ICE arrests 2000+ illegals

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Just more smoke and mirrors.
This PR effort is more to preserve political futures than to protect the American public.:fire: :cuss:
 
Just heard on Faux News:

I wasn't paying full attention but just happened to hear these illegal aliens will be deported at a cost of $3,000 per person. So, who's doing this? A government contractor?

Sheesh, if it were up to me, I'd load them on uncleaned stock trailers for back haul. They can clean the cow kaka off after their return home...
 
I'd load them on uncleaned stock trailers for back haul.
NO! We can't do that, we'd be on the same path that Germany took under the National Socialists. Next thing you know, our government would be wanting all our phone call records, records of where we surf and email, teaching our children to spy on their parents and turn them in and coming into our houses to search under the faintest pretenses.... Oh, wait a moment. :uhoh:

This is a start, but the proof will be how long it goes on, how much it is expanded and how many illegals are deported for good.
 
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Idiots. Employers of the illegals should be assessed the fine of $3,000 per head. Why should the taxpayer foot the bill. Those who reap the benefit of employing illegal immigrants should be the ones who pay the penalty once caught. Fining employers the cost of deportation will without qualification put a dent in the problem.

Economics created the problem and economics will fix it.
 
I like the last take by Waitone best. While I'm all for rounding up and deporting illegal immigrants there are seemingly two options listed in this article (well three if you include catch and release)

Deport them at moderate expense. However that's also "moderately" effective at a very optimistic long shot - see first guy mentioned who already had been deported.

Imprison them at incredible expense. Even if you take as gospel the most wildly exaggerated screed about how much more illegals cost the government than they pay in taxes I guarantee you it's even more expensive to imprison the buggers. Effective I'll grant you - that particular illegal will not be on the streets any more, but a mind bogglingly inefficient answer.

Now sure some of the resident wingnuts here will suggest immediate execution or charging Mexico for them or some such but that's not how realpolitik works, nor would it ever be feasible to make it work that way unless we were willing to engage in military action with Mexico over it (which as well as being just a tad imperialistic and globally damaging to our interests would be even MORE expensive!)

The only answer that would be both feasible and effective, while also being at least somewhat efficient, is indeed to fine the employer. Despite the stereotypes, few illegals are on welfare since they generally don't want to draw the attention of the government to themselves and it's far more difficult to fake all the inof needed for an AFDC application than it is to overstay a visa or even cross a border. They gain income from somewhere even if it is cash, so let's say it goes like this:

Fed: Mr Illegal - you have a choce. 20 years in prison followed by deportation to a location of our choice, or take us to your employer and deportation now to a location of yours.

Mr Illegal: I'll take the second option please.

Fed: Mr Employer we have here Mr Illegal who works for you and has showed us paystubs (or we have seen you pay him today in our little sting we set up). IT costs $3000 to deport him and another $2000 on top of that for punitive damages and our enforcement costs. YOU have a choice. Write us a check for that $5K or YOU do, say 3 years hard labor first offense and 10yrs the second.

Mr Employer: Let me get my check book...... And damnit Doris HR person - start checking these documents when you sign up these guys will you?
 
Wouldn't really matter if headline was "ICE arrests 20,000,000 illegals"... you need to ask: HOW MANY WERE DEPORTED?

I wasn't paying full attention but just happened to hear these illegal aliens will be deported at a cost of $3,000 per person. So, who's doing this? A government contractor?

Have you guys taken a look at the laws governing immigration lately? Even after they were rewritten in 1996 to make it easier to deport illegal aliens, there is still a ton of paperwork and hoop-jumping that must be done to deport a single illegal alien - and that assumes that they don't get a lawyer and try to fight it.

The cost is probably $3,000 a person because of detention facilities, personnel and legal costs associated even with a pretty fast deportation.

I wouldn't be surprised if it took every lawyer ICE had to do the paperwork on just this one particular deal. Here is a good piece of investigative reporting on the subject:
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_4769341,00.html
 
Mopping the floor does no real good when there is a leaky pipe adding more water all the time. It is an exercise in futility. It is make-work for public consumption. It is all show.

First CLOSE THE BORDER. Shut off the leaky pipe. Then start bailing.

The "Deportation is just not practical..." excuse is just a cop-out. It definately will not work unless it has a begining (and an ultimate end state clearly envisioned). If you are not a born or naturalized citizen, or if you are not here on a current and legal visa, YOU GO HOME.
 
If you are not a born or naturalized citizen, or if you are not here on a current and legal visa, YOU GO HOME.

Well, if you'll go around and label all the ones that are not born here or a naturalized citizen it will sure make the process easier. It seems they all claim to be citizens when they get caught.

