If I were to accept employment in another state

[steelerdude99]

I may be faced w/ a dilemma. If I were to accept employment in a state that much more restrictive on firearms, what are my options? Case in point, California. As California only allows 'approved firearms' for sale, does that restrict my ownership IF I should move there? Would I need to prove I owned a firearm prior to moving there? If so, show my FFL transfer paperwork? In my state, it’s perfectly legal to buy or sell person to person without an FFL. So there is no FFL paper trail. Would I be setting myself up for harassment and/or prosecution for not having FFL paperwork?

Chuck

PS: I know the true High Road folks would say, ‘Just don’t move there, problem solved’.

 

[M-Cameron]

I may be faced w/ a dilemma. If I were to accept employment in a state that much more restrictive on firearms, what are my options? Case in point, California. As California only allows 'approved firearms' for sale, does that restrict my ownership IF I should move there? Would I need to prove I owned a firearm prior to moving there? If so, show my FFL transfer paperwork? In my state, it’s perfectly legal to buy or sell person to person without an FFL. So there is no FFL paper trail. Would I be setting myself up for harassment and/or prosecution for not having FFL paperwork?

its just that....approved....FOR SALE.......

it says nothing about approved for OWNERSHIP....

it just means an FFL cant sell or transfer those guns......but if you have them....you can keep them....barring the assault weapons ban.

 

[Superpsy]

I believe you would have to get rid of the firearms in your collection that aren't allowed there by law. If you're moving to a state that requires something silly (e.g. a license for handgun ownership or FOID card) then you may have to move to that state without your guns, go through their process and then have the guns shipped to you via an FFL.

This "dilemma" is a major reason why I will never move to states like California, Connecticut, Delaware, Massachusetts OR move back to New York. I'll look for employment elsewhere thank you very much.

 

[Sam1911]

The answer varies from state to state. A few states do have lists of firearms that you can't own there. Some have lists of firearms or features on firearms that you can't buy there. Some have firearms owner registration paperwork you must submit once you've moved there. Some have firearms owner registration paperwork you must submit BEFORE you bring your guns there but AFTER you move there ... which is a hassle, indeed.

Then you have the hassle of learning your new state's laws regarding where (or even if) you may carry your guns, how you have to store them, where you can shoot them, how you may transport them, and so forth.

Until you actually have a specific state in mind, it is difficult to give concrete answers. Once you do, we can point you to the relevant laws (and associations or individuals to help you interpret them) of that state to help you sort it out.

 

[NavyLCDR]

You can own guns not on the approved for sale list in California. You cannot, however, possess any >10 round magazines. When you move to California, you will fill out a form to register your handguns in Califonia as a personal handgun importer.

 

[Twiki357]

California has a very short time frame for registering handguns brought into the state, I think 10 days. And CA also requires registration of certain rifles as "Assault weapons".

One of the reasons I now like in AZ.

 

[isc]

They couldn't pay me enough to move to California.

 

[ArmedLiberal]

There are worse states than California, but not many.

No one cares about the FFL paperwork from your original purchase. You don't need any. There is no proof of ownership paperwork. There is no "Registration" in CA except for "Registered Assault Weapons." You are not permitted to bring any "Assault Weapons" into the state so you won't be registering any.

Assault Weapons are defined by features or by those listed in the original law when it was passed. See the Assault Weapons flow chart below.

Handguns imported by those moving into the state need to be reported (http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/ab991frm.pdf) within 60 days but they don't have to be on the approved list.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/index.php

http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/Main_Page

http://calnra.com/cgi-bin/flowchart.cgi

http://www.calguns.net/caawid/hgflowchart.pdf


There is a List of Handguns approved for sale but it only applies to handguns sold by dealers, not to possession or bringing into the state. As long as a gun is not an "Assault Weapon" private sales of non-approved handguns are permitted. Private (Person to Person Transfers) sales have to be done with the assistance of an FFL and a 10 day waiting period. C&R long guns (older than 50 years) can be sold without the need of FFL or waiting period.

You must have a HSC, Handgun Safety Certificate to buy a handgun but it's a 6th grade level test, (be embarrassed if you fail!) but you can take it over until you pass. $25 at any FFL dealer for the test and it's good for 5 years.

There is no Approved List of long guns, they just can't have "evil" features.

You can't have magazines of greater than 10 round capacity unless you owned them before 2000 and have been living in CA since then. Can't bring them with you when you move here.


CA DOJ Bureau of Firearms FAQ

http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/pubfaqs.php

26. I am moving into California and I own several handguns. What are the new-resident registration requirements?

You are considered to be a personal handgun importer as defined by California law. You may bring all of your otherwise California-legal firearms with you, but you must report all of your handguns to the DOJ within 60 days as required utilizing the New Resident Handgun Ownership Report. You are not required to report rifles or shotguns. You may not bring ammunition feeding devices with a capacity greater than ten rounds, machineguns, or assault weapons into California.

(PC sections 12001(n), 12072(f)(2))


27. How do I know if my firearms need to be registered?

There is no firearm registration requirement in California except for assault weapon owners and personal handgun importers. However, you may submit a Firearm Ownership Record to the DOJ for any firearm you own. Having a Firearm Ownership Record on file with the DOJ may help in the return of your firearm if it is lost or stolen. With very few and specific exceptions, all firearm transactions must be conducted through a firearms dealer.​

CalGuns.net is a great resource for learning about CA gun law.

 

[deadin]

.....There is a List of Handguns approved for sale but it only applies to handguns sold by dealers, not to possession or bringing into the state........

private sales of non-approved handguns are permitted.

Private (Person to Person Transfers) sales have to be done with the assistance of an FFL

Am I to understand that you can get a FFL to enter a "non-approved" handgun into his book and then transfer it out of the his book to a new owner???? The current BATFE approved record format doesn't have anyplace to record this type of transaction.

 

[Frank Ettin]

Am I to understand that you can get a FFL to enter a "non-approved" handgun into his book and then transfer it out of the his book to a new owner???? The current BATFE approved record format doesn't have anyplace to record this type of transaction.

I'm not sure of the details, but --

[1] I have in fact purchased several off-roster handgun from other California residents, and those transfers were conducted through an FFL here, who apparently knew how to properly document the transaction.

[2] I also know that an FFL here would not be able to do a transfer to a California resident of an off-roster handgun coming from a private party (or dealer) in another State (other than an Intra-Familial transfer, i. e., between a parent/grandparent and a child/grand child).

 

[ArmedLiberal]

No, PPT (Private Party Transfers) are not part of the FFL inventory. They do not have to be on the Approved Handgun List. They are just held by the FFL for the 10 day waiting period pending State DOJ approval.

Handguns from the FFLs stock Do have to be on the "Not Unsafe List of Handguns" aka The Roster, aka the Approved List, aka Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale.

Handguns purchased from someone in another state are can only be transfered through an FFL and Do have to be on the Approved Handgun List (other than an Intra-Familial transfer, i. e., between a parent/grandparent and a child/grand child and also handguns passed on as an inheritance).

 

[deadin]

No, PPT (Private Party Transfers) are not part of the FFL inventory. They do not have to be on the Approved Handgun List. They are just held by the FFL for the 10 day waiting period pending State DOJ approval.

Apparently CA DOJ must use a different form for dealers inventory.

 

[Colonel]

California = 10% income tax

I hope they're paying you well!