wanting to get started need advice!

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Ok so im wanting to reload for quality not quantity or $ I will be reloading for bolt action rifles. I have seen lots of kits that say everything you need to get started and they run around $300 for the starter kit. But is lee better than RCBS and the other brands or should I piece it together instead of going with the kit?
 
Reloading for bolt actions is my favorite kind of reloading.

There are pros and cons to getting the a "kit". I bought a RCBS Rockchucker kit to get started and there is only a couple things in the kit that I don't use. I bought it from a guy who bought it and never used it and I got it at a great price so I wasn't worried about not using a couple things.

Experienced reloaders frequently like to mix and match stuff. For example I have dies from Redding and RCBS but all my lock rings have been replaced by Hornady rings. So the experienced reloader may tell you to not buy a kit, piece it out separately.

The problem with this approach is certain reloading items are a matter of taste and it's hard to know what you are going to want until you have some reloads under your belt.

If I lost all my equipment and had to start over again with nothing, I'd probably end up buying the RCBS Rockchucker kit again depending on price vs buying piece by piece.

The absolute minimum is press, dies, scale, calipers, brass prep tools (trim, chamfer, debur), methods to prime, etc.

Close behind those essentials for me is a powder throw, trickler, hand primer, comparator, tumbler, etc.

If you bought a kit, I don't think you'll regret it even if you eventually change some of the stuff you use.

As far as brands go, I believe all brands can allow you to load very accurate ammo. Preferences for brands will typically be based on perceived quality and features.

There are a lot of Lee fans out there, I just felt like the RCBS stuff felt nicer in the hand and looked better finished and was recommended by friends. I would hate to store all those red plastic die containers from Lee...on the other hand my RCBS and Redding die boxes stack neatly and efficiently...it's just personal preferences.

Hope that helps and good luck.
 
Dentite is wise

Thanks for asking our advice. Dentite is spot-on, so all I can do is expand on some of his points with some detail.

Kits are often assembled by marketing "geniuses". Fortunately, in the reloading arena, most of the manufacturers' marketing people also seem to actually know and use the products, so are fairly good for the customer. Remember, though, that what is a best selection varies according to the needs of the user. What is best for you is not the best for someone else. Best fit for your needs is what you are after.

There's the rub. How do you learn what you need to know to pick what is best for YOU? And how do you figure that out without buying a few mistakes in the beginning? Might as well get a kit?

A kit will get you started with ALMOST everything you need. They always lack something, though. They also have things you use, but will be unsatisfied with and trade in (at a loss, it goes without saying). So the savings in getting a kit is largely illusion. But it probably will get you started loading a little quicker and with less fuss than assembling your own kit.

A Kit will probably also have things you don't need at all, which is a waste of money. But does provide some trade goods.

Building your own kit MAY be a little more expensive, but carries with it the research (and knowledge gained therefrom) you do in selecting the equipment best for you.

How long is your foresight?

Let's start out by looking at the bare essentials.

These two, you cannot load without, physically. Press and dies.

Powder can be measured out by scoops, by scale or by a powder measure or a combination of those and it would be exceedingly foolish (or suicidal) to load without measuring your powder accurately and reliably.

So, count three items as absolutely essential. (press, dies, scale) Everything else adds safety, effectiveness/accuracy and speed. (e.g. safety - eye protection while loading; effectiveness/accuracy - calipers; Speed - powder measure). Most additional tools can be done without, improvised or substituted for (e.g. a lube pad: fingers, paper towel, or sponge can do, or spray lube can substitute).

The "more than are essential" items, though, are necessary for reasonable safety. A loading manual with load recipes and instructions of how to go about the process. A pair of safety glasses (just in case a primer goes off, which is rare, but can happen).

So, five things HIGHLY HIGHLY recommended, plus one extra.

A way to place primers in the priming cup on the press is a great help (rather than using your fingers) and will speed things up as well as reducing the chance that skin oils will contaminate the primers.

Six things and your are reasonably set up for everything you can expect.

Press
Dies
Scale
Primer handler of some kind
safety glasses
manual(s)

But there are always things you don't need to start with but will need or want later.

A bullet puller will enable you to disassemble any rounds you put together that are out of spec (or that you suspect might be). Loading blocks let you keep a batch of cartridges together conveniently. Micrometer will help measure things when you find that you want to measure something. Most store-bought bullets are the right size, so yo might not need the micrometer for a while.

As you load and develop your personal style, you will find more things you would like to have. Pick them up as you go.

How you populate your loading bench, and with what pieces of gear is largely, then, a matter of personal style. There are several different ways to approach your question.

1) Buy a ready-made kit.

2) Assemble a kit of your own, choosing as complete a kit as you can get, of premium gear you will never outgrow.

3) Assemble a "bare essential" minimal kit piece-by-piece with the components you expect you will never outgrow and expanding as you find need for each additional piece, slowly, and as money and knowledge allows.

