Idiots like this give the press more anti ammo

[jnyork]

What rbernie said, the booking photos tell the whole story.

 

[ShadyScott999]

I bet the tooth to tattoo ratio is about 1:1 here. I hope they ARE charged with Murder.

 

[RP88]

the sign is gonna have him sent to prison for a long time, and rightly so.

 

[kyo]

they should be shot with their own shotgun. stupid ___ hicks shooting anything that moves because they feel "jusdifyed" about it. I hope they both die a slow painful death.

 

[Schleprok62]

Wow... this is tragic... And the worst of it is that MOST respectible gun-owners, hope we never find ourselves in a situation where we need to use that kind of force... I, at least hope I never need to go to that extreme.

Should the charge be upped? Absolutely... for both of them... especially her, for taking the first shot... and then handing the shotgun off to the other...

Just plain assinine....


Cheers...

 

[alexanderplatz]

I can't get over what a sad story this is. As a parent I my heart goes out to the family. It would be so horrible to have a child die for any reason, but to have it happen as a result of a senseless attack like this is must be beyond comprehension.

The shooters look like they just crawled out from the paleolithic epoch.

 

[vicdotcom]

This is a completley tragic and preventable situation. I can not even imagine how the parents feel at this point. My condolences go out to them.

But could you imagine the backlash if it would have happened with an AR or AK style platform?

 

[Kleanbore]

I am under the impression that you can shoot trespassers on your property while in Texas.

As TexasRifleman said quite well, no. Absolutely not.

I won't ask where you got that erroneous impression. What is important is that everyone understand his or her state laws before doing something stupid and illegal when encountering a trespasser.

In most states, the lawful thing to do when encountering a trespasser is to ask him to leave. In some states, if the trespasser refuses to leave, one's only recourse is to notify the authorities. And in some states, what the authorities will do is issue a citation, while in others, they may be empowered to make an arrest.

"Holding" a trespasser is unlawful in most places; after all, the trespasser is where he should not be, and keeping him from leaving is inconsistent with the intent of the law. It also can create a lot of legal risk for the property owner.

These things vary greatly by state, and within states, there are different kinds of trespass.

Before anyone ventures out with a gun to deal with a trespasser, he darn well better know what he can and cannot lawfully do in his state. I personally would not rely on applying dictionary definitions to the wording in the statutes without having a legal opinion based on the laws in the context of the rest of the code and on legal precedent. And I wouldn't rely on verbal advice from the sheriff. I've heard altogether too many people say "a policeman once told me...".

These "ranchers" in Texas obviously didn't have a clue.

No, shooting trespassers isn't legal in Texas, as these people will find out, and it isn't legal anywhere else in this country, for that matter.

Do not rely on any of the above as legal advice. Seek your own. But please don't anyone do anything stupid. It won't help the rest of us at all.

 

[2RCO]

Bishop said the area includes a dirt road, trees and overgrown brush and that it wasn't uncommon for people to go off-roading there. The Houston Chronicle reported that a sign in front of the suspects' home reads: "Trespassers will be shot. Survivers will be reshot!! Smile I will."

Liberty County Chief Deputy Ken DeFoor said Sheila Muhs fired a 12-gauge shotgun once, then handed it to her husband, who also fired once.

DeFoor said Sheila Muhs then called 911 and told the dispatcher: "They're out here tearing up the levee, so I shot them."

DeFoor said the levee belonged to the subdivision and was not private property.

If someone breaks in your house at night and you "accidentally kill them" that is one thing and I can see that as a righteous kill. If they are 4 wheeling on property that does not even belong to you and you shoot them--You should never have been allowed to own a gun.

These Numbtards weren't protecting their property they were just looking for a reason to kill someone. IMHO if this story is accurately reported they should get the firing squad themselves.

It's sad that a Kid had to die because of 2 over the top idiots.

 

[2RCO]

The Perps


Their Pad

It's also great that these pics are from a British newspaper's website.

Thanks to these folks for making American Gunowners look like Inbred Creatons.

 

[noskilz]

It should be stressed that these maggots were not even protecting their property, and as far as I can tell, there was NO TRESPASSING going on. There were two cars parked just off the County Road - obviously public land - and these mutants opened fire on them without provocation. I have read nothing of any ATV's or off-road vehicles being involved.

Unfortunately, I'm embarrassed this is a local story.

 

[kyle1974]

friggen trash....

the so called "trespassers" weren't even on the shooter's property. They were on a levee that was property of either the county or the state.