Here is a hypothetical for you. Kid is born in San Diego to a Mexican mother. Has a California birth certificate and is an American citizen. Kid goes to school in San Diego public schools; but lives with his mom in Tijuana until he is 15. All his life he is an American though. He graduates high school and goes to SDSU on a scholarship. Does well there and then turns 21 - this allows him to sponsor his mother for American citizenship. He submits all the documentation for the sponsorship including his birth certificate.

During the investigation, Immigration discovers evidence that the kid was really born in Tijuana and the mother paid an American to file a fradulent birth certificate in San Diego. So what would you do? Send mom back? Send him back? Does he get a hearing before he goes to refute the evidence and prove he is an American? How many hearings does he get? Is it in front of a court or just an immigration officer?

If I showed up at your house and said "Hey we discovered your birth certificate is fake and we are deporting you", what kind of procedure do you want to challenge that before you get shipped out? Now multiply that times the number of illegal aliens and you are starting to get an idea of the issues.
 
Fed: Mr Employer we have here Mr Illegal who works for you and has showed us paystubs (or we have seen you pay him today in our little sting we set up). IT costs $3000 to deport him and another $2000 on top of that for punitive damages and our enforcement costs. YOU have a choice. Write us a check for that $5K or YOU do, say 3 years hard labor first offense and 10yrs the second.

Mr Employer: Let me get my check book...... And damnit Doris HR person - start checking these documents when you sign up these guys will you?

Phase #1 - Amnesty (for the employer), turn in all your illegals within 90 days.

Phase #2 - Since there are 10+ million of them and 265+ million of us then we need to get involved...

National Turn-In-An-Illegal Month -- if you do you duty as a citizen you get a $1000 credit on this years income Tax.

But what Mr. Roberts says is true. 10 million cases will clog the courts for along time to come.
 
Either the law will "bend" or we will lose our society.

So we ditch due process for 12 million people and hope we get it right mostly? I'm thinking I must have misunderstood you since I can't imagine that you trust the government enough to let them deport 12 million people just on their say so. I know I don't trust them that much.

Click on some of those links and see what the current "streamlined" level of due process is. Where do you propose making cuts in that process to reduce it even more?
 
Where do you propose making cuts in that process to reduce it even more?
Interesting comment in light of
http://www.vdare.com/mann/060626_agenda.htm
Elites Want U.S.-Mexico Merger—Hence The Flaw In H.R. 4437

By Juan Mann

The focus of VDARE.com is on immigration and the National Question. It’s a noble endeavor, but I believe it represents only one component of a much greater problem.

The root of the evil: our apparent forced march toward a "comprehensive" New World Order of regional and ultimately global government, where nation-busting mass immigration is just one part of the process.

Though hardly a recent development, the excellent recent work by Jerome R. Corsi exposing the North American Union, the Amero currency, the NAFTA Superhighway—and its Texas highway segment which is already underway—leaves little doubt that the collectivist, internationalist agenda of America’s ruling elite continues full steam ahead whether the public likes it or not.

The late Dr. Sam Francis identified this danger.

Shortly after the Mohammedan jihadist attacks of September 11, 2001, Dr. Francis wrote that a "large bucket of cold reality has been splashed into my face" by a Chicago Council on Foreign Relations poll on elite vs. public attitudes concerning mass immigration. [10/24/02 - Poll Exposes Elite-Public Clash On Immigration]

Dr. Francis wrote:

"The [Summer 2002] poll shows that there is a vast gulf between the elite and the public at large on immigration, but more than anything it also shows that if the American majority that favors reducing mass immigration because they see it as a ‘critical threat’ to themselves and their nation really wants to meet that threat, then they must first remove from power the entire class of ‘leaders’ who are unable to perceive the dangers of immigration even when its dangerous consequences literally blow them out of their own skyscrapers."

Yes, America’s ruling class already knows that America is being transformed by massive legal and illegal immigration. And they reply: so what?

They want it that way. They made the decision long ago.

The made-for-TV conflict between dueling immigration bills (S. 2611 and H.R. 4437) illustrates that the wishes of the American people—not to be transformed in their nation and displaced out of their livelihoods—only go so far in influencing the will of Congress.

In the U.S. Senate, the mass immigration fix is in. But in the people’s House of Representatives, there is hope . . . well, at least a glimmer of hope.

But what should real immigration law enforcement fans be hoping for anyway?

As I have written before, one of the most critical components of the so-called "enforcement" provisions of H.R. 4437 is really a serious step backward for immigration law enforcement.

As I wrote in December, 2005:

H.R. 4437 undercuts the [Immigration Act Section 235(b) Expedited Removal] laws already on the books by scaling back the expedited removal authority granted (but never implemented) by Congress in 1996. The bill allows the summary removal of illegal aliens found within 100 miles of a land border within 14 days of entry. But in 1996 Congress previously authorized the removal of any [illegal] alien found anywhere in the U.S. within 2 years of entry!

