Identity and Date of Manufacture of S&W Revolvers
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How about a 45 acp S&W US Army model 1917 ser# 135021. Currently blued with diamond grips. Not the smooth ones I think it should have. Wheel gun is on the way to me so I cannot inspect it really close. It is US Property marked, with a flaming bomb. Not sure of any other markings. Grips appear to be old. But are the commercial type.
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Victory Model: Sometime between 1942 & September 1944. probably 1942 or early 1943.
Riss: per the Standard Catalog of S&W 169959 Model 1917 .45 Hand Ejector US Army revolvers were manufactured between September 171917 & January 1919 in the serial number range 1 to 169959. Production continued until 1946 & serial number 209791.
Commercial models had checkered diamond walnut grips. Magna grips were supplied after 1938.
If it is a US army gun it should have UNITED STATES PROPERTY stamped in the underside of the barrel & probably a us ordnance flaming bomb mark on the left side of the frame in front of the hammer. There may also be inspectors marks such as an eagles head and S1, S2, etc, with the Sx denoting a government inspector.
Riss: per the Standard Catalog of S&W 169959 Model 1917 .45 Hand Ejector US Army revolvers were manufactured between September 171917 & January 1919 in the serial number range 1 to 169959. Production continued until 1946 & serial number 209791.
Commercial models had checkered diamond walnut grips. Magna grips were supplied after 1938.
If it is a US army gun it should have UNITED STATES PROPERTY stamped in the underside of the barrel & probably a us ordnance flaming bomb mark on the left side of the frame in front of the hammer. There may also be inspectors marks such as an eagles head and S1, S2, etc, with the Sx denoting a government inspector.
Bekeart?
I have a S&W revolver that looks just like the Bekeart ones ive seen. Is there 22-32 target revolvers with the grip wider that the frame like the Bekearts?
Cal- 22lr
bbl-6 1/2 "
square butt
# 472xxx
six rounds
I have a S&W revolver that looks just like the Bekeart ones ive seen. Is there 22-32 target revolvers with the grip wider that the frame like the Bekearts?
Cal- 22lr
bbl-6 1/2 "
square butt
# 472xxx
six rounds
http://www.collectorsfirearms.com/admin/product_details.php?itemID=17154
This is what my revolver looks like.
This is what my revolver looks like.
fishinrusty: Bekeart guns are guns that actually shipped to Phil Bekeart in San Francisco who ordered the first run of that particular model in 1911.
In 1915 S&W cataloged the Bekeart model with minor changes to the rear sight elevation screw as the .22/32 Heavy Frame Target Model at around 160,000 in the .32 Hand Ejector serial number range.
These continued in production until 1941. Serial number 525,000 is reported in the Standard Catalog of S&W as being produced in 1935.
A factory letter (costs $50) from the S&W historian Roy Jinks will confirm whether your gun was shipped to Bekehart or to another dealer. Bekehart provenance may add to the collectors value.
In 1915 S&W cataloged the Bekeart model with minor changes to the rear sight elevation screw as the .22/32 Heavy Frame Target Model at around 160,000 in the .32 Hand Ejector serial number range.
These continued in production until 1941. Serial number 525,000 is reported in the Standard Catalog of S&W as being produced in 1935.
A factory letter (costs $50) from the S&W historian Roy Jinks will confirm whether your gun was shipped to Bekehart or to another dealer. Bekehart provenance may add to the collectors value.
thx
thx for the information radagast. On a side note, I bought this revolver a colt 25 auto vest pocket, and a pre war colt super 38 auto for $ 200 sight unseen from my mothers friend who was recently widowed. I felt guilty once I saw what I had but she assured me she was fine with the price and just wanted them out of the house. Everybody happy. All three are sweet shooters but well worn.
thx for the information radagast. On a side note, I bought this revolver a colt 25 auto vest pocket, and a pre war colt super 38 auto for $ 200 sight unseen from my mothers friend who was recently widowed. I felt guilty once I saw what I had but she assured me she was fine with the price and just wanted them out of the house. Everybody happy. All three are sweet shooters but well worn.
Can you tell me the DOB on this Smith & Wesson that is new to me?
a) .38 special
b) 4"
c) square butt
d) 6 shot
e) adjustable
f) 3k641xx
g) 67
thank you for your help.
a) .38 special
b) 4"
c) square butt
d) 6 shot
e) adjustable
f) 3k641xx
g) 67
thank you for your help.
strangelittleman
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I need help w/ this one:
Perfromance Center 625-6 V-Comp.
