my 5.5" Bar-Sto barrel do not bulge as much.
This past Monday I fired my Colt Delta Elite for the first time. It was the first time for me and it. The hottest loads using Starline brass bulged the brass in that also.
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The problem with the Delta was fundamental to the 1911 frame design itself, actually. It wasn't a QC problem, and anybody using an old-style 1911 frame to make a 10mm will have the same problem. Colt re-designed the frame by milling away the frame rail above the slide stop hole to prevent stress cracks.
http://www.geocities.com/mr_motorhead/10tech.html#delta
By the way, those Omegas are famous for being problematic guns... moreso than any Delta Elite ever was. If you want another one, good luck... you'll need it.
http://home.earthlink.net/~gnappi/10mmtips.htm#omega
It pays to actually know something about what you are talking about.
Tamara
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The main problems on Delta Elites (other than the insignificant framerail crack, a problem which it shared, ironically, with Star PD's) were related to Colt's er, iffy QC of the period. Apparently Colt got a deal on staking tools made of play-doh, and on a hard-recoiling gun like the Delta, this occasionally caused premature loosening or departure of staked-on parts, like the plunger tube.
Also, there was the lovely factory plastic guide rod. This is useful to show if a Delta Elite is really NIB or not; if it's not broken, the gun probably hasn't been shot.
Also, there was the lovely factory plastic guide rod. This is useful to show if a Delta Elite is really NIB or not; if it's not broken, the gun probably hasn't been shot.
JimC
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When I picked up my DE last week, the first items to go were the plastic guide rod w/the dual spring setup, plastic MS housing and yesterday, the plastic trigger.
These parts were replaced with a Wilson FL guide rod, 22# Wolff spring, Wilson Ultra Light match trigger, Wilson Commander style hammer and a steel Colt flat MS housing.
I've owned a lot of GMs over the years in various calibers. This DE is one of the most accurate out of the box that I've ever owned. I was considering a Bar-Sto bbl. for it but not now, the Colt OEM shoots just fine for now.
These parts were replaced with a Wilson FL guide rod, 22# Wolff spring, Wilson Ultra Light match trigger, Wilson Commander style hammer and a steel Colt flat MS housing.
I've owned a lot of GMs over the years in various calibers. This DE is one of the most accurate out of the box that I've ever owned. I was considering a Bar-Sto bbl. for it but not now, the Colt OEM shoots just fine for now.
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