I hope they hang them both. Literally

 

[noskilz]

More details from the local fishwrap:

Nelton said the ordeal happened over two or three minutes in “pitch darkness.”

She said she was driving a sport utility vehicle with the boy’s mother, Becky Coffey. Two of the women’s children, including Destiny, were in the back.

Driving alongside them in a Jeep were Cammack, the elder Coffey, “Little Donald” and Cammack’s son.

The men stopped to use the bathroom and got out of the Jeep near the Muhses’ home in the Westlake subdivision south of Dayton when a woman’s voice boomed through the darkness, Nelton said.

In a message peppered with expletives, she said, the voice ordered the group to get their vehicles off the property.

“And then I heard a shot and our windows were blown out,” Nelton said.

Nelton, who never saw a shooter, said she immediately stomped on the gas and screamed, “We’ve got kids in this vehicle! Y’all need to stop shooting!”

A second shot, and possibly others, came in reply.

Can you believe these mutants are only 45 yrs. old!

 

[Gamera]

"Reshot" isn't even a word!

 

[ShadyScott999]

Can you believe these mutants are only 45 yrs. old!

Takes us back to the meth post.

 

[highbrass]

What a tragic story, sad and shocking. I hope those creeps are punished to the fullest extent of the law.

 

[blkbrd666]

Geez Us!!! They only needed to shine a Maglight on their faces and it would pretty much put anyone on the run! If they had lived in GA, they could have been extras in Deliverance.

 

[rbernie]

Let's keep it on The High Road, folks. Name calling (even of these two) is disallowed, and wishing 'frontier justice' upon them is likewise discouraged.

I've deleted a few eggregious posts; let's discuss this without needing any more cleanup, ok?

 

[flrfh213]

from post 35... If someone breaks in your house at night and you "accidentally kill them" that is one thing and I can see that as a righteous kill. If they are 4 wheeling on property that does not even belong to you and you shoot them--You should never have been allowed to own a gun

if someone is in my home past the locked door, dog and alarm it will be no accident that they stop breathing... but i hope it never comes to that... outside stuff i can replace in time but my family i will do what i must to protect... even kill IN my own home if it comes down to it...

 

[2RCO]

flrfh213 --If they break in here they'll have to deal with an angry dog and angrier + well armed owner.

 

[divemedic]

Idiots like this give the press more anti ammo

I get tired of that statement. Like every gun incident is somehow owned by gun owners. Why don't we see this posted every time there is a robbery or drive-by shooting?

 

[bdickens]

I quite agree. What this really does is give a bad name to inbred white trash.

 

[Maelstrom]

Oh me oh my. If my eyes don't deceive me I do believe that's a trailer they live in.

Never in a million years did I make that assumption prior to seeing the picture.

 

[GRAYRID3R]

Quote:
Idiots like this give the press more anti ammo

I get tired of that statement. Like every gun incident is somehow owned by gun owners. Why don't we see this posted every time there is a robbery or drive-by shooting?

Maybe I should have titled the thread " This is why guns should be illegal in this country"

I don't understand your statement. Just look at the way the British news reported this tragedy. If you don't think the mainstream media is going to demonize gun owners in general for this incident you are kidding yourself. My title intended to provoke a feeling of disgust over the tragedy as well as an awareness of how we as responsible gun owners need to out weigh the moron gun owners.

 

[zminer]

Idiots like this give the press more anti ammo

I get tired of that statement. Like every gun incident is somehow owned by gun owners. Why don't we see this posted every time there is a robbery or drive-by shooting?

I think that the OP was trying to make the point that this particular incident could be presented in an especially bad light (as opposed to regular criminal violence like drive-bys and such) because the people were claiming self-defense in a case where is was not warranted. Self-defense is, after all, what a lot of people own firearms for, and a major reason why they feel they should be able to bear arms. If someone acts irresponsibly while claiming self-defense, I think it does give a bad name to people who want to defend themselves responsibly.

The other side of that, though, is this - what can we possibly do about it? Not saying they were, but if these folks were high as a kite on meth and decided to go shoot some "trespassers," what does that have to do with other firearms owners nationwide? Hopefully, not much. But, if we don't respond to that sort of thing by saying, "THAT is bad, and good firearms owners don't do that," then we cede that territory to others who will say, "ALL people with firearms do that, and so they shouldn't be allowed to have firearms."