Radagast
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Content: Thanks for that info.
halfded: Grips, front sight and ejector rod identify your gun as a post war model.
halfded: Grips, front sight and ejector rod identify your gun as a post war model.
Identity and Date of Manufacture of S&W Revolvers
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Radagast
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S&W do not recommend use of Plus P ammunition in any firearm made before 1957. The accepted wisdom on gun boards is that a limited use of PlusP for familiarization is acceptable, but otherwise all practice should be with standard velocity ammunition.
My personal viewpoint is that if you can't train intensively with it then don't bother with it at all. The sights on your gun should be regulated to hit point of aim with 158 grain round nose lead, so for range shooting I would use that load, or 148 grain wadcutters, which will have a similar point of impact. For self defence I would look at a standard velocity hollowpoint such as the Nyclad.
Ps yes, made between `1948 & 1951.
My personal viewpoint is that if you can't train intensively with it then don't bother with it at all. The sights on your gun should be regulated to hit point of aim with 158 grain round nose lead, so for range shooting I would use that load, or 148 grain wadcutters, which will have a similar point of impact. For self defence I would look at a standard velocity hollowpoint such as the Nyclad.
Ps yes, made between `1948 & 1951.
Radagast
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Oyeboten, Saxon Pig or Oro can probably give you a better idea of pricing. I'm on the other side of the planet, so I am not current on American prices. In 2006 the Standard Catalog of S&W gave a value of $265 in very good condition. From discussions on this forum I would guess that the current price range would be between $280 & $350, depending on your location.
Re: halfded's older 'C' Series M&P -
I'm trying to remember when the 'clipped' Front Sight shape was introduced...and I did not think it was that early.
So, possibly, either some one filed/re-shaped the erstwhile 'Round' Front Sight...or, the Revolver was re-barrelled, using a newer very late pre-Model 10, or, generall later Model 10 Barrel.
There should be a Serial Number located on the flat, beneath the Ejector Rod, on the underside of the Barrel, should match the Serial Number on the Butt.
But then one could add it to a re-barrel when using a New Barrel from S&W, so...it's not definitive...
Hard to tell if Blue is original in photos...
(Far as factors effecing value...)
I'm trying to remember when the 'clipped' Front Sight shape was introduced...and I did not think it was that early.
So, possibly, either some one filed/re-shaped the erstwhile 'Round' Front Sight...or, the Revolver was re-barrelled, using a newer very late pre-Model 10, or, generall later Model 10 Barrel.
There should be a Serial Number located on the flat, beneath the Ejector Rod, on the underside of the Barrel, should match the Serial Number on the Butt.
But then one could add it to a re-barrel when using a New Barrel from S&W, so...it's not definitive...
Hard to tell if Blue is original in photos...
(Far as factors effecing value...)
Radagast
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The illustration in SCSW III for the post war M&P shows two C prefix guns, one with the clipped front sight.
bluing looks original..got a little bit of holster wear on the muzzle and around the front of the cylinder. The back edge of the butt and grip are worn a little too. Almost like where an officer would rest his hand..Cool gun with some history nonetheless.
Just checked under the ejector. Numbers match.
Thanks for the info!
Just checked under the ejector. Numbers match.
Thanks for the info!
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Joistman
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Newbie here. I would appreciate any information you could provide for this gun:
a) 38 S.&W. Special CTG
b) 4"
c) Square grip
d) 6
e) Fixed (groove at rear, "half moon" (?) @ muzzle)
f) On the butt: 10D62** (the seller accidentally recorded the s/n as 10062**)
g) Under crane: E10 , under that 6676X (the last digit is an "X")
It was represented as a Model 10-7. I purchased it for $325 and in very good condition. In your opinion was that a deal, a fair price or did I overpay?
Thanks for your help
a) 38 S.&W. Special CTG
b) 4"
c) Square grip
d) 6
e) Fixed (groove at rear, "half moon" (?) @ muzzle)
f) On the butt: 10D62** (the seller accidentally recorded the s/n as 10062**)
g) Under crane: E10 , under that 6676X (the last digit is an "X")
It was represented as a Model 10-7. I purchased it for $325 and in very good condition. In your opinion was that a deal, a fair price or did I overpay?
Thanks for your help
Radagast
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Joistman: Model 10 was made in 1982. The 10-7 was produced from 1977 to 1988. The last of pinned barrel versions was produced in that year, so yours may or may not have that feature.
In 2006 the Standard Catalog of S&W gave a value of $275 in excellent condition. From comments posted on this forum over the last year I would say you paid towards the high end of the current price range, but not excessively so.
The serial number is 10Dxxxx, the rest of the numbers are assembly number used to track parts in the factory and no longer relevant after the gun is assembled.
The model number should be stamped on the frame under the yoke (cylinder hinge).
skoro: Nice find! Your model 18 K22 Combat Masterpiece was made in 1958. The front sight should be a ramp type. My 1977 vintage Model 18-3 is fast becoming my favourite firearm.