.45 ACP
4"bbl. w/ removable compensator
serial#112.
Also does anyone know how many of this lot were made?
Perfromance Center 625-6 V-Comp.
.45 ACP
4"bbl. w/ removable compensator
serial#112.
Also does anyone know how many of this lot were made?
strangelittleman: The 625-6 V-Comp was produced by the Performance Center for RSR Distributors in 1999. 4 inch slab sided barrel, unfluted cylinder, removable compensator, integral weaver base, red ramp front, micrometer rear, Hogue combat grips, shipped with a double combination lock aluminum case. MSRP was $925.00.
The Standard Catalog of S&W doesn't give the number manufactured. If you ask at www.smith-wessonforum.com I'm sure someone will know.
The Standard Catalog of S&W doesn't give the number manufactured. If you ask at www.smith-wessonforum.com I'm sure someone will know.
S&W .357 Shorty
I was just given the revolver. Yes, it was really given to me.
It will be carried by my wife for her hiking protection.
This revolver is in EXCELLENT condition with the exception of some very minor bluing discoloration from the tan holster (the barrel looks to have a slight brown cast to it on the right side, but no rust or pitting) absolutly no rust. The barrel is perfect. I will include some pics.
1st question - Will I lose any appreciable value by getting it re-blued by a professional refinisher?
2) Any history would be appreciated, approximate date of Mfg?
a) .357 mag
b) 2" I think, might be 1.5"
c) Square butt
d) six shot
e) target adjustable
f) K Frame, pinned barrel
g) Ser #8K86938
H) Model 19-3
3) There is a number on the cylinder hinge #17112
and a very faint stamping "B11" are these of any note or significance?
I really appreciate the help in getting to know these a little better.
Spirit Lake, ID
UP in Bear Country where the air is fresh and the sky is blue
S&W K-14 38 Special, XD 45acp,
Savage 110 30-06 bolt, Savage 325C 30-30 bolt
I was just given the revolver. Yes, it was really given to me.
It will be carried by my wife for her hiking protection.
This revolver is in EXCELLENT condition with the exception of some very minor bluing discoloration from the tan holster (the barrel looks to have a slight brown cast to it on the right side, but no rust or pitting) absolutly no rust. The barrel is perfect. I will include some pics.
1st question - Will I lose any appreciable value by getting it re-blued by a professional refinisher?
2) Any history would be appreciated, approximate date of Mfg?
a) .357 mag
b) 2" I think, might be 1.5"
c) Square butt
d) six shot
e) target adjustable
f) K Frame, pinned barrel
g) Ser #8K86938
H) Model 19-3
3) There is a number on the cylinder hinge #17112
and a very faint stamping "B11" are these of any note or significance?
I really appreciate the help in getting to know these a little better.
Spirit Lake, ID
UP in Bear Country where the air is fresh and the sky is blue
S&W K-14 38 Special, XD 45acp,
Savage 110 30-06 bolt, Savage 325C 30-30 bolt
Attachments
You have a model 19-3 with 2.5 inch barrel, the barrel length is measured from the forcing cone (cylinder end) to the muzzle.
Built on the Medium sized K frame which was originally designed around the .38 special, a constant diet of light weight .357 magnums (110 grain or 125 grain) may lead to flame cutting of the top strap at the cylinder gap or cracking of the forcing cone (look at the cone, it is partially undercut at the bottom, this is a week point). Standard .38 specials, .38 special plus P or 158 grain .357 magnums should not harm it, it's the high velocity, high pressure light rounds slamming into the cone that do the damage.
The model 19 Combat Magnum was introduced in 1955 at the request of Bill Jordan, a noted border patrol agent and gun writer of the time. it continued in production until 1999. Your particvular example was manufactured in 1975 and has the desirable to collectors Pinned Barrel and recessed cylinder face to enclose the rims of the cartridges.
Rebluing the gun will destroy it's value to a collector, in excellent condition these tend to go for around the $500 mark at the moment, although some sell cheaper and others higher. To a shooter the reblue probably won't mean much, if they are looking for a new gun they would buy a new gun.
The other numbers are fairly irrelevant, they are 'assembly numbers' used to keep track of fitted parts as the incomplete gun moves around the factory.
