I want a .22 rifle real bad.

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Actually this has been a very enlightening thread for me. I was looking hard at the 10/22 mostly because of the high capacity mags but now am leaning towards the 60.

The 60 with a scope would be just fine and along with a brick or two of ammo would be less than the 10/22.
 
The Marlin/Glenfield model 60 has came a long way since the past when they used to be jam-o-matics but the facts remain that the 10/22 is overall the most reliable .22 semiauto rifle ever designed. I've worked on model 60s numbering in the dozens over the years to even THINK about liking them. Also some people WILL neglect to make sure the model 60 is empty and chamber open before loading the tubular magazine. Sure the model 60 is fairly accurate out of box but however it shoots-you're stuck with. The 10/22 triggers are vastly better designed and extremely easy to improve. It cracks me up when I see people badmouthing 10/22s based on VERY limited experience. Try gaining experience with literally dozens of examples of both then come back and tell me how the model 60 is better. Until then, your opinion is worth exactly what it costs.:banghead:
 
Gee, I guess that we'll all just keep our fingers off of our keyboards until we've had as much experience with those platforms as you have, stalkingbear, and we'll accept that whichever criteria are important to you are the only valid grounds for our own decisions. :rolleyes:

We could also quit trying to learn by posting our limited data and requesting feedback. :scrutiny:

Or not. :cool:
 
I feel being a gunsmith for 27+ years DOES qualify me express what I've learned along the way! If you don't like what I feel necessary to share, don't look.
 
How many .22's are enough

I like my Remington Nylon 66. Got it when I was 10 ( 1974). It had been in the family since 196X. Not sure when. I grew up shooting that rifle. It is now at the gunsmith getting a re-coat of all the metal parts!

I have a Marlin bolt action( was my Dad's from the 30's, and a Mossberg Plinkster ( new).

I like them all. I have never had a single reliability problem and they are all minute of squirrel accurate. I also have some .22 pistols.

We will always argue about which is better. It is called competition and we humans thrive on it.

If a person were to go to walmart and buy a new .22, get the one on sale, and get as many magazines for the mag fed kind. If you buy a tube fed, just buy ammo.

A .22 will feed your family and protect your house.
 
10-22 has more aftermarket accessories than any 22 made, but if you want a good gun go for a Marlin 39a.
 
I would rather have a Marlin 39M than any other 22.
I have a 10/22 , a cheapy Sears bolt(My first gun) and a Marlin 39 Mountie.
The Mountie goes to the range the most.
 
.22s are just plain fun to shoot. Hard to argue with that.

I have 10/22s (full length and Chargers), 10/77s, marlins, ithicas, and CZs and have had good luck with all of them.

Once you have your fun with the autos, you should do yourself a favor and pick up a good bolt gun. I recommend a CZ 452 Lux (28.6" barrel). I picked mine up for *well* below MSRP, and for a factory stock firearm its accuracy is uncanny.

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Since when is tube fed a faster reload? It's not even remotely close.

Since they started making them. No way you can load a detachable mag as fast as I can load a tube fed. I'll tell you what. Get a video camera. Start with a detachable mag and a brick of ammo. See if you can load 14 rounds in under 25 seconds. Video your attempt. Post it on the net somewhere.

I didn't say reload the mag. And I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but when you reload your weapon, magazines are faster hands down. If you choose an antiquated design like a tube feed and then want to argue about faster reload times compared to a magazine fed weapon, you're going to lose every time.

Ok. I loaded and unloaded my 10/22 with a 25 second timer. I also did it with my Charger. Taking my sweet time, I was able to load (and unload) 225 rounds. That's about 2.5 seconds per reload for 25 rounds. I also tried the 10 round mags and came out to the same reload time.

I even took the 25 round mag and loaded 14 rounds 3 different times. 26, 22, and 23 seconds to load the magazine. So your point is invalid either way. And if I chose to use a magazine speed loader, the times would go down even further.


. And I don't agree that Rugers are accurate enough

I can tell you from experience that my bone-stock ruger would put rounds onto the missing child on the half-pint milk container from approx 150 yds +. This was from two different shooters, myself and the Marine who taught me to shoot, my father.

FYI, parts that bolt on also un-bolt, so I don't know who you know that "bucaroo bonsai'd" their 10/22, but point them towards Sear's tool department.

You then said something about you carrying around ammo in your pocket for a marlin vs. carrying around a brick of ammo which didn't really seem to make uch sense. Each .22 round weighs the same whether it is an individual round, part of 10, or part of a brick of .22 rounds.


I guess i'm not as close minded as some here. I have been lucky to have shot many modern popular .22 models and liked all of them. My 10/22 was my first rifle that was given me by my father when I was rather young. So I have a fondness for them, but I like many other guns as well. When someone asks about them, I don't try to bash every other gun out there, just letthem know what my experience has been. Hell, I even just purchase a couple of cheap .22s that were not rugers for my 5 and 6 y/o's and don't really have an issue with them either since they're serving their purpose and helping me teach my children about the fundamentals of shooting. I could have spent a few dollars more and purchased 10/22s but since i'm not a die-hard buy-only-this-or-the-world-will-fall-apart type, I chose what I thought would be a good tool for the job.


