Charles S
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Try actually shooting at night and not just posting on the internet.
One can still see the sights after the first shot or the 16th.
A night shooting class will really enlighten you as to what works at night and what does not.
If getting a Glock with Night Sights are Factory or Aftermarket installed better?
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Try actually shooting at night and not just posting on the internet.
One can still see the sights after the first shot or the 16th.
A night shooting class will really enlighten you as to what works at night and what does not.
Night sights
I've taken a few night/low light specific classes and all 3 of my carry pistols have them. I have also taken multiple tactical pistol classes aside from the night specific classes and they all had a nightshoot portion of instruction.
I happen to like Heinie Straight Eight Slant pros on my Glock32. The 2 dot system is my preference, however, my Kahr P9 Covert BUG has factory Trijicons and I can hit at night pretty well with these also.
I had Richard Heinie modify my front sight to include a white circle painted around the tritium insert. For any shooting against a dark background, it brings the front sight into focus more quickly (for me) and also helps when dusk shooting doesn't quite allow seeing the glow of the tritium. As dusk turns to low light, the tritium starts to show up and 40yd popper shots in darkness aren't too hard.
As my eyes have aged, I had a set of Big dot 24/7 tritium sights installed on my Glock23. Once again, this is a 2 dot system and easier for me to use.
There are many options available. The Trijicons are brighter than the Heinies or BigDots. THey do not screw up your ability to shoot at night.
I guess it's all in what you want and need.
It is my opinion that night sight are a necessity for low light shooting. If you are a point and shooter, it probably doesn't matter what's on the pistol.
Most people get absolutely no professional training because they don't need it.
I have taken a bit and need a lot more but that's just me.
Your mileage may vary.
27hand
I've taken a few night/low light specific classes and all 3 of my carry pistols have them. I have also taken multiple tactical pistol classes aside from the night specific classes and they all had a nightshoot portion of instruction.
I happen to like Heinie Straight Eight Slant pros on my Glock32. The 2 dot system is my preference, however, my Kahr P9 Covert BUG has factory Trijicons and I can hit at night pretty well with these also.
I had Richard Heinie modify my front sight to include a white circle painted around the tritium insert. For any shooting against a dark background, it brings the front sight into focus more quickly (for me) and also helps when dusk shooting doesn't quite allow seeing the glow of the tritium. As dusk turns to low light, the tritium starts to show up and 40yd popper shots in darkness aren't too hard.
As my eyes have aged, I had a set of Big dot 24/7 tritium sights installed on my Glock23. Once again, this is a 2 dot system and easier for me to use.
There are many options available. The Trijicons are brighter than the Heinies or BigDots. THey do not screw up your ability to shoot at night.
I guess it's all in what you want and need.
It is my opinion that night sight are a necessity for low light shooting. If you are a point and shooter, it probably doesn't matter what's on the pistol.
Most people get absolutely no professional training because they don't need it.
I have taken a bit and need a lot more but that's just me.
Your mileage may vary.
27hand
Charles S
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Ah.... Wisdom - knowledge plus experience. Great post.
Night sights
Charles, I don't get over here much as you can see from my post count.
Most shooters I have encountered (friends too)will not spend the money to get professional training and will still tell me I'm doing it wrong.
27hand
Charles, I don't get over here much as you can see from my post count.
Most shooters I have encountered (friends too)will not spend the money to get professional training and will still tell me I'm doing it wrong.
27hand
Charles S
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27hand. I find most gun owners feel they are experts at the point of purchase. Very few seek training to be proficient in self defense and the use of a handgun. I guess it is not masculine, or is a sign of weakness, to seek training.
I not only needed the courses I have taken, I feel I need much more. Beyond the fact that I learned and became more proficient with a handgun...every course I have shot has been a lot of fun. One of the night courses I shot was one of the most fun times of my life.
I really do appreciate your input. This really is a great forum and I do learn a lot here.
I not only needed the courses I have taken, I feel I need much more. Beyond the fact that I learned and became more proficient with a handgun...every course I have shot has been a lot of fun. One of the night courses I shot was one of the most fun times of my life.
I really do appreciate your input. This really is a great forum and I do learn a lot here.
REAPER4206969
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BigDots use Trijicon lamps.
trijicon
Reaper, can you tell me where i can find this info?
The only reason I'm asking is that side by side, the Trijicon tritium on my Kahr is brighter than the tritium module on my Big Dot and look to be a different size. Big dots aren't as old as the Kahr sights.