In 2006 the Standard Catalog of S&W gave a value of $275 in excellent condition. From comments posted on this forum over the last year I would say you paid towards the high end of the current price range, but not excessively so.
The serial number is 10Dxxxx, the rest of the numbers are assembly number used to track parts in the factory and no longer relevant after the gun is assembled.
The model number should be stamped on the frame under the yoke (cylinder hinge).
skoro: Nice find! Your model 18 K22 Combat Masterpiece was made in 1958. The front sight should be a ramp type. My 1977 vintage Model 18-3 is fast becoming my favourite firearm.
Joistman
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Thanks RAD
I have a new one
a) caliber (357 magnum)
b) bbl length (from cylinder to muzzle) (6")
c) grips shape (round or square) (original grips not on gun)
d) number of shots/cylinder bores (6 shot)
e) type of sights. (adjustable target sights on rear)
f) serial number, and if there is a letter in front of or anywhere near the s/n on the bottom of the grip ( S187572 )
g) Model number if it is under the crane. Model 27
That number, if it is the s/n, should come from the butt of the grip (or under the barrel or face of the cylinder).
thanks for any information...
a) caliber (357 magnum)
b) bbl length (from cylinder to muzzle) (6")
c) grips shape (round or square) (original grips not on gun)
d) number of shots/cylinder bores (6 shot)
e) type of sights. (adjustable target sights on rear)
f) serial number, and if there is a letter in front of or anywhere near the s/n on the bottom of the grip ( S187572 )
g) Model number if it is under the crane. Model 27
That number, if it is the s/n, should come from the butt of the grip (or under the barrel or face of the cylinder).
thanks for any information...
Radagast
Member
KD: The 66-5 was produced from 1998 to 2002. It was the last model before the introduction of the internal lock and the first with Metal Injection Molded parts, such as the hammer and trigger. Per the Standard Catalog of S&W your gun should have shipped in or around January 1998. I can't help you with when the custom work was done by Wilson Combat.
Radagast
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Ian's Dad: Your Model 27 dates to the period 1958 to 1959 ( Serial range S182000 to S194499. Before that it was simply known as the .357 Magnum. The original grips would have been Walnut Magna grips with a S&W emblem and an uncheckered diamond around the grip screws. In Very good condition the Standard Catalog of S&W gave a value of $475 in 2006. Lack of the factory grips may hurt it's value, but Early N frames have quite a bit of collectors interest these days. The original .357 Registered magnums can easily reach four figures.
Phydeaux642
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I just put money down on another S&W model 36 today. I rarely see any old Smiths worth the money in my area any more, so, I went ahead and jumped on this one. No box or papers with Pachmayr grips for $375. It looks like it hasn't seen much use at all. I can trace the date to somewhere between 1962-1969 by the serial number which is 437xxx. I'm guessing around 1967. Can anyone get closer? It doesn't really matter, but I'm just curious.
Radagast
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Phydeaux642: The only data I can give you is if it has a flat latch (cylinder release) then it is from 1966 or earlier. Curved/ dished latch then from 1966 or later. The original grips would have helped date it as well.
trex1310
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M27
I was able to acquire a S&W M27-2, 6", 3T's, 6 shot, adj.sights,
serial # N462XXX. Any information would be appreciated. Thanks
in advance. Oh yeah, I forgot to add its unfired with box and papers.
I was able to acquire a S&W M27-2, 6", 3T's, 6 shot, adj.sights,
serial # N462XXX. Any information would be appreciated. Thanks
in advance. Oh yeah, I forgot to add its unfired with box and papers.
Radagast
Member
Trex1310: Your model 27 was made in 1977-1978. It should be a model 27-2. In 2006 The Standard Catalog of S&W gave a value of $750 for as new in box.
In 1975 the target trigger, hammer and grips, along with the partridge front sight and case were introduced as standard features on the six and 8&3/8 inch barrel guns. The 27-2 was manufactured from 1961 to 1982, when the pinned and recessed barrel was deleted.
From it's introduction as the Registered Magnum in 1935, the N frame blued steel .357 magnum remained in production until 1994, with a break for WWII. It has been produced on and off since then in special runs.
In 1975 the target trigger, hammer and grips, along with the partridge front sight and case were introduced as standard features on the six and 8&3/8 inch barrel guns. The 27-2 was manufactured from 1961 to 1982, when the pinned and recessed barrel was deleted.
From it's introduction as the Registered Magnum in 1935, the N frame blued steel .357 magnum remained in production until 1994, with a break for WWII. It has been produced on and off since then in special runs.
zxcvbob
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4th model Safety Hammerless in .38 S&W with 3 1/4" barrel. Serial number 126490. (I don't actually own it yet, I'm bidding on it in an auction.) Thanks.
