Can't.Think of the things you'd do with a handgun, and see if you can find a S&W in .357 that will fill the bill.
There is no S&W .357 that I would find comfortable to carry all day, that would meet my needs RE: capacity and shootability.
Can't.Think of the things you'd do with a handgun, and see if you can find a S&W in .357 that will fill the bill.
I would have to ask that... if S&W doesn't make a .357 Magnum to meet your needs of capacity and shoot-ability..... why are you on the revolver forum ?Can't.
There is no S&W .357 that I would find comfortable to carry all day, that would meet my needs RE: capacity and shootability.
You misquote me.I would have to ask that... if S&W doesn't make a .357 Magnum to meet your needs of capacity and shoot-ability..... why are you on the revolver forum ?
Can't.
There is no S&W .357 that I would find comfortable to carry all day, that would meet my needs RE: capacity and shootability.
Exactly--and Colt.Fortunately there's Kimber for when your semi's not a functional option
Right, but sometimes the other gun is a rifle. If you're talking about a handgun to replace a rifle, a .357 mag is pretty limited in that role. But if you use a handgun to supplement a rifle, a .357 mag is very capable, and conceivably Smith makes one which would do everything one might ask of a handgun as a supplement to a rifle.
Unless your KTM is an EXC 500. Guys in my desert racing club ride those via dirt and highway from So Cal to Colorado and back all the time. They’re no Gold Wing on the interstate, but then no Gold Wing would ride from Victorville to Vegas through the Mojave Preserve touching no pavement.
Again, like the EXC 500, no “one” gun can do it all the best... but some (In this case a mid-frame 4” .357/.38) can do an awful lot of what gunners want (and need) well.
Stay safe.
Yeah man. I love my 3" M65, but if it didn't serve me well, that's what I'd be trading it on!Exactly--and Colt.
You're right, and in the same line of thinking, my .357's all make poor pheasant/grouse/turkey/duck guns. My bad.No where in the OP was there any mention of a rifle, nor was there any talk about the revolver being a secondary firearm. The title is "Ideas on a S&W "do it all" gun." My idea is that there is no such thing, ...
Since you don’t know me, nor I you, I’ll let the “grasping at straws” comment pass.No where in the OP was there any mention of a rifle, nor was there any talk about the revolver being a secondary firearm. The title is "Ideas on a S&W "do it all" gun." My idea is that there is no such thing, at least not available at this time.
I owned a 530EXC-R. Don't try to kid a kidder. Great bike, and I would ride it the 30 miles one way to the ATV trails, and to the store for whatever would fit in a small backpack, but cross country? c'mon bro. Wasn't the best dirt bike I ever owned and was far from being a comfortable street ride. The issue, was the compromises. Tires for one. Good dirt/sand tires make for lousy road tires and enduro type tires ain't for crap in mud and sand. The headlight and tail-light are barely legal and make the bike actually dangerous at night, on the road with traffic. Like most off road bikes, the seat is not really meant to be sat on. Off road you spend most of the time on the pegs. The seat is there for when you are stopped. Maybe having a chase vehicle traveling with you you could go from Cali to Colorado, but with it's 2 gallon gas tank and no way to take anything else but what's on your back with you? You're vainly grasping at straws.
I have nuttin' wrong with any thing S&W or their revolvers. But, I have a 4" 686 along with a 5" and a 6". Would not even want to think about the 4" being my EDC. Nor is it the one I pick when I want to hunt with a .357. We are all entitled to our opinions. Some here think a 3" this or a 4" that is all they would ever want or need for a revolver, and that is fine. That's their honest opinion. Me, I don't like to compromise and I don't have to. That's why there is a Harley and a Honda in the garage right now. One for road and one for dirt. The best of both worlds without having to sacrifice or compromise what's important.
A "Do all handgun"...covers a hellofa lot of territory....and not all shooter's needs are the same, heck not many are even similar...that notwithstanding, I'll give it a try: here's my bono fide's...74 yrs old and live on a small KY farm, handgun shooter/competitor since 1964, two-tour combat vet with 5th Special Forces during the Vietnam years. Think of myself as a revolver guy but do own a bunch of bottom feeders.
My picks would be a mid-vintage S&W model 19 or 66. The latter making more sense for true outdoor work due to its relative rust-free construction. Either will do nicely though and I'd go with the 4" bbl. length as well. In that size, they're fairly easily concealed under a long loose t-shirt in the summer and most any fall, winter or spring attire. Four inch bbl's give you 33% more inter-sight distance over a 3" piece and offer greater accuracy and another 50-75 fps muzzle velocity too.
Weight: At ~38 oz., unloaded, a K-Frame Smith, so described, is a sag on the belt, but not excessively so. I've carried one for years that way, sometimes for 15-16 hours when necessary, and suffered no back pain, attributable. Too, that 38 oz's. is about as light as I want when faced with the considerable recoil generated by stout, full house 158 gr SWC loads. The weight, beyond the comfort factor, is a big part of the shooter's ability to get back on the sights for an accurate 2nd or 3rd shot when necessary. The heavier the gun the more pleasant it is to shoot, but the trade off is the shear weight of it for all-day carry. The weight factor is why I don't want a 586 or 686 Smith...they shoot heavy loads more comfortably but the belt sag is just too much for me.