You really need to relax about your apparent dislike of the rugers. You would come across as more credible if you stick to pointing out the good aspects of your rifle and not making up things to bash other rifles about.

BTW, from what I could see in the video, it appears you have a nice rifle.
 
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You then said something about you carrying around ammo in your pocket for a marlin vs. carrying around a brick of ammo which didn't really seem to make much sense. Each .22 round weighs the same whether it is an individual round, part of 10, or part of a brick of .22 rounds.

I believe he was referring to a quantity of loaded magazines that it would require to carry a brick of ammo.
 
And like I said.. I'm thinking the Marlin. I'm just going to shoot this rifle with open sights, so it doesn't really matter to me that much how 'accurate' it is anyways.

Can it put a round into a rabbit at 25 yards?
Good enough.
 
If you like the Marlin, just get it. It's a good rifle and you won't regret it. I think there's enought info here to make a determination. If you haven't had the chance to shoulder one, I would suggest doing so before putting down the $$.

I know that when I go out shooting, I only carry what I plan on shooting and I know that others are the same way. So whether you have an external mag or a tube fed gun, the # of rounds you have won't change in weight. If I take 500 rounds of 9mm to the range, it won't matter if I brought 1 mag or 10 if what I have determined to shoot is 500 rounds. The number of rounds I carry isn't determined by how many mags I own or bring to the range.
His distaste for rugers oozed from every comment he made. And I don't think that any of them were valid points.

Good luck with your purchase though. I'm sure none of this will matter after you take the first shot. Have fun.
 
I love my 10/22. It was about $150 three years ago, Big 5 sale, $20 more than the marlin or remington they had. My hand liked her better. The others are probably great too. It is my favorite gun. If it would take large game it would be my ONLY GUN:)I think you cant go wrong with any of them. I would buy american, to support our economy, but that's a personal preference.
$10-$15 for 500 round and damn fun to shoot.
Have fun.

Speaking of accuracy my 12 year old son and I shoot spent 12 guage shells lined up on a 2x4 at 30 yards free standing, no bench.
I love that 10/22.
 
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And like I said.. I'm thinking the Marlin. I'm just going to shoot this rifle with open sights, so it doesn't really matter to me that much how 'accurate' it is anyways.

Can it put a round into a rabbit at 25 yards?
Good enough.

The marlin will serve you well. ;)
 
The Marlin that I have is a Model 795SS, a stainless, magazine -fed item. I prefer its looks and feel to the Model 60. The latter will hold more rounds,
but I've always been leary of the tubular magazine from a safety standpoint, and I don't like its looks.

With the M-795, one has a more handsome rifle, and it's easier to tell FOR SURE when it's unloaded.

The magazine holds enough ammo for defense, if need be, and certainly all that you'll need to pick off a squirrel, a bunny, or a snake. Spare magazines are available from Marlin, of course.

Lone Star
 
This thread seems to be coming down to a contest between two rifles the 10/22, and the model 60.

Maybe we should vote on them........................................uh, wait a min. we already have based on sales between the two, and the Marlin won two to one. :D
 
If it would take large game it would be my ONLY GUN
sh3rm4nt4nk, what you need is a Stevens 87D, it is a big game rifle (unless you hunt anything larger than a bull :neener: ) and built like a sherman tank. :D
 
This thread seems to be coming down to a contest between two rifles, the 10/22 and the Model 60

Sadl as it is, if you look at most of the 'gunshops' now that seems to be the major offerings for a new .22 semi-auto.
There is the Remington 597 which feel good in the hands and offers up some pretty decent sights but in actual use the feedback has been ho-hum both in terms of reliability and practical accuracy.

Taurus tried offering up their copy of the Winchester 63, again with similar results to the 597.

The Model 60 is no super tackdriver, and they can get finicky when dirty but customers like the fact that they can still be found, brand new, for under two hundred bucks and most of these buyers like plinking and hunting, they aren't looking for match grade accuracy and most are quite adept at keeping their guns clean and lubricated.

10/22 buyers love the fact the rifle is just as customizable as a 1911 handgun or an AR15 rifle.
This is an easy rifle to drop 500 bucks or better on if the buyer gets carried away and lots of folks love doing just that.
Shop owners love it too.
 
I've decided I can't justify the 10-22.
I'm working on a budget.
I only have $200 saved up, and I'm working on buying a reload kit soon.
I would really like a cheap, reliable .22. I would be willing to spend money on the Marlin. My dad has a clip-fed carbine from Marlin, and it is the gun I learned to shoot with. I cannot recall a time it has malfunctioned. I've had good experiences with it.
I would like to hear if anyone has had experience with the Mossberg 702 Plinkster.
 
It's been like three days since you decided you wanted a .22lr...and you still haven't bought one...what the h3!! is wrong with you? :neener: :D :neener:
 
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