4) Assemble a complete kit (of economy equipment) of your own choosing you know you will outgrow, by which time you will have figured out what you will never outgrow, then trade up to those pieces.

5) Assemble a minimal kit of your own choosing with the least expensive components and upgrade as your tastes reveal themselves and as money allows. Spend money for upgrades as your taste spurs you.


Each approach has its proponents. Each approach has its virtues and its drawbacks.


1 Store-bought "complete" kit. Swap out components as needed:
virtue: easy and requires little thought; gets you into production very quickly
drawback: can be wasteful, and requires little thought

2 Self-Assemble complete Kit:
virtue: requires you think about and learn loading BEFORE you commit money and body parts
drawback: requires a lot of study, and even so you may make less-than-optimal purchases

3 Slowly self-assemble premium components kit & add-on as you go
virtue: you learn about loading and your equipment thoroughly and only spend money as you are sure of what you are buying
drawback: takes more time (weeks, maybe before you are completely set up, though you can be loading the first weekend)

4 and 5 are variations on 2 and 3 and have much the same virtues and drawbacks.

The approaches I outlined should provide you some food for thought. What type of hobbyist are you? Are you analytical and thoughtful or do you jump right in and improvise as you go? Got more time than money, or more money than time?

My first advice: Read "The ABC's of Reloading", an excellent tome on the general processes of reloading.

Having said that, let me share with you some posts and threads I think you will enjoy. So get a large mug of coffee, tea, hot chocolate, whatever you keep on hand when you read and think and read through these.


The "sticky" thread at the top of TheHighRoad.com's reloading forum is good, entitled, "For the New Reloader: Thinking about Reloading; Equipment Basics -- READ THIS FIRST"
http://www.thehighroad.org//showthread.php?t=238214

The "sticky" thread at the top of TheFiringLine's reloading forum is good, entitled, "For the New Reloader: Equipment Basics -- READ THIS FIRST "
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230171

The first draft of my "10 Advices..." is on page 2 of this thread, about halfway down.
http://www.rugerforum.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=13543

http://www.rugerforum.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=22344

http://www.outdoorsdirectory.com/showthread.php?t=43055

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=448410

Thread entitled "Newby needs help."
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=430391
My post 11 is entitled "Here's my reloading setup, which I think you might want to model" November 21, 2010)
My post 13 is "10 Advices for the novice handloader" November 21, 2010)

http://www.Thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=439810

"Budget Beginning bench you will never outgrow for the novice handloader" was informed by my recent (July 2010) repopulation of my loading bench. It is what I would have done 35 years ago if I had known then what I know now.
http://www.rugerforum.net/reloading...you-will-never-outgrow-novice-handloader.html

Minimalist minimal (the seventh post down)
http://www.rugerforum.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=107332

It seems to me that with your attitude, you have the ability and will to study up, select carefully and build an ideal kit of your own pretty quickly.


Summary: Kit will get you into production faster. Building your own kit will get you into loading more thoughtfully. In a few weeks or months you will be at the same production level either way. I suspect, if you build your own kit, spending time thinking about your equipment selections you will be happier with your gear, have fewer trade-ins and perhaps produce better quality ammo.


Good luck,


Lost Sheep
 
huntinfool87
wanting to get started need advice!

Some insight from a newbie...

- Don't go nuts on the tools and gimmicks. You may not like reloading ammo. It is not for everyone. I probably wasted quite a bit of cash on crap that hasn't even been opened for use. Although I have a powder thrower, I still hand weigh each and every load because I like using a fast powder to get the most out of a LB of power. All you need are:

- press
- 4 die set
- hand primer
- digital scale
- funnel/measuring pan
- dipper(s)
- bullet puller
- loading blocks or in my case, reused 45 ACP ammo inserts
- cases for ammo or in my case, reused 38 Spl boxes/inserts
- small/tiny brass brushes (you probably already have it in your cleaning kit)
- tumbler or sonic cleaner is optional

I started with the Lee hand press kit. Even after getting a bench mounted press, I still use the hand press the most. I primarily load 38 Special and some 357 mag. They are supposedly the easiest cartridges to load. I do a lot of the prep work while watching TV. When I do the powder, everything is off.

You could probably start reloading with a tiny investment of say...$100 for the equipment. Bullets are pretty easy to locate. Good luck finding powder & primers, however. :)

I've made about 750 rounds of 38 in the last couple of months, all in my spare time while watching TV. It's actually pretty relaxing.
 
Reloading for quality, not economics, this is what got me started into this hobby more than 30 yrs. ago. My true calling has always been aimed at bottle neck / bolt actions.