Concealment: I've found that it's the grip length that's most difficult to hide/obscure for CC use. The bbl. length, within reason, is much easier....you just get used to dressing around the gun. In that regard, I universally carry with an OWB of my own make, which rides high on the waist at the 3:30 o'clock position...the old FBI carry spot. For vehicular carry, I slide the gun a bit farther fwd, allowing access when strapped in. Reasoning, I'm far more likely to face a threat when afoot than mounted. For those that feel a shorter bbl. is necessary, I'd offer this tip, for OWB holsters, try carrying at the 4 o'clock position, as you can hide the lower part of the holster/bbl. in your hip pocket!
Sights: Nothing but adj. will do as I shoot a variety of different loads, both here on the farm and when carrying in town. Heavy LSWC's for farm duty and lighter JHP's for defensive use if travelling. In 56 years of handgun carry, I've yet to wack adj. sights of Smith or Ruger out of alignment, and I've been thrown from horse back more times than I care to admit, been in two auto wrecks, launched myself over the handle bars on one noteworthy bike excursion...you get the idea. Adj. sights just make perfect sense for zeroing a variety of loads and allow a precise POI/POA at extended handgun ranges. YMMv but they work for me. My only wish is that they were available in tritium but also in the Baughman ramp style for night use.
Grips: The current Smith factory rubber ones (though supremely fugly), will do nicely. They allow a good secure combat grip yet do not catch on clothing when the piece is carried for CC use. Too, I've found they soak up heavy recoil better than any wood I've ever tried, (the old S&W 'coke bottle' variety a possible exception). While I've carried wood grips under a t-shirt and next to my skin, any checkering rubs be raw after a brief interval...the rubber ones do not.
Lastly, as the 19 and 66 are only available in .357, a pretty good all-around caliber for close in hunting or defensive use...and I'll point out that it's available in most any back country gen'l store, gas station or gun shop, where you can find a variety of loads to suit your purpose....from deer loads at 1400 fps to squirrel powder puffs down near 700...there's a load that will suit all....and I'd opine that it'll be available when most of the 9mm has been bought up when the manure is in the fan.
Here's a pair of mine, albeit without the rubber Smith stocks, and with my usual carry leather. The stocks on the M-66 are from Jerry Miculek...while great for DA quick work, they're a mite thin up near the top where the recoil is felt after a cpl of cylinder's full. The ones on the M-19 suffer from the same recoil issues but are so darned pretty that I often leave them on. But with target to medium velocity loads, either is comfortable for an afternoon of casual shooting.
HTH's & it's only one shooter's opinion...YMMv, Rod
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For everything from CCW to hunting, why not a 6" 686+?
So true. My factory bear load for 357 is the Federal loading with the 180gr Swift A Frame. NOT something I would want to shoot in a K frame Smith or old model 66 Taurus (basically a copy of a model 19). I recently got a Blackhawk for that.Hard to find a more attractive gun than that Model 19. My 19-4 is my EDC and essentially my "do-it-all" gun. I sure hope I never have to point it at an angry bear, though!
The 327 PC fits for me. 8 rounds, ~23 oz, short enough to carry OWB under a button up shirt, and a pretty nice trigger.Can't.
There is no S&W .357 that I would find comfortable to carry all day, that would meet my needs RE: capacity and shootability.
I owned a 530EXC-R. Don't try to kid a kidder. Great bike, and I would ride it the 30 miles one way to the ATV trails, and to the store for whatever would fit in a small backpack, but cross country? c'mon bro.
I am, we have put on 100 mile hare and hound races on in Johnson Valley, Red Mountain, Hodge Rd South towards Slash X and Barstow. (Ricky Brabec, the 2020 Dakar Rally Motorcycling winner, and AMA hall of famer Kurt Caselli (RIP) are alumni of our H&H events.) We also run two-day Dual Euro Scrambles, Single-day Desert Scrambles and we’re the presenting club for the NGPS series December race in Lake Havasu City, Az. Our local AMA District 37 guys race it all, you name it.Indeed? I used to ride a Suzuki SV650, which is far more street oriented, but I took several 1500+ mile round trips that involved hundreds of miles of dirt roads and trails. Fire roads through the Rockies, OHV trails in the Mojave. I would load all my camping gear on the bike and would ride into the National forests of New Mexico, Colorado, California, etc....and I was a piker compared to the guys who took bikes like mine, or Kawasaki KTM650s, up to the Arctic Circle or down to South America doing 1000s of miles of dirt, river crossings, etc.. I went on a ride with a group across a mountain plateau in Colorado where there was a 65+ year old guys who had ridden 2000+ miles to be there, on knobby tires, and he proceeded to to ride around on little trails like he was on 250cc dirt bike.
If this guy is from somewhere like some of the towns around Victorville where riding on dirt is a way of life, everything he said is entirely believable.
None of which gets around the fact that the closest you get to a “do it all” revolver is a big bore with handloads to let you approximate smaller guns. Wax bullets for a pseudo-rimfire, up to a magnum load for hunting. If this thread wasn’t S&W specific I’d say a Ruger Alaskan in .454 casull. There are states where it’s not legal for hunting, but even as a snub it can compete with longer barreled .44 magnums and it conceals about as well as a 1911.
S&W Governor, Larger Bore, shoots 45 Colt, very large, very light, also shoots shotgun shells;
that's as close to "doing it all", as I can get. Good for snakes, SD, all around shooter, which will also
fit in a large front pocket.