If Background Checks Are To Determine Eligibility, Why Do They Need…

[Gallstones]

http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=8882971&postcount=20

Thank you Carl, that was very informative.

 

[hso]

I had a Fed show up at my door questioning my purchase of a Mark X rifle that I bought. He told me a Federal judge was murdered with that particular rifle in my caliber and they were running down all leads. This occurred two days after the murder. I was amazed at the rapidity of their collecting all that info, assigning it to field agents and culminating with a knock at my door.

There's no central database with the info, if the murder was local they just did the police legwork to check local FFLs and ask them to check their "bound book" for who bought that type rifle. They took that information and then checked on the buyers. Simple investigative police work.

 

[2@low8]

Simple investigative police work.

At the time I was living in an area of 3 million people in a gun-friendly state with a very large number of gun stores. For the Feds to physically go to every one of them, individually sort through every bound book, assemble the data, assign it to an agent then proceed down the list would be a monumental task. The knock at my door awoke me in the late morning hours (my patrol shift began at 6 PM) ,so they only had approximately a day to get to me. Again, my amazement was at the rapidity of investigation ending up at my doorstep and not the complexity of the investigation.

A few years later I had an FFL and was visited by an agent looking for a particular firearm. They don't ask you to look up anything; they do it themselves (as I would to assure accuracy), so I wouldn't expect a phone call from the Feds asking for your assistance to save them some time

 

[offcenter]

Remember the new phrase is record keeping not registration.

 

[Old Fuff]

Toward the end of a NICS check the operator gives a number to the dealer who must enter it on the 4473 form. I've been told the purpose is to show that the dealer did indeed make the check.

But if the number is a random one, what is supposed to stop the dealer from putting down his own number? Especially if the results are destroyed after 48 hours? My Daddy would have kicked my butt if I told him I believed any of this.

Meanwhile we are being told that they're is no connection between the background check and 4473 form.

 

[newfalguy101]

Toward the end of a NICS check the operator gives a number to the dealer who must enter it on the 4473 form. I've been told the purpose is to show that the dealer did indeed make the check.

But if the number is a random one, what is supposed to stop the dealer from putting down his own number? Especially if the results are destroyed after 48 hours? My Daddy would have kicked my butt if I told him I believed any of this.

Meanwhile we are being told that they're is no connection between the background check and 4473 form.

Keep in mind there are three possible NICS results.

Proceed

Denied

Delayed

The transaction number is needed in the event of a delay or denial.

On a delay, I wait and call in again, at which point I give the transaction number to the operator, who gives me the current disposition which will be either, Proceed, denied, or still in delay.

NICS DOES keep the trans numbers, its the INFO accociated with those numbers that is deleted upon final disposition

 

[Old Fuff]

NICS DOES keep the trans numbers, its the INFO associated with those numbers that is deleted upon final disposition

Supposedly...

 

[dogtown tom]

Old Fuff.....But if the number is a random one, what is supposed to stop the dealer from putting down his own number? Especially if the results are destroyed after 48 hours?

Your first assumption is wrong......it's not a random number but a sequential one.
Second, NICS transactions that result in a "proceed" are deleted at the end of the FBI NICS business day, not 48 hours. If the transaction is a "delay" it is held until the transaction gets a proceed. If the transaction result is a "deny" it is stored permanently.

What stops a dealer from inventing his own NTN?........loss of FFL, fines and imprisonment for starters.