So not only has there been a quiet rigging of the nationwide expedited removal provisions by successive administrations, but now the much-celebrated H.R. 4437 "enforcement" bill actually destroys the possibility of there ever being nationwide summary removal (outside of border areas).

And without the summary removal of illegal aliens—sending them packing without years of immigration litigation—there will be no real immigration law enforcement in this country . . . because no one will be leaving anytime soon.

But why would a so-called "enforcement" bill confine expedited removal only to the border? And why has absolutely no one in the Mainstream Media commented on the sabotage of Immigration Act Section 235(b) summary removal?

There must be some other agenda at work here.

As in the words of Dr. Francis, my keeping track of the expedited removal non-implementation has been my own "large bucket of cold reality . . . splashed into my face."

It has been seven months now since my rude awakening to the internationalist agenda, as evidenced by my comments here on VDARE.com—10/24/05 - Chertoff’s "Catch And Release" Trick Reveals Bush's Secret Agenda.

So just for the record . . . and to see if there is anyone out there listening . . . here again is my unified field theory of why American immigration law enforcement has been and will continue to be sacrificed on the altar of globalism, internationalism and collectivism.

As I wrote in October, 2005:

“Internationalists in the Bush and Clinton Administrations have decided to confine immigration enforcement only to the U.S. borderlands…until there’s no enforcement at all, because the U.S., Mexico and Canada will have been merged into one unit behind a new ‘North American security perimeter.’

“This shared Canada-U.S-Mexico ‘security perimeter’ is exactly what the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America has in mind for America someday.

“And wouldn’t you know . . . DHS Secretary Chertoff himself is a signer of the SPP’s report to leaders [PDF report] on the New ‘North American’ Order for Security and Prosperity Partnership.

“And the SPP just so happens to be a dead ringer for step numero uno toward goals outlined in the Building a North American Community report [PDF] by the ubiquitous Council on Foreign Relations (CFR).

“The Building a North American Community report was signed without dissent by the former chief immigration law enforcement officer of the U.S. — the Clinton Administration’s Immigration and Naturalization Service Commissioner — Doris M. Meissner.

“Read the reports side by side for yourself [SPP report] [CFR report] and find out what the internationalist cabal has planned for America.

“So who cares if there’s no interior immigration law enforcement in the United States, as long as there’s a ‘North American security perimeter’ in the works for what former California Governor Gray Davis called the ‘magnificent region’ that a merged U.S. and Mexico would comprise?"

Now . . . what can freedom-loving Americans do in the face of this intractable scourge of internationalism?

Answer: Go to your favorite House of Representatives "immigration town hall meeting" this summer. And after haranguing them about illegal alien amnesty, demand that they explain why is it that the so-called "enforcement" bill, H.R. 4437, eliminates the nationwide expedited removal of illegal aliens.

At least you’ll have some fun . . . and you’ll be the first on your block to quiz your elected representatives on how much they really know about immigration law.
So lemme see here. We get a senate bill which is an "in your face" piece of legislation if ever there was one. Bush blathers on about lazy 'Muricans and good-hearted Mexicans in his efforts to cheer on the senate. The house is supposed to have stood firm in the face of the president and the senate so much so that a noted right winger with all the right credentials puts out a compromise that all sides says has a good chance. Then when the blog-o-sphere gets a hold of it they find out the Pence compromise is actually worse than the senate bill. Thank goodness for the house standing firm . . . . . .until you read this little gem. There are times when paranoia is a perfectly respectable outlook on life.
 
So we ditch due process for 12 million people and hope we get it right mostly? I'm thinking I must have misunderstood you since I can't imagine that you trust the government enough to let them deport 12 million people just on their say so. I know I don't trust them that much.

I don't trust Government. I think this will be resolved extra-governmentally. Government CREATED this problem in complicity with sectors of the business community. I think both government and elements of the business community are discrediting themselves. I think it will be resolved by the people themselves--and at terrible cost to all of us.
 
H.R. 4437 undercuts the [Immigration Act Section 235(b) Expedited Removal] laws already on the books by scaling back the expedited removal authority granted (but never implemented) by Congress in 1996. The bill allows the summary removal of illegal aliens found within 100 miles of a land border within 14 days of entry. But in 1996 Congress previously authorized the removal of any [illegal] alien found anywhere in the U.S. within 2 years of entry!

I've got to say that even if you favor the status quo, that change in law is a really bad idea. The 1996 law is almost a necessity just to deal with the current legal issues. Cutting back the scope of it to 14 days makes it useless... even if we do catch them, they will argue it was 15 days and therefore they aren't subject to this type of removal. From an evidentiary standpoint, it adds a lot of doubt. And then the whole 100 miles from a land border thing... they should name this thing the "Immigration Lawyers Employment and Subsidy Act"
 
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