XS website references tritium but doesn't state they are Trijicon.
Appreciate the input.
27hand
Reaper, can you tell me where i can find this info?
The only reason I'm asking is that side by side, the Trijicon tritium on my Kahr is brighter than the tritium module on my Big Dot and look to be a different size. Big dots aren't as old as the Kahr sights.
XS website references tritium but doesn't state they are Trijicon.
Appreciate the input.
27hand
I have never had that experience when shooting with night sights at night time. I have had the experience of being able to see a target but not see plain black sights. From shooting and training at night I have come to believe night sights are the thing to have for a carry gun.
I think some of these critiques are untested theories of those who posted them.
REAPER4206969
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http://www.xssights.com/store/handgun.html
It should have "Trijicon" in white letters on the sights as well.
REAPER4206969
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Charles S
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I for one will be more than happy to call BS! Gooks (as you say) did not have 9mms. At least not 9X19.
That might be true if you do not train to use your pistol and more specifically its sights. If you train properly you will be able acquire the requisite sight picture, which is how you get rounds on target.
BTW using racial slurs is very very far from anything even approaching highroad. I find it rather offensive. I suggest you edit your post, not because I find it offensive, but because if violates the forums rules.
How did we ever get across the ocean before the made jets? That speaks nothing to the fact that a jet is a much better way to do the same thing.
Reaper, Thanks. OK, along with getting that bit of knowledge from you I discovered a few things about my night sights.
The "big dot" I was gifted is actually NOT an XS sight but a TriLux H3. (A magnifying glass comes in handy for 60 YO eyes). I did buy a XS rear sight 2 years ago which has a bad lamp ( I will try to find the receipt and see if they can relamp it or if I need to just replace it).
I also found out that Heinies also have Trijicon lamps and has the white lettering you described to indicate that.
I did a near total darkness check on the brightness levels and they all had different brightness levels.
27hand
I'm not sure who the Nam vet was who posted his opinion about night sights. He's right in that we didn't have them over there but wrong in my opinion as to the need. I was AF so don't have any combat experience other than running for a bunker when rockets hit us and firing a few hundred rounds out of our M16's to verify we could lock and load. I did work on the weapons release systems for F4's and hopefully it helped a few of our combat vets out.
Did we win that war? I left in 72 and the NVA was working their way south.
I'm still trying to figure out how to quote a post on this site. I see the quick reply box but not the Quote or multiquote boxes. Perhaps I need to have a certain # of posts till that can happen.
The "big dot" I was gifted is actually NOT an XS sight but a TriLux H3. (A magnifying glass comes in handy for 60 YO eyes). I did buy a XS rear sight 2 years ago which has a bad lamp ( I will try to find the receipt and see if they can relamp it or if I need to just replace it).
I also found out that Heinies also have Trijicon lamps and has the white lettering you described to indicate that.
I did a near total darkness check on the brightness levels and they all had different brightness levels.
27hand
I'm not sure who the Nam vet was who posted his opinion about night sights. He's right in that we didn't have them over there but wrong in my opinion as to the need. I was AF so don't have any combat experience other than running for a bunker when rockets hit us and firing a few hundred rounds out of our M16's to verify we could lock and load. I did work on the weapons release systems for F4's and hopefully it helped a few of our combat vets out.
Did we win that war? I left in 72 and the NVA was working their way south.
I'm still trying to figure out how to quote a post on this site. I see the quick reply box but not the Quote or multiquote boxes. Perhaps I need to have a certain # of posts till that can happen.
Look at the little tool bar above the text box you type in and the icon on the far right allows you to quote. It is the one that says "wrap quote tags" if you hover the cursor over it. Click on it and the cut and paste the text you want to quote into the middle of the bracketed words quote.
Sir Aardvark
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I put XS 24/7 "Big Dot" sights on my G30 that I use forr CCW - I couldn't be happier!
REAPER4206969
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Just call XS and they will replace it.
rbrtweber85
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Go with the aftermarket sights instead of the glock factory night sights. It will make a difference years down the road when you replace them. This is because the front factory night sight is pressed on into the slide, where the after market one uses a hex screw.
On the illumination aspect, they're both close enough to the same the difference won't really matter.
On the illumination aspect, they're both close enough to the same the difference won't really matter.
silversport
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...not if you get factory installed Trijicons...they are screwed in as well...can't speak for the other two brands they offer...
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