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I dont have anywhere to put a bench. I am currently living with the in-laws and I wont be in my own home for at least another six months. I was down at the sports store and they had a few reloading starter kits, but all of them have a press that bolts into a table top. Where can I find a starter set that I can pack up and keep it in a closet and doesnt require me to have a designated bench for it. Do these exist? I want to reload .308 an .45 Colt. Thanks
 
There are still the old style hand reloading presses. They resemble a pair of pliers. A space saving trick is to mount the press to a sturdy board. Then you can mount the board to any table with C-clamps.
 
I mounted my old press to a 4-legged pine barstool - wish I had a pic. Anyway, it worked well for me and I could stick it in the closet until I needed it.
 
I used a Lee Challenger press attached to this reloading stand when living in an apartment. Actually I still use it even though I'm in a house just because I can move it and reload wherever I want. So long as you cut a piece of plywood or 2x4 to put on the underside to bolt the press to, there are no problems with the press pulling through the plastic as some have experienced.
It is a little wobbly compared to an actual bench but really not too bad, in my opinion. Better than having to use only a hand press. Before I found this stand I used the c-clamp method Majic mentions. Had the press bolted to a 2x4, which I then c-clamped to a table with another 2x4 on the underside so as not to mar the table. Certainly works well enough if you don't want to shell out for a stand.
 
Some reloaders mount their press to a short board, and then clamp the board to the kitchen table when they want to reload. When done, unclamp it and put it away.

Betcha money someone around here has a spiffy pic of just such a setup. I think there are some in previous threads, but it might take some digging to find 'em.
 
I have a shop, but it's hotter'n heck out there in the summer. So, I bought a portable work bench for about forty bucks at ACE hardware and mounted my press on a 2x10 and just C clamp it to the bench. I think a Black and Decker work mate would work really well for this and it folds flat.

When my daughter FINALLY moves the heck out of my house (did you see the movie "Failure to Launch"?:rolleyes: ) I plan to move my reloading stuff into her room, arrange everything orderly. Meantime, I just move the bench into the living room or kitchen when I want to crank out some ammo, nice air conditioned comfort. :D
 
I use a stand very similar to what Marnoot posted and I find it works pretty well. Obviously not as solid or as much work space as a full bench, but I can bring it inside when it is too hot be outside and reload in comfort.
 
Two suggestions: 1) get a Lee hand press, as said above it is basically like a pair of pliers and takes all regualr dies. It's no fast but works well, and is used by many who reload small batches at a range when working up loads. 2) If you have a Harbor Freight near you, they have Workmate folding work bench knock-offs for cheap, I bought 2 for $10 each when on sale. Mount your press, powder measure, etc to a 2x10 plank and then c clamp the board to the top of the folding bench. When you are done loading, unclamp the plank,fold up the bench, and store it away.
 
I bolted mine to a pine board that spans our kitchen table and I clamp it down on both ends. Works great.

-Jeff
 
I was looking at the Lee hand press tool. Would this be a good tool to start reloading with? Can you guys recomend a good inexpensive scale? Thanks
 
The Lee hand press kit.

It's hand held, very small, and very basic, and the ergonomics are a bit pessimal but you can reload with it. That and a Lee die set (get the Lee because they include a shell holder and powder dipper) will set you back somewhere in the neighborhood of $60 once your factor in shipping.

Full length resizing .308 cases will require some upper body strength, just to warn you. Handgun rounds are no problem at all.

It's a tool you'll keep around once you get your own place and better equipment. It's quite useful.

Can you guys recomend a good inexpensive scale?

Lee's Safety Scale is inexpensive (on the order of $20, I think). Mine is accurate. It is, however, limited to 100 grains total that it can weigh. Later on I picked up a Lyman branded Ohaus scale w/ a 500 grain capacity, which is much nicer.
 
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I pretty much did what Nelson is suggesting... then, after I realized I didn't need to fold it up, I just replaced the two pieces of crappy wood with some 1" plywood that was a little larger... set my press, and BAM!! nice little workstation, with enough room to keep the scale, powder, trays, bullets, etc... I usually sit in the livingroom while watching TV to measure and prime with several cleaned ice cream buckets... :cool: :rolleyes:
 
Found out many years ago, where there's a will, there's a way......Creeker

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LAH! You're drinking a soda while reloading? What's wrong with this picture?