IMHO, i would see if I could find a used RCBS Rock Chucker. Everything that wears the RCBS name is guaranteed for life whether you are the original owner or not. So even if you bought a press that needs some refurbishing, even though it's pretty hard to wear one out, RCBS will take care of you. My personal take on this is to stick with a single stage presses for precision bottle neck bolt gun stuff.

If I were to buy new in this day and age, I would probably buy the kit, and then just pick up the other odds and ends you'll need. One of the first places I would search for used presses and other odds and ends would be right here at THR, then LGS's, and other gun sites. There are a bunch of great folks here that will be able to sell you, or give you some of the items you'll be needing.

There are a number of tools that I buy made by Lee, simply because Lee does make a lot of good stuff, and at a much less expensive price, but I don't particularly care for their presses. I like the Lee case length gauge trimmer, it's very inexpensive, very precise, and can be adapted to a cordless drill, which makes it rather quick.

I like Lee handgun dies, but much prefer RCBS rifle dies, I think they are about $25-$30 each, I bought a set recently for $25 and also bought a set used here at THR for $20.

Harbor Frieght makes a decent stainless steel dial caliper, I think it's like $10-$15.

Buy a Harbor Freight tumbler and media, $40 or so, maybe less?

Case lube is so inexpensive regardless of the type or brand, just get the one that's the easiest to use IMO. I like Dillon spray on. An $8 bottle will handle a good 2k - 3K of brass.

RCBS makes good collet bullet pullers, $20 - $25, the collets for each caliber are $12. Or, you can buy the RCBS kinetic puller, they work great and only run about $12 - $15

I use an RCBS primer pocket cleaner, they don't wear out and are about $8 or $10. But there are plenty of other ways to knock the carbon out of a pocket that don't cost anything.

I prefer the RCBS scales, they are kind of spendy, but mine has lasted well over 35 yrs. and is still going strong. I think you would be looking at around $70-$80, don't know I haven't shopped for one in many moons.

You'll need a couple of loading trays, any brand is as good as the other for about $10 each. I bought mine used from a LGS 4 of them for $10.

Ream and chamfer tool. Get the rCBS or Wilson, same exact tool, one just has Wilson on it the other RCBS, mine has both names on it. But it used if you ca find it, new will probably run you around $20+ I think.

Buy a couple of good books, Speer has a great instructional format, but very limited data. Lyman 59th is worth it's weight in gold, a great book with lots of valuable data, and general information about various types of loading information.

I'm not a case gauge type of guy. I don't think I've ever owned one, as I have always used my specific chambers as my gauges, nothing is ever going to be more accurate for gauging your brass and seating depths, than the barrel / chamber you are loading for. It might take a few minutes more to do it this way, but in the end things will be to the exact specification of that chamber, IMHO.

I'm sure I probably missed some stuff, but others will be along to catch anything I missed.

Good luck and welcome to the hobby and THR.

GS
 
A kit is a great way to start. You can be reasonably sure everything will work to produce a loaded bullet. Once you learn how to load different calibers, then you could look into mixing and matching different dies, case trimmers, etc. I bought a Lee kit, inexpensive, good reputation. I've loaded thousands of hand gun ammo, just started loading 223, it all shoots. If money is no object, you have more options. I've heard lot's of good things about Dillon, I'd be leery of trying one, might like it too much. Kind of like trying out an Eotech red dot, I really want one now even though my cheaper one is working fine!
 
Just as a side note if you go the RCBS Rock Chucker Supreme Master Reloading Kit I got a flyer in the mail today from Cabels's. They have the kit on sale right now. The kit in the link is selling for Regular Price: $349.99, Sale Price: $279.99. Adding a single set of dies will get that up over $300 making it eledgible for the RCBS 2014 Rebate of $50. Anyway, something to consider along with all the great advice given already. Shop around but if you go RCBS keep the rebates in mind.

Ron
 
Hornady single stage, rcbs chargemaster, hornady or rcbs dies, lee factory crimp, ez trimit2 trimmer, stainless steel cleaner, hornady primer seater.
 
#1 - ask for advice and read reviews on any equipment you buy.

Make sure you get a manual and read the in and outs of reloading for safety (signs of overpressure and such).

As far as primary loading for rifles you should be good to go with a single stage press. I would prefer anything RCBS, but I have bought Lee items and have been more than satisfied.

My recommendation for items to initially purchase would be components (obviously), single stage press, tumbler, hand primer, beam scale (get a good one), trickler or powder drop, case trimmer, dies for the caliber, and a manual for loading.

Either way you slice it, make room somewhere 'cause you wont believe how much stuff you will have in a couple of years!! There are tons of resources on The High Road Here so, ask away. Everyone has helped me immensely.
 
Wow thank you guys im blown away at the support and info im looking at getting started with about $450 budget and as mentioned above cabelas has a sale on an rcbs kit I think im going to go that rout. Im sure I will have lots of questions in the future and its nice to know I can get answers here.
 
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