Built on the Medium sized K frame which was originally designed around the .38 special, a constant diet of light weight .357 magnums (110 grain or 125 grain) may lead to flame cutting of the top strap at the cylinder gap or cracking of the forcing cone (look at the cone, it is partially undercut at the bottom, this is a week point). Standard .38 specials, .38 special plus P or 158 grain .357 magnums should not harm it, it's the high velocity, high pressure light rounds slamming into the cone that do the damage.
The model 19 Combat Magnum was introduced in 1955 at the request of Bill Jordan, a noted border patrol agent and gun writer of the time. it continued in production until 1999. Your particvular example was manufactured in 1975 and has the desirable to collectors Pinned Barrel and recessed cylinder face to enclose the rims of the cartridges.
Rebluing the gun will destroy it's value to a collector, in excellent condition these tend to go for around the $500 mark at the moment, although some sell cheaper and others higher. To a shooter the reblue probably won't mean much, if they are looking for a new gun they would buy a new gun.
The other numbers are fairly irrelevant, they are 'assembly numbers' used to keep track of fitted parts as the incomplete gun moves around the factory.
smith&wesson .38 spl
4 inch barrel,6 shot3 patent #sfeb,6 06 ,sept 14, 09 dec 14 09 4in barrel,side of barrel smith&wesson 38 special ctg.serialo number at bottom of grip 882999,same serial number on inside of cylinder.
4 inch barrel,6 shot3 patent #sfeb,6 06 ,sept 14, 09 dec 14 09 4in barrel,side of barrel smith&wesson 38 special ctg.serialo number at bottom of grip 882999,same serial number on inside of cylinder.
hk lover: You have a S&W .38 Military & Police model of 1905, 4th change. Probably made between 1940 & 1942. Basically it's the predecessor to the Model 10. When the serial number range hit 1000000 in 1942 they started back over again at V1, and called it the Victory Model.
a) caliber - .357 Magnum
b) bbl length - 4"
c) grips shape -square
d) number of shots/cylinder bores - 6
e) type of sights - Adj.
f) serial number, S202592
g) Model number - MOD-28
b) bbl length - 4"
c) grips shape -square
d) number of shots/cylinder bores - 6
e) type of sights - Adj.
f) serial number, S202592
g) Model number - MOD-28
a) caliber - .38 Secial
b) bbl length - 2"
c) grips shape - square
d) number of shots - 5
e) type of sights - fixed
f) serial number - AFM4563
g) Model number - MOD-38
b) bbl length - 2"
c) grips shape - square
d) number of shots - 5
e) type of sights - fixed
f) serial number - AFM4563
g) Model number - MOD-38
1959-60 vintage Model 28 Highway Patrolman.
An econemy version of the Model 27 .357 Magnum. Less well finished with a mat blue. No checkering on the top-strap or rib.
The Model 38 Bodyguard Airweight serial number was made between 1986 - 2004. Can't pin it down any closer with my book.
BTW: If it's a Model 38, it holds 5 not 6 shells.
Better count the holes again!
rc
An econemy version of the Model 27 .357 Magnum. Less well finished with a mat blue. No checkering on the top-strap or rib.
The Model 38 Bodyguard Airweight serial number was made between 1986 - 2004. Can't pin it down any closer with my book.
BTW: If it's a Model 38, it holds 5 not 6 shells.
Better count the holes again!
rc
a) caliber - .357 Magnum
b) bbl length - 4"
c) grips shape - Square
d) number of shots - 6
f) serial number - 63K9113
g) Model number - 19-4
b) bbl length - 4"
c) grips shape - Square
d) number of shots - 6
f) serial number - 63K9113
g) Model number - 19-4
Thanks for that - very helpful.
I was bit by copy/paste - the bodyguard has 5 holes.
The Hwy Patrolman has ribbing on the top strap and back of the grip. They sure don't make them like that anymore - good and bad.
Best trigger I own and heaviest pistol by far.
I was bit by copy/paste - the bodyguard has 5 holes.
The Hwy Patrolman has ribbing on the top strap and back of the grip. They sure don't make them like that anymore - good and bad.
Best trigger I own and heaviest pistol by far.
unknown
s&w 4 inch barrel 38 spl5 screw serial s 882999 6 shot pinned barrel,any help please revolver handed down from my uncle from his father now belongs to me
s&w 4 inch barrel 38 spl5 screw serial s 882999 6 shot pinned barrel,any help please revolver handed down from my uncle from his father now belongs to me