And, I started out on the Lee. But man, it is labor/time intensive. And for a 308?

I have a Dillon Square Deal on a mini bench about 12 inches wide bolted to the wall on the inside of a closet. My tools I keep in a large multi compartmented fishing tackle box. It takes up minimal space and I just shut the door when I'm done.
 
You can buy one of the Black & Decker folding workmates.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0000302VO/104-3878880-7763168?v=glance&n=228013

or a cheaper clone. Get a short piece of 2X10 about 24" long and use deck screws to fasten a piece of 2X4 on end underneath it. Clamp the 2X4 into your workbench and mount your press to the 2x10. It needs to overhang the bench just enough to work. I first put a piece of plywood on mine than the board on top of it to give me a little room to work.

It is very secure and you can remove the board and stow everything in a closet or under a bed.
 

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While I am fortunate enough to have a Lee Classic press out in the garage, whicih I use for seating and crimping most of my rifle and pistol loads,but when it gets too hot in the garage (like from now until November here in sunny Houston, TX) I use it ALL the time, in order to be able to sit in the living room in the AC.to deprime pistol brass and flare pistol cases.
I would recommend that you start out simply, first by purchasing GOOD reloading manuals (such as the Sierra, and Speer loading manuals) a good hand press (such as the Lee), set of dies for each caliber that you choose to reload (make sure that you purchase a factory crimp die if you choose to load for any caliber that uses a taper crimp)a good Ohaus scale (such as the 10/10), Lee hand primer, Lee case trimmer, and go to Harbor Freight and get one of the 6" digital calipers (for ~$17.00) and and build your reloading supplies little by a little as you reload for different calibers and as your budget allows.
 
Mount a single stage press on the end of a board and "C" clamp the board to a bench or table. It can all be put away when not in use, and will move easily when you move to a new house.

45 Colt
1) Get the old primer out of the case, called depriming or decapping.
2) Make the case small enough in inside diameter to grip a bullet and small enough on the outside to fit in the chamber. This is called resizing.
Both steps 1) & 2) are usually accomplished in one step as the resizing die has a decapping pin. This will require:
a) Shell holder ~$3 Lee #11 shell holder or ~$5 RCBS #20 shell holder.

b) A resizing die. This die will probably be bought in a kit with one, two, or three other dies. In straight wall cartridges, carbide resizing dies are available at an extra cost. It is always worth the extra to get carbide. Adjust the die [how far to screw it into the press] per the instructions that come with the die set.
Lee 3 die set for 45 Colt; $21 steel, $23 carbide
RCBS 3 die set for 38 special: $36
c) A press. Lee Reloader press $20 is a real cheapee, but will always find a use. RCBS Rockchucker $90 is a workhorse of the highest quality.
3) Clean the case. This step can be done with a couple twists of the wrist with steel wool, or expensive vibrators. Later when you get more tools, you will clean the primer pocket, but it is not needed.
4) Re prime the case.
a) One can buy a priming tool and do it in 2 seconds or fumble with the primer built into RCBS presses and do it 10 seconds.
Lee Auto prime II $13, RCBS priming tool $26
The two tools I mentioned use the same shell holder as used above in resizing. Beware that Lee also sells another priming system ["Lee auto prime" not "Lee auto primer II"] that uses special shell holders. I would avoid that system to start.
b) One must also buy, beg, borrow, or steal new primers.
To buy them mail order, one would have to pay a Hazardous Materials charge [Haz Mat]. Small purchases would be too expensive. Usually 100 primers can be purchased for $1 or $2 at the local gun store. Primers come in combinations of being; magnum or standard, pistol or rifle, and large or small. For 38 special, small pistol primers are what is needed, and will work with standard or magnum, but most published loads with be with standard primers.
5) Fill the case with powder. This is called charging the case. For this one will need powder and a way to measure powder. With black powder, one just fills the case, but with smokeless powder too much powder will fit. Start out using smokeless powder and measuring it. The amount to use depends on the bullet that will be used. The amount is published in load books, or better still on powder manufacturer's web sites for free.
a) Buy powder. There is the Haz Mat problem again, so off to the neighborhood gunstore. Any "pistol powder" will do. Expect to pay ~$20 for a pound in a gunstore. I like Bullseye or Unique powder made by Alliant, but AA#2 or AA#5 work just as well made by Accurate Arms, or Winchester 231, or Hodgdon HS-6, or Vihtavuori 3N37, or IMR SR7625, or dozens of others.
b) Measure the powder. This can be done with cheap plastic measuring cups with handles from Lee, but I would start out weighing the powder. The weighing scales: Lee Perfect powder measure $20, RCBS Uniflow Powder measure $60 [this tool is really nice]
6) Install the bullet. This is called seating the bullet.
a) Buy bullets. For 45 Colt .452" bullets are normally used. You can buy lead bullets or lead bullets covered with copper called jacketed bullets. I would start out with jacketed bullets. These will cost you 5 to 15 cents each and usually bought in 100's.
b) The seating die should have come in the reloading die kit. Put it in the press and put the primed and charged case in the shell holder. Set the bullet on top of the case and raise the ram [push down on the press lever]
c) Measure the over all length of the cartridge [OAL]. This can be done with a ruler, but is best done with dial calipers. Expect to pay $20 for some Chinese calipers or $100 for American.
7) Crimp the case into the bullet. This means the case must pinch the bullet so hard that recoil will not yank the bullet out when other chambers of the revolver are fired [or so the bullet will not get shoved deeper into the case from recoil in magazine or tube fed cartridge]. The type of crimp depends on the type of cartridge. The rimmed 45 Colt case should be roll crimped. The rimless 9mm cartridge should be taper crimped. The crimping step can be done in one step with the bullet seating, but I would start out doing it in two separate steps. The two steps look the same [cartridge goes into seating die], but can be different in how the seating die is adjusted. Again, adjust the die [how far to screw it into the press] per the instructions that come with the die set and with the seating die, there is also the adjustment of the seating stem [knurled knob on top of the die].
8) Take notes when you shoot your handloads. Write on the targets. Things like "200 gr. bullets shot way low, but 250 gr. bullets were right on." will come in handy next time you sit down to reload or buy bullets.

>From the above it looks like it will cost $110 to get started.
 
Last year a job assignment had me away from home for 7 months. I brought some guns with me. I found out about a local bullseye league, so I joined and quickly found out I'd need to load 60 rounds of .45 acp to low target levels. All of my reloading stuff was 750 miles away. I didn't want to rebuy a bunch of dillon presses, etc.

So, I just bought a nice o-frame press off ebay, along with a powder measure. I bolted both to some scrap lumber and was able to a friend's workbench.

A couple of things:

The Lee Speed dies are cheap and work GREAT. The downside is that they won't work in a progressive press, if you decide to get one later. However, they're cheap and once adjusted you don't have to adjust them again, unlike regular dies.

Get a powder measure. The Lee dippers are NOT very repeatable, in my experience. You will get wildly variable ammo. Plus, dipping powder takes forever. The Lee Perfect Powder measure is great and only $20.

I have a Lee hand press and have used it a fair amount. While good for what it does, it just doesn't have the leverage for sustained reloading. (A good trick is to use it like a thighmaster for full length sizing) A Lee Challenger press, while not nearly as good as a Classic Cast press, will handle all of your reloading needs. It's also lightweight, in a good sense.

Get carbide dies for pistol use. Don't even think about steel dies. The pain in the rear factor of lubing pistol cases will quickly make you wish you spent the extra couple of bucks for a carbide set. The Lee Speed Dies are all carbide.

You'll need a scale. Any of those on the market will do.

All in all, you should be able to get a good reloading setup for about $80, if you shop around on the internet.

Good luck. Reloading is addictive. I find I don't save any money at all in reloading. I just shoot 4 times as much!

-John
 
And I usually have a cup of coffee or a soda at my loading bench too...Never have licked the side of the can where my lead infested fingers have touched the can or have I ever licked the finger ring of that coffee cup either. For all these years that I have been reloading I have never had elevated lead in my body. Just had a physical the other day...Lead deposits in my body seem to have settled in my butt only. Really I'm O K...I'm O K...O K..........:D Drink up LAH....Just don't lick your fingers...Yup...I'm...Aah...What was I saying